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is arr unfair to spb?

Topic started by fan (@ 202.9.182.14) on Sat Jun 9 08:07:27 EDT 2001.
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arr did not use spb in jeans,bombay,kandu kondein kandu kondein,rhythm,alaipayuthe.

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• From: Sandiren (@ 158.143.139.27) on: Sat Jun 9 08:36:44 EDT 2001
  
  But he did use spb almost exclusively in Duet, one of his best albums to date...so can't see how he is unfair.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.99) on: Sun Jun 10 12:57:46 EDT 2001
  
  what about Roja??
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sun Jun 10 13:23:29 EDT 2001
  
  Even in STAR spb has sung two songs. In thenali he has sung one of the best of ARR.
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.147.195) on: Mon Jun 11 06:34:21 EDT 2001
  
  in the intial stages of his carrer, he used mainly spb . might be to get a permanent foothold in the tfm.after that several songs that should have naturally gone to spb, others very much below spb's std. were used.apart from the given list, even in uyire, spb was not there.also he gave just one song to the living legend in the recent movies. to cap it all , he was just given two songs to sing infront of a huge gathereing in usa that was just relayed in dd metro belittling the thespian.this can only happen in tamil film music.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.173) on: Mon Jun 11 09:28:36 EDT 2001
  
  besides this - if a certain MD gives preference to a certain singer (and not to another), it does not mean unfairness. ARR is a talented MD and is definitely entitled to his opinions. For that matter recorded no song for LRE and only 148 songs with PS (and 900 with SJ), although IMO PS is miles above SJ. Anyway.......
  
  I hope this is not another move to bash up poor ARR!!
  
  
• From: nAn (@ 12.47.54.252) on: Mon Jun 11 16:09:31 EDT 2001
  
  is arr unfair to spb ?
  Yes, by giving him all those "melodies" to sing.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Mon Jun 11 17:06:57 EDT 2001
  
  LV: IMO PS is miles above SJ. Anyway.......
  I hope this is not another move to bash up poor ARR!! Of course NOT to bash up ARR! But about bashing SJ.....ummm. Have you started sharpening your knives for the next war?:-)
  
  
• From: arrfan (@ 203.200.15.20) on: Tue Jun 12 05:17:38 EDT 2001
  
  ARR is known for giving upcoming artistes a chance!This of course does not mean he's unfair to S.P.B.By missing out a few ARR songs,S.P.B is not going to lose out on anything-it'll be like tiny drops in his ocean of songs he has sung!
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.182.214) on: Thu Jun 14 12:03:08 EDT 2001
  
  whether arr uses spb or not, spb is not the looser.he has already several medals and awards to his credit(which I dont think any other singer in India ,perhaps in the world would have) and he is playing his second innings in his carrer.only arr loses as many of his goldies have gone waste by not using spb especially in the recent past.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Jun 16 21:09:51 EDT 2001
  
  olaral
  
  
• From: rohit (@ 66.68.12.80) on: Sun Jun 17 00:05:23 EDT 2001
  
  above three messages make sense. ARR is doing good thing to tamil music world introducing break to new singers. Few examples are Hariharan(from ghazal),Unnikrishnan(classical) .
  
  
  On the other, SPB is not dependent on ARR for anything.Avar ethainayo sathanaigal seithirukkirar.Avarukkunu oru thani market position ondu.
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.149.100) on: Sun Jun 17 00:38:11 EDT 2001
  
  it is unfortunate for the tamil film music that ghazal and classical singers are singing the film songs. film songs require a manly,glamorous and charismatic voice that is lacking in ghazal and classical singers.their songs become stale after some time. jeans,thenali,uyire are examples
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sun Jun 17 03:46:32 EDT 2001
  
  Fan:
  again another olaral.
  ivvalavu dhana, illa innum irukka.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sun Jun 17 04:45:49 EDT 2001
  
  fan..r u a music fan or what ?
  
  
• From: uma (@ 203.199.225.168) on: Sun Jun 17 07:35:31 EDT 2001
  
  i fully agree with fan. he is correct in saying that arr missed spb in several songs. even now roja and duet stands out and most of the other songs arr scored is now lost in memory. now anybody can sing any song and the music wiil take care. playback singerunra value lost. any xyz can sing and go. ghantasala,tms,pbs,rafi,kishore,spb kept the image of playback singers. now everything is lost
  
  
• From: fa (@ 202.9.147.45) on: Thu Jun 21 05:05:19 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician, i am as much a tamil music fan as much arr fan. but the fact is arr used spb only scarcely especially during the last three years. i do not recollect any songs of arr during the last three years except velli malare, swasame. when spb sings, the credit goes to him and then only the music director gets credit. being the top most music director, arr does not want his credit diluted
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.147.45) on: Thu Jun 21 05:05:28 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician, i am as much a tamil music fan as much arr fan. but the fact is arr used spb only scarcely especially during the last three years. i do not recollect any songs of arr during the last three years except velli malare, swasame. when spb sings, the credit goes to him and then only the music director gets credit. being the top most music director, arr does not want his credit diluted
  
  
• From: PD (@ 129.49.161.50) on: Fri Jun 22 01:31:11 EDT 2001
  
  Fan, u are right, When ever SPB has sung the great hit songs ( most of them are great) it is a general feeling, and I am sure many of us must have felt this way " who
  else could possibly have sung those songs better than SPB", and have thanked the MDs for appropriately using SPB for those kind of songs, and never ever have
  had felt saying " chey SPB kku badila vere yaaravadu paadiruntha inda paattu nalla irundukkumme" or " SPB has scr..ed this song so badly", the converse is also
  true, several times we have felt how nice if some songs were sung by SPB and some mediocre or even sometimes crappy singers. As Fan said, many of SPB hit songs always have had typical stamp of him, sometimes overshadowing the MDs efforts
  Prabhu Das
  
  
• From: (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Fri Jun 22 05:24:02 EDT 2001
  
  U mean 'PS WAS miles above SJ' - She cannot sing anymore, Sj is also struggling, TMS is egoistic and has lost his abilities too. Vani Jeyram is the only 'old' singer from TFM who has retained her voice and style, that too not singing in FM anymore, but doing devotional songs....
  
  
• From: (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Fri Jun 22 05:32:52 EDT 2001
  
  But, I digress.
  
  SPB is now making way for his son, CHARAN, who is actually a very talented singer. In the 'Netru Indru Naalai' show, he 'kallakufied' the audience by singing SPB's old songs. Also, SPB has been struggling with his health, hence, he doesn't give many dats these days.
  
  As for ARR, if you've seen his concerts, SPB is always given 'MUDHAL MARIDHAI', by him singing 'Oruvan Oruvan' as the starting song! He has also sung 2 lovely numbers in S*T*A*R, the georgous SWAASAME in Thenali Tamil version.
  
  In fact, this is the list of Tehnali in Telugu:
  
  Pranamey (S.P.Balasubramaniam, Chitra) Lyrics: Vennelakanti
  
  Evvayoy Evvayoy (S.P.Balasubramaniam, Chitra) Lyrics: Samavedam
  
  Ikkada Tadite Hastini (S.P.Balasubramaniam, S.P.Sailaja) Lyrics: Bhuvanachandra
  
  Poredabatai (S.P.B.Charan, S.P.B.Pallavi) Lyrics: Veturi Sundararamamurthy
  
  Taalalato Vaana (S.P.Balasubramaniam, S.P.B.Pallavi,Parathasarathi, Baby Silono
  
  Only 1 song with him not singing, and that too sung by his children....
  
  Do you really think that ARR is being un-fair to SPB?
  
  Have you thought of the fact that SPB want's to give more to his Telugu people, hence doing more songs for Telugu films?
  
  
• From: Krk (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Fri Jun 22 07:14:58 EDT 2001
  
  Have you thought of the fact that SPB want's to give more to his Telugu people, hence doing more songs
  for Telugu films?
  
  "SPB unfair to TFM", title for the next thread is ready :-)
  
  
• From: (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Fri Jun 22 07:25:16 EDT 2001
  
  Krk:
  
  That was not a comment for another blasphemous thread on this Forum.... It is simply a stating of facts. Please don't mis-understand me.
  
  I was just making a point of why he is not doing that many TFM numbers these days.... He's a generous man, allowing for others to also get a chance to shine.
  
  
• From: (@ 213.11.117.254) on: Fri Jun 22 07:26:23 EDT 2001
  
  Krk:
  
  That was not a comment for another blasphemous thread on this Forum.... It is simply a stating of facts. Please don't mis-understand me.
  
  I was just making a point of why he is not doing that many TFM numbers these days.... He's a generous man, allowing for others to also get a chance to shine.
  
  It's not just with ARR, but SPB is singing less and less in general. It is the same with singers like KJJ. They do the odd song here and there, but not dominate the industry as they did years ago.
  
  
• From: Shruti (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Fri Jun 22 09:06:52 EDT 2001
  
  It has a lot to do with the current style -Rhythmic.
  Rythm takes the center stage and MDs probably have lot of options for singers (rather not much is required from them).
  Think of it .. does a song like "muqabla-2" require special singers
  I am not saying its good or bad, just saying that the style is different today.
  
  With IR,MSV (and digression- old HFM MDs) song/Ragam is the soul with music aiding it.
  (Off course IR gives the musical arrangement as only HE can, but it is built around the song).
  And to do justice to such songs u require skilled singers and MDs stick with particular singers that they
  think can do justice.
  (A digression again - LP were affected by when Rafi,Kishore werent there and when Lata couldnt sing like before).
  
  With most rythmic songs u would hardly be discussing the singer, as only the rythm remains in mind.
  
  But even amidst rythmic numbers, for special songs like "Azagana Rakhshasiye" / "Tanga taamary" / "Yenny kaanawillae"
  the MD becomes selective.
  
  -Shruti
  
  
• From: fan (@ 202.9.148.240) on: Fri Jun 22 11:23:32 EDT 2001
  
  it is the maestro who brought the best out of spb.hence spb should sing more tamil than telegu songs. maestro exclusively used spb for several films which were great hits.arr is doing a great mistake. thorugh piece meal distribution of his golden music among various singers, some of them sound awful,he loses identity with the films for which he has put music. many songs of his have become stale after few hearings. he shoul put a full stop to this.
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Fri Jun 22 11:30:51 EDT 2001
  
  I think the other way around. I feel SPB doesnt like to sing many songs of ARR or other MD's. With the type of confidence ARR has in his tunes, he thinks even if anybody sings it is OK. He need not depend on SPB to make his song hit. You can see this trend. Intial movies of ARR has more of SPB than now.
  
  SPB conducts a music contest Paadutaa teeyagaa in Telugu. One of the contestant sang a song from telugu version of Kaadal desam. After the song SPB made comments on the song that I dont know why ARR thinks unless you shout that loud your lover doesnt hear you or what? Even after getting award for singing thangattamarai in Minsara kanavu, he wasnt happy. He felt that was not worth for an award.
  
  After singing that many number of songs , he can be choosy now? he need not sing all crap songs( doesnt mean of ARR). He reduced the songs in all languages I guess not just in Tamil.
  
  

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