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why Seegazhi siva chidhambaram is not properly utilized by our MDs?

Topic started by haris (@ 206.103.12.125) on Thu Apr 16 02:44:46 EDT 1998.
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s'gazhi s'chidhambaram is a very good singer with a different range of voice. i think he is the best of our contemporary singers who can pronounce tamil words exactly how it should be. I wonder why our MDs are reluctant to use him.

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Responses:

• From: Gokul (@ 204.76.129.237) on: Thu Apr 16 03:13:04 EDT 1998
  
  Haris..
  
  Our MDs are infected by a very strange disease.
  Thats why. I hope they get cured soon!
  
  
• From: shyam (@ 192.147.35.56) on: Thu Apr 16 11:08:55 EDT 1998
  
  SC has a peculiar voice as his father SG "Venkala kural". antha kural saatharanama yellaroda voiceukum yedupadathu. SG kural kodutha padangalai paarthal kooda nalla therium. For example "Chakaravarthy thirumagan" athile MGR padra yella pattum SG thaan, MGR romba kastapattu vai asaicha mathiri irukum
  
  Even CSJ voicum appdi thaan. "Puthayal" ille vara vinnodum mugilodum pattai parrunga, athilE Sivaji romba romba kastapattu varuununnE thalaiyai meele thooki antha high pitch voiceuku eedu kuduthirupaaru.
  
  So, ivaroda voice yeepa use pannuvanganna
  "Neeruku neer"illa vara "aval varula" interlude illa varaa gana voiceuku use pannuvanga. athu saakul hameed pannerundaaru.
  
  SC yoda voiceai "Kozi koovum neeramachi" pattule correctaa use pannerunthaanga.
  
  uchaaripu suthamnu solli irukeenga, ippalellam antha mathiri pattu vararathE romba rare.
  
  soft voiceai thaan pala peer virumburaanga. Hariharan, unni yella famous aagurathu athu thaan kaaranam.
  
  
• From: pal (@ x101-145-87.unreg.umn.edu) on: Thu Apr 16 14:45:28 EDT 1998
  
  Although, I dont feel SC's voice will suit many actors these days... It is true he has a good voice and a clear pronounciation. But the IRONY in today's TFM si this:
  
  In Indira, when ARR ( the trend setter !!!! ) was looking for 'different' voice... he approached SC. SC paadi kaaNbithArAm. ARR took him immediately and got the song recorded. The song was 'ottakARa'. The sad part was SC had terrific cold and really bad throat at that time!!!
  
  
• From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Fri Apr 17 00:41:49 EDT 1998
  
  a very interesting question and subject. SC is singing like his father and has not established an identity of his own. we do not have subjects solid as yesteryears and actors like Sivaji or SSR who can justify this kural.
  
  i have heard SC in light music concerts and he is really good but he should get out of his father's mould if he wants to make his own niche. note that prabhu established his own identity to suit the needs of the industry.
  
  i wish SC all success
  
  
• From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Fri Apr 17 09:12:56 EDT 1998
  
  I too accept the fact that ,
  1. there are no actors for whom SC could sing
  2. people love more of soft voices.
  But andha range-la ulla kuralgal ubagoga paduthappadavillai enru kooruvadharkku illai. IR has used 'NAgoor' Haneefa very efficiently in appropriate ( not inappropriate) situations,e.g chembaruthi, rAman abdulla etc. another singer near to that range was shahul hameed. The first song SC sang in tf is in 'mrudhanga chakkravarthi' song: abhinaya sundari Aduginral. maragadhamani brilliantly used SCs voice in Azhagan.(enna oru choice ! greatpa).
  What i am trying to say is, such ranges are a real challenge for the MDs and MDs should use such ranges in their films (not necessarily SC - the range, the pitch). andha madhiri range-kku tune poduvadhe oru challenge thAn.
  Mano kooda pala pAdalgal (recenta) very high pitchla thAne padiyirukkirar? (edhukku kurala mathi kashtappadanum? andha range ullavangalaye use panniyirukkalame?)
  Oru murai 'Devan koil maniyosai' S'chidhambaram pAdakketten pullarichippochu.
  
  
• From: nithin (@ ) on: Fri Jan 19 22:18:31 EST 2001
  
  Seerkazhis songs are always Seerkhazhi songs only, be it film, devotional or classical. They are not defined as MGR , Sivaji or Gemini songs as done for TMS , AM Raja or others. Such unique tamil voice with a natural identity. Sivasidambaram follows it and when the right time approaches (very soon) he too will make such songs with a unique identity. Not all MDs can compose matching songs. The fact of voice matching the stars is vehemently opposed even by SPB in his TV interview. It was once upon a time cheating strategy by TMS for a greedy grab of songs in films. What is happening now in Tamil films - look at the variety of voices!
  
  A Diamond like Seerkazhi and Sivasidambaram (who has his own base voice identity also) cannot be owned by everyone. Only people who know the value (GNANAM - Does any one in present MD have it now?), can truly understand.
  
  Sivasidambaram, his devotional songs, his classical concerts and the new film songs like Manu neethi, Indra, Jodi etc. have definitely made a succesful praisable prestigious mark for a Practising doctor, even more than the pure professionals. May Lady luck be with SivaSidambaram for tfm.
  
  
• From: NChari (@ 203.199.236.198) on: Tue Jan 23 15:01:19 EST 2001
  
  Dont you Know? Here are a few facts:
  1. He is a Tamilian from Tamilnadu. This doctor musician has a high placed dignity and mass regards to maintain. He dare not indulge in 'Aatha athorama, Changu chakku, or Dolaki dol'.
  2. He sings in a 'Vengala kural' with a clear pronunciation and diction apart from the current trend of singing tamil songs like anglo-indian tamil.
  3. He is a self-respecting son of a non-compromising self-respecting father, not seeking any jalras to get oppurtunity in films.
  4. Music directors of the current field (including IR) did not have the guts to compose songs for their range (!inadequacy / incompetency)
  5. 'Puli pasithalum pullai thinnaathu, Yaanai Paduathalum kudhirai mattam' are all tamil proverbs for which the Seerkhazhis are matching. They are made for their songs and create their identity in whatever song they sing.
  6.He is well placed and established in the hearts of the millions all over the world as Classical Vidwans and Devotional exponents, especially popular with crowd pulling masses. The chota short-lived cinema songs are nothing in front of his classical or devotional music!
  
  
• From: Govinda (@ 206.49.110.156) on: Wed Jan 24 01:36:42 EST 2001
  
  Chari,
  
  Then why did he sing for ARR in Jodi (Anjathe Jeeva)? Where do you find his individuality and professionalism in this song?
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ 203.197.137.124) on: Wed Jan 24 08:31:20 EST 2001
  
  Govinda-
  
  Plain and simple. He has to prove his credibility only with the chances given to him. I dont think he is such a fussy guy. His song in Manuneethi tuned by Deva is good. His voice matches with the female voice Anuradha sriram as with swarnalatha in Jodi.
  
  He is a nice guy on stage and sings all his film songs including Jeeva etc with his carnatic music orchestra.
  
  His film numbers may be less, but compared to other musicians sons, He is the Best and cannot be underestimated.
  
  
• From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.30) on: Wed Jan 24 11:26:00 EST 2001
  
  Haris
  
  "s'gazhi s'chidhambaram is the best of our contemporary singers who can pronounce tamil words exactly how it should be. I wonder why our MDs are reluctant to use him"
  
  That is because they are not composing Tamil songs any more.
  
  BTW, how can the 'vengalak kural', 'ganeerk kural' of the seekaazhi's be compared to Shahul Hameed? I can understand Naagoor Haniffa. But Shahul Hameed.......
  
  
• From: Chandrakanth (@ 203.197.137.172) on: Wed Jan 24 11:52:52 EST 2001
  
  It is the fate of TFM that good singers get fewer songs. Probably that is why we call them good!
  KBSundarambal never had the major number as LR Eswari. Thats GnanaPazham versus Elantha Pazham.
  
  Sirkazhi Govindarajan had the maximum best songs(even if it was a philosophical song) with a lesser number compared to TMS. Thats Classicism versus Oppurtunism(he was good too).
  
  MS subbulakshmi had lesser songs in films and NC Vasanthakokilam moreless than MSS.
  
  Vidwans like GNB, Chembai etc had one or two only.
  MKT had a go with his hits amongs these vidwans and so was PUChinappa.
  
  It is comforting to see that Dr.Sivasidambaram is taking up Playback singing with dedication to enthrall the tfm audience with his rich voice. When there is good voice, there will not be noise and the lyrics will improve to the scope considering the clarity. So overall quality will improve and tfm will get to do something really worthwhile to the next generations with the latest technical advancements in music.
  
  
• From: NChari (@ 203.197.137.172) on: Wed Jan 24 12:04:35 EST 2001
  
  Govinda
  
  Please note professionalism and individuality comes only after a singer gets enough chances to establish.
  
  Remember TMS was MKT Bhagavathars copy, TRMahalingam was SGKitappas copy, SPB followed Kishore, Jesudas followed Rafi, Ilayarajah followed MSV and GK Venkatesh. It takes its own time to establish their style. But comparatively, among the sons of the musicians he has shown a difference in his film songs according to the taste of the MD. It will happen, dont worry and that is the order of the day!
  
  Modalla Tamilanukku Tamil Padathula Paada Edam koduppom, Piraku thiramayai Parpom! Avula nenechu urala idikkalama?
  
  
• From: VVN (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Wed Jan 24 12:23:55 EST 2001
  
  SPB followed Kishore -- got to be kidding Mr.Chari. SPB likes Rafi way of singing, Spb has mentioned this in many shows.
  
  Basically the voice has to fit the scene,the artist and story line etc....
  
  I am still cribbing for using Sirkazi for KadAlika neramillai, agreed muthuraman is in old man role, but still totally a non-romantic voice., I have nothing againt "Vengala" kuralon, he shines so well in Devan kovil maniosai kind of songs.
  
  "Modalla Tamilanukku Tamil Padathula Paada Edam koduppom" ,
  
  I dont think so, voice is important, then comes pronounciation , I say this because as time goes pronounciation can be improved. Basically artists have to work hard for it.
  Like Spb learnt tamil so well, MSV was little bit netpicky about SPB's tamil when he came to him for the first time.
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Wed Jan 24 12:40:32 EST 2001
  
  SPB did take a few hints from Kishore Kumar too. Yodelling, in which kishore was an expert, seems to be an easy arena for SPB.
  
  
• From: Ebbie (@ 203.199.236.19) on: Thu Jan 25 11:06:37 EST 2001
  
  VVN-
  Please refer to the "Romantic Film hits of Seerkazhi Govindarajan". He has done it well too.
  MS posts a data, which I hope corrects your opinion.
  This forum which discusses about his son Dr.Sivasidambaram, should never forget that he has a base in his voice which suits the current trends including romance. He can blend his voice for the song nature as I listen from his Jodi and Manuneethi songs.
  Falsetto singing has become the order of the day and the present day rat-squeeky singing voice of the music directors cannot be expected.
  A song from Sivasidambram with a difference, a sensible lyric, rendered with expression and clear tonality will surely come in the near future, when that will be the order of the day!
  I listened to his Ayyappan devotional songs with a difference in www.Ayyappa-ldc.com and was thrilled. What an expression and modulation!
  
  
• From: Rnt (@ 203.199.236.37) on: Fri Jan 26 03:25:31 EST 2001
  
  A great singer who needs to be encouraged in films.Do you know? I have heard him sing in English, French, Creole, Doich, Espaniole, Sinhalese etc., in a special recording of his concert from Srilanka broadcasting corporation.
  
  He should be given his due in all films in all languages.
  
  

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