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GREAT PRELUDES AND INTERLUDES

Topic started by peeps (@ 202.54.13.6) on Fri Nov 10 00:02:05 EST 2000.
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hi all,
Preludes and Interludes are pillars of any song..There are many songs which have great Preludes and Interdludes in TFM..
Hindi film songs when compared to tamil songs dont have good preludes and interludes..we have to be proud about that..
Can we discuss about such tamil songs which had exceptional preludes and interludes???

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Responses:

• From: peeps (@ 202.54.13.6) on: Fri Nov 10 00:30:25 EST 2000
  
  The songs which had excellent preludes and interludes are ethetho ennam valarthaen,naan thedum sevvanthi poovithu,inthamaan unthan sontha maan,pothivachha mallika mottu,thalatuthey vaanam thalladuthey megam,nila kaayum neram saranam.......it goes on..
  moreover adi rakkamma kaya thattu,konjam nilavu konjam neruppu and guruvayurappa guruvayurappa have very good starts..
  in ethetho ennam valarthaen raaja uses a good flute piece in the prelude and a classic guitar piece in the first interlude..
  The song poomalayee thool serava and thendral vanthu ennai thodum had one of the best starts(preludes) in tamil film music.......continue please
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ 192.135.244.69) on: Fri Nov 10 02:09:35 EST 2000
  
  Inji iduppazhaga from Dever magan,
  Rojavai thalattum thendram from Nineivellam Nithya,
  Rakkama kaiyathattu from Talapathy
  and so on.
  I am sure atlest 60 to 70% of IR songs has
  good interludes & preludes.
  
  
• From: prakash (@ 195.92.194.78) on: Fri Nov 10 06:47:26 EST 2000
  
  listen to prelude from-Unnai kaanum neram nenjam from unnai naan sandhithen-mind boggling!
  
  
• From: AHMED ALI (@ 203.197.135.246) on: Fri Nov 10 07:43:58 EST 2000
  
  a.ahmed
  How about Ottagathai Kattiko...GENTLEMAN.....
  
  
• From: a.a (@ 203.197.134.216) on: Fri Nov 10 10:27:22 EST 2000
  
  Also Kannukku Mai Alazhu....Kannum kannum KollaiAdithal...Chinna chinna aasai...More than any one the lyricist is also to be complemented for good Ps and Ts....Many of ARR songs in Hindi version also maintained the same effects...NO wonder ARR rules the filmdom MUSIC....a.a
  
  
• From: a.a (@ 203.197.134.216) on: Fri Nov 10 10:29:49 EST 2000
  
  correction....Ps and Is
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Fri Nov 10 13:00:04 EST 2000
  
  How about 'Naan Thedum Sevendi Poovithu...' and 'Oru Kanam Oru Yugamaaga...'
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Fri Nov 10 13:09:14 EST 2000
  
  Paruvame pudiya paadal paadu...
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Fri Nov 10 13:09:51 EST 2000
  
  
  I want to know if "Interlude" is always supposed to have a seamless or smooth transition between "Pallavi" and "Charanam".Is it Ok if it deviates from the pallavi as long as it can catch up with the "Charanam" just before it starts?
  
  Could someone enlighten me?
  
  
• From: hari (@ 129.116.226.162) on: Fri Nov 10 13:32:24 EST 2000
  
  Trend, well I dont see any hard and fast rules like this. I mean , what do u mean "Is it ok?" Of course, its ok. its just a question of listener's taste.
  
  Personally, i really like it if there is a seamless transition. In most of Raaja songs, there is a seamless transition in 1st pallavi-1st Interlude-1st charanam... So that sets the mood and u get into the song. The he experiments in the 2nd interlude.. it might not be so seamless. (in fact, i think it was rjay who brought this to my notice) So the discontinuity here (late in the song) doesnt put me off.
  
  ARR, i think doesnt experiment in interludes as much as Raaja did (at least these days.. his earlier songs were much better..Thiruda Thiruda for instance) I really cant comment much on interludes in ARR songs, because they are not so striking and appealing to me.
  
  hari
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Nov 10 15:38:16 EST 2000
  
  Actually, interludes by the Maestro do not necessarily maintain the rhythm of the song. I think most of these kind of songs were done for the purpose of picturisation. But I have a feeling he enjoyed these opportunities because these gave him an excuse for trying out his WCM compositions. I find these kind of interludes very interesting. Song in TFM from the very old days maintained the rhythm and texture throughout the song for the most part. If I remember right, it was the Maestro who broke this practice. Now the current trend is to go back to this old practice. Things in life are very cyclical !!
  
  
• From: prakash (@ 62.7.87.116) on: Fri Nov 10 16:25:29 EST 2000
  
  one of the feeling I get when i listen to IR's songs,his interludes are like switching musical gears-the first interludes are something like first gear and introduces a theme which is developed in first stanza-then he swings into top gear and then song reaches a climax-the first interludes are a bit simple-then the music becomes really rich and complicated.best egs which come to my mind are andhi mazhai, madai thirandhu and recently keladaa from barathy.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Fri Nov 10 17:03:53 EST 2000
  
  Hari,
  
  In some of Deva's composition I found the tempo in his interludes going up and down which is not smooth at all.I was listening to "Alli alli anarkali" from "Arunachalam" the pallavi started catchy and then in the interlude it just goes up and down without any direction(I don't know how to exactly explain) and I felt tiring.
  
  In that song I thought you can introduce the charanam at any time and it wouldn't have a least bit of difference.
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Fri Nov 10 17:50:46 EST 2000
  
  Prakash
  Neenga noothukku nooru naan ninachathai sollitinga.
  
  
  
• From: RameshG (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Fri Nov 10 20:14:49 EST 2000
  
  Kiru
  
  what do you mean by 'interludes by the Maestro do not necessarily maintain the rhythm of the song'. Can you be more elaborate and probably gives us some examples?.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Nov 10 21:03:44 EST 2000
  
  RameshG,
  let me reword it - interludes do not necessarily use the same rhythm instruments (texture)as in the pallavi. (It is possible that the rhythm is maintained in the interludes. I am not that music savvy to comment on that).
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Nov 10 21:05:30 EST 2000
  
  While we are talking about rhythm, I think the Maestro has done many songs without any percussion instruments at all. So he can maintain rhythm with say, with violins for example.
  
  
• From: Layman (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Fri Nov 10 21:23:43 EST 2000
  
  Well said, Kiru. Rhythm is not just percussion. It is, with my limited ability to express in musical terms, like the cadence of a poem. IR's greatness is in highlighting the innate rhythm and not in just embellishing it with percussion instruments. All, of course, IMVHO.
  
  
• From: a.a (@ 203.197.135.242) on: Fri Nov 10 22:18:01 EST 2000
  
  Hi Peeps,
  The most recent song which has excellent PRELUDES & INTERLUDES is Deva's MEGUM KARUKKUDHU...from KUSHI... pLEASE LISTEN TO THIS SONG now...You will be floored with amazing Ps and Is....a.ahmed
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 202.54.13.6) on: Sat Nov 11 00:56:37 EST 2000
  
  i have a doubt..where MD's think about the interludes and preludes after composing the song(charanam,pallavi) or they will do it while composing the song itself..because in many IR songs in the prelude itself there will be a shade of the pallavi and charanams..forgive me if have asked anything silly...:-)
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 202.54.13.6) on: Sat Nov 11 01:17:00 EST 2000
  
  hi all,
  i have a doubt..will the MD's decide about the preludes and interludes after deciding about the pallavi and charanams or will they do it while composing the song itself??
  becoz i have seen the shade of the pallavi and the charanams in the prelude itself in many IR songs..forgive me if i have asked anyhitng silly..:-)
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 202.54.13.6) on: Sat Nov 11 01:21:16 EST 2000
  
  sorry for doble posting..:-)
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 202.54.13.6) on: Sat Nov 11 01:22:48 EST 2000
  
  sorry fot the spelling mistake..its double--not doble
  
  
• From: Ahmed Ali (@ 203.199.228.96) on: Sat Nov 11 06:46:08 EST 2000
  
  This is silly clarification only...All types of special songs are combined efforts of Director,MD,Lyricist where MD improves his original tune....Special Preludes and Interludes are creations of such combined efforts where MD's share is significant.....Another ARR song Odakkara Marimuthu....Film...INDIRA.....A.A
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.193) on: Sat Nov 11 07:05:45 EST 2000
  
  Posted many times in many threads:-)
  Three of the all-time-great preludes of TFM:
  EdhO mOham -kOzhi koovudhu
  poongathavE -nizhalgaL
  Germaniyin -ullAsappaRavaigaL
  IR rules...
  
  
• From: prakash (@ 193.113.185.132) on: Sat Nov 11 09:12:03 EST 2000
  
  especially poongadhave-it has been mentioned that bach has a great influence on IR-this is exemplified by the prelude of this song.
  
  
• From: hari (@ 129.116.226.162) on: Sat Nov 11 15:35:19 EST 2000
  
  And, April Mayilae from Idhayam... Its fantastic. Starts off on a soft trumpet sound (IR always uses trumpet for romantic city based situation) and builds up with the string section joining in, and a guitar arpeggio in the background.. and then the bass pongifies suddenly !!Its one of my favorites.
  
  Trend, I think in a lot of the recent songs (last 2 years) theres an emphasis on the "surprise element" which overrides the smooth transition. Of course we have no idea what the director wants, and what the MD's contribution is - be it IR,ARR, Deva etc.. all of them have resorted to this, thus compromising flow. Eg. Niram Piriththu in TIME: The interludes (esply 2nd) are not as excellent as the song deserved them to be... I was disappointed. Same for Yenna seiyya Pogiraai (KKKK)
  
  hari
  
  
• From: a.a (@ 203.197.135.197) on: Sat Nov 11 21:24:04 EST 2000
  
  Eden...
  Oru chinna correction....IR ruled....not IR rules..
  Neenga Innamum Bell Bottom Pants Than Podareengala????.......a.ahmed
  
  
• From: vd (@ 202.188.183.188) on: Sat Nov 11 22:19:40 EST 2000
  
  Dear AAHmed Sir,
  
  It seems you r a little outdated in latest wearing trends. Bell-bottom has been around as youngsters choice lately very well. Yeah, its true it was the 70's choice...but u see (you would better knew this)...the CHAKRAM..or wheel of trend will always revolve and people used to go back to old fashions for about every 20 years. Thank GOD, IR came in 1976...2006 is still good.
  
  For others..sorry if this goes too 'attire-ism'. Thanx.
  
  
• From: Eli ahmad (@ 172.173.73.199) on: Sat Nov 11 23:44:38 EST 2000
  
  Sorry for digression.
  
  A.A
  
  Dont you think your last posting was a unwanted deviation from the topic, with correction, bell bottom etc?. Whats wrong if anyone says IR rules or MSV rules etc?. Thats just a form of celebration. You said few songs with good interludes, did anyone refute it?.
  
  If you can only post useless posting and please leave others alone. What if other MDs are popular today? they say Allah rules too, but Jesus is more popular all over world, So should we plaster the guys praying Allah?. Allah does rules in his own respect. Please look at the topic before tying something ...
  
  One more request to people like vd, you can see a.a's statement doesnt means really nothing related to the topic? then why should you try using all your intelligence to counter it?. Yeah my post is also not related but couldnt tolerate few guys, who wants to discuss petty MD hate/love than music.
  
  

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