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Viswanathan-Ramamoorthy (The Golden Era of TFM)

Topic started by Sharma (@ 61.6.38.132) on Tue Dec 10 00:50:43 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

TFM really took a turn with the arrival of this duo to the field. While TFM has been in existence before Viswanathan-Ramamoorthy, it is after their debut that TFM really kicked off.

Songs pre-VR suffered an early death even by the 60s, whereas VR songs are most popular even today, some 40 years later.

Added to their success story is the fact that nearly ALL their songs became popular and still remain so. This is no mean achievement with no other MD having ever reached their success rate.

Let us use this thread to recollect, remininse and celebrate this great duo and their contributions to TFM.
Hope to get interesting quips from knowledgeable people like Manisegaran, Sathya Keerthi, Saravanan, Uthaya, OISG etc etc.

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Responses:

• From: Sharma (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Tue Dec 10 01:00:36 EST 2002
  
  Here are some samples of the movies they have worked for:
  
  1. Karuppu Panam
  2. Vennira Aadai
  3. Aandavan Kattalai
  4. Kai Kodutha Deivam
  5. Karpagam
  6. Mani Osai
  7. Puthiya Paravai
  8. Paalum Pazhamum
  9. Paarthaal Pasi Theerum
  10. Periya Idathu Penn
  11. Policekaaran Magal
  12. Pazhani
  13. Pachai Vilakku
  14. Panakkaara Kudumbam
  15. Panjavarana Kili
  16. Padagotti
  17. Paava Mannippu
  18. Aayirathil Oruvan
  19. Baaga Pirivinai
  20. Paasa Malar
  21. Vennira Aadai
  22. Paar Magale Paar
  23. Nenjil or Aalayam
  24. Karnan
  25. Kaathalikka Neramillai
  
  Like those above, there are countless other great movies the duo have done.
  
  Let us now discuss on how the duo came about, their working relationship and how did they evenutually split up.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.148.177) on: Tue Dec 10 08:46:42 EST 2002
  
  is it like only MSV-TKR or even those by MSV??
  
  then mayb u can add....
  Anbe Vaa
  Ninaithaaley Inikkum
  Kalangarai Vilakkam(?!).....esplly that Sivagami Song(!!)
  Sivantha Mann
  Enga veettu Pillai
  
  
• From: Sharma (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Tue Dec 10 22:10:29 EST 2002
  
  CP, let us limit to the V-R duo only.
  It is a pity that this topic did not generate much interest among the readers of this forum. V-R form an important aspect of TFM history and they must be given thier rightful place.
  
  Some interesting snippets:
  
  In the movie Jeans, the two chracters acted by Prashanth are named Viswanathan and Ramamoorthy.
  
  In the movie Poovellaam Kettuppaar, the story of two music directors were featured. Interestingly, the charcters bore a lot of resemblances to V-R!
  
  And finally, Rama Narayanan directed a movie called Viswanathan-Ramamoorthy acted by Ramki, Vivek and Roja. Unfortunately it was a mockery of the great duo with MD SA Rajkumar lifting Vairathil mazhai ketten from Kudiyiruntha Koyil's Aadaludan paadalai.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed Dec 11 00:19:57 EST 2002
  
  Sharma
  
  In the Ramanarayan movie the following dialogue was there:
  
  Vivek: Chinna vasayula prinju ponathunala evanga kudumba paatukku tune kidaikale!
  
  SV Shekhar: oho!Entha Kuzhanthaigalin peyar enna?
  
  Vivek : Viswanathan- Ramamoorthy
  
  SVS : Adappavai!Appadiyuma Tune kidaikale!
  
  Sharma
  In Jeans Rehman paid tributes to VR.The song "Anbe Anbe" has been deliberately composed like a VR song-with a humming ala "Naan aanyittal" and the rhythm in foxtrot which was popularised by VR in Kalangalil Aval Vasantham Azahgukkum malarukkum,Naalaam naalam,aval oru navarasa(MSV)etc.
  
  I would prefer to get info on some on their less-heard jems like
  
  1.Kunguma pottu kulungudhudhadi
  2.Deviyar iruvar
  
  etc.
  
  VR brought the semi-classical and THE CORRECT approach to FILM MUSIC.This was path breaking as the stalwarts GR,SMS,SVV,KVM were more in the classical mould. This brought the usage of more Hindustani ragas like Desh ,Tilang,Sumanesaranjani(prathi madyama of Suddha Dhanyasi),Madhu Kauns.
  
  There was this good thread "Creativity of MSV" with lot of inputs from Sriram L.
  
  The success of the duo was in their approach-FRONT-END first.You will always have Sivaji song or an MGR song but rarely a VR song.This is perfect understanding of their job which was to make-believe Sivaji-MGR singing on screen.
  
  I like to narrate this evertime when i talk of MSV.My cousin and me were just of the movie"Day of the Jackal".Following was the conversation:
  1.Me :Che!Evvalavu kashtappattu avan plan panraan.Aana Kadaisila avan yaru,avan efforts & meticulous planning ennanu theriyama poiduthey.
  
  2.My cousin:That was the reason why he was picked up for the job and it is a success to his professionalism.His job was to maintain the anonymity which he accomplished.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 12.234.176.52) on: Wed Dec 11 03:31:59 EST 2002
  
  The PPP (pazhaiya paadal pakkam) page on MSV-TKR: http://www.newtfmpage.com/ppp/vr.html
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.147.66) on: Wed Dec 11 03:47:47 EST 2002
  
  Sharma,
  fine.....but u have already given us 24/88 if i am right :) .... but no doubt there is no end to the discussion abt their classics...
  
  lemme add on...
  1) enga veettu pillai
  2) deiva thaai
  3) poojaikku vantha malar (i don remember the songs though......have seen the movie once on tv and found the songs pretty good)
  4) aalaya mani
  
  shanthi....yaar andha nilavu is all i have heard from shanthi.....i heard once dat this song had unbelievable effort from VR,TMS(?) and Sivaji to exhibit their genius and in the end Sivaji,with a cigarette in his hand, won the battle! :)
  
  server sundaram.....again don remember all the songs.....just Avalukkenna and Silai Eduthal are fresh in my mind
  
  btw....is Uyarntha Manithan by VR?? .... if tis add that to the list as well
  
  Sridhar movies usually have gr8 songs.....has nethin been missed out? (Vennira Aadai,Kathalikka Neramillai,Nenjil Or AAlayam...??)
  
  OISG,
  the Ramanaryanan movie ur referrin to is Tirupathi Ezhumalai Venkatesa
  
  
• From: Aalavandhan (@ 210.186.51.3) on: Wed Dec 11 06:02:49 EST 2002
  
  C~P
  Are you 18 or 81?
  Onnummille, chumma oru santhegam. :)
  
  Great thread Sharma.
  What was thier first movie and which year was that released?
  And how long did this koottani last?
  What was their last movie together?
  And did Ramamoorthy score any movies after the split?
  
  Enakku kelvi kettkkathaan theriyum. :)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Wed Dec 11 06:15:12 EST 2002
  
  Reason for split (a rumour): Heard that MSV became very close to LRE which was critisized by TKR and one day TKR went off snapping the tie. No ego clash.
  
  TKR's thani aavarthanam: soapu-seeppu-kaNNaadi
  But TKR was not successful in his thani aavarthanam, whereas MSV was.
  
  Latest version of VR: aengirundhO vandhaan (released in late 90s?). Acted by sathyaraaj, roja, janakaraaj. It is a remake of chiththram(malayaaLam super-hit film).
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Wed Dec 11 07:07:37 EST 2002
  
  Alavandhan;
  
  >>Enakku kelvi kettkkathaan theriyum. :)<<
  
  Ithai naan engo kaeta mathiri irukke, uha, it's nagesh's dialogue from thiruvizhaiyadal.
  
  Shamrma;
  
  I thought Karnan was by KVM, have heard "Engiruntho vandhaan" by MSV+Ramamoorthy, it is mid 90's film, starring Sathyraj+Roja, super songs!
  
  
  As Karnan was classical, I think it is by KVM, not MSV+RM, as KVM was the best MD for carnatic based songs!
  
  who scored for "Kanthan kauranai", it was KVM, wasn't it ?
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Wed Dec 11 07:23:25 EST 2002
  
  Raghu,
  
  Karnan was indeed by VR.
  Kandhan Karunai was by KVM.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Wed Dec 11 10:15:40 EST 2002
  
  Kupps,
  
  thanks 4 the info,
  
  can u pls tell me who scored for
  
  1) Thiruvizhaiyadhal - KVM ???
  2) Thiruvarutchelvar -???
  
  
• From: Aalavandhan (@ 203.106.162.225) on: Wed Dec 11 11:13:32 EST 2002
  
  Raghu
  
  Thiruvizhaiyadal? :)
  
  I am not sure about V-R scoring for devotional movies as I think the Golden age for such movies was after they parted ways.
  
  But I also know that classical songs were a piece of cake for MSV. Take movies like Aboorva Raagangal, Thavaputhalvan, Antha 7 Naatkkal, Mirudhanga Chakravarthi for instance.
  But as Mellisai Mannan, his speciality was mellisai of course.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 139.76.65.132) on: Wed Dec 11 11:24:42 EST 2002
  
  Thiruvizhaiyadal is by KVM.....
  
  Thiruvarutchelvar - something unique about this movie - was it TMS who acted on this or was the music by TMS ?
  
  
• From: Aalavandhan (@ 203.106.162.116) on: Wed Dec 11 11:57:26 EST 2002
  
  Not you too Sabs!
  
  It is Thiruvilaiyaadal - no zh! :)
  
  Sivaji was Thiruvarutchelvar. (Beautiful song - Kaathalaagi kasinthu)
  
  TMS acted in and as Arunagirinathar. Horrible. :)
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 139.76.65.132) on: Wed Dec 11 12:02:49 EST 2002
  
  hello.... enga oorlaaa appadithaanbaaa spell pannangaaa :-(....
  
  which movie had this song where TMS sings "thathithiru muthuthiru" or something like that ? was it Thiruvarutchelvar....
  
  and what the hell r u doing at after midnight ur time Mr.Aalavandhaaan..... go to bed like a good boy :-)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Wed Dec 11 22:44:55 EST 2002
  
  "It is Thiruvilaiyaadal - no zh! :) "
  
  Aalavandhan it is "ThiruviLaiyaadal" neengaLum kavundhuteengaLae :-))
  
  sabesan "muththaithiru" is from arunagirinaadhar. It is indeed arunagirinaadhar's poem on lord Murugan. TMS did a splendid job in singing that song.
  
  
• From: Manisegaran (@ 202.184.173.62) on: Thu Dec 12 00:39:38 EST 2002
  
  Kupps,
  
  The split between MSV and TKR has been explained several times. LRE was not the reason at all.
  
  From the time MSV and TKR combined in the film Panam, it was actually MSV who did most of the composing work. TKR was violin genius who enriched the BGM. When you listen to the songs of MSV-TKR you could faintly hear the violin sound accompanying the song tune. This enriched the quality of the music very much. But effective the split this was totally absent in the songs by MSV, though retained sometimes in the songs by TKR.
  
  The last film they worked together was Padmini Pictures Aayirathil Oruvan. This film saw both some rare union and split as well. BR Bantulu who was in Sivaji Unit abandoned him and came to MGR after bitter experience with SIvaji in MUradan Muthu. Jayalalitha was paired with MGR in Aayirathil Oruvan. Kannadasan and MGR who were not in talkig terms got united in this movie when Vaali could not pen lyrics to suit the taste and quality of MGR- ODUM MEGANGALE ORU SOL KELIRO was the bond that united Kannadasan with MGR.
  
  Reason for the split. TKR succumbed to heavy alcoholic influence and could not perform well in the studios. The bitterness was silently fermenting. By the time Aayirathil Oruvan was produced Kannadasan saw the genius in MSV and told him to be independent. True enough MSV kicked off with the film Nee and became highly successful, giving some Silver Jubilee and 100 day run films.
  
  TKR started off with Saathu Mirandaal and composed for some 44 movies, but was of no parallel to MSV .
  
  Thanks,
  
  Mani
  
  
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Thu Dec 12 01:22:56 EST 2002
  
  
  Thanks Mani Sir,
  
  i didn't know that. I knew only this and very well understand that that was a rumour which cannot be proved.
  
  

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