Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.
The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 12 09:08:16 EDT 2002
Ram, "thooliyilaee" is not "Rathipathipriya". Classic eg, in carnatic music is the famous "jagathjanani sukavaani" which is in this raagam. Correct me if am wrong.Nice to be back to this forum again.
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Fri Apr 12 09:10:45 EDT 2002
welcome back then, Anu :-)
- From: Anu (@ 68.49.138.51)
on: Fri Apr 12 09:12:12 EDT 2002
Ram, Theendai is based on Sri
- From: Vidhya (@ 12.148.251.114)
on: Fri Apr 12 11:01:22 EDT 2002
Discussion on Rathipriya.
http://forumhub.com/indcmusic/922.24096.15.22.18.html
Jajanani is used in the musical film "Rathipathipriya".
- From: Vidhya (@ 12.148.251.114)
on: Fri Apr 12 11:04:03 EDT 2002
http://www.khazana.com/et/products/product.asp?sku=INMU5189&Region=&Country=India&Department=Music&Sub%5FDept=&Next=0&Artist=Sikkil+Sisters&new%5Ftarget=%2Fet%2Fproducts%2Fproduct%5Fby%5Fartist%2Easp&mscsstcid=
This page lists JagathJanani as Rathipathipriya.
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.209)
on: Fri Apr 12 11:40:11 EDT 2002
Sindhuja - dont kochufy - idho ippo kekkaren :-)
Vidh - Rathipathipriya nnu oru padam vandhuda enna? SindhuBhairavi la oru paattu irukku indha raagathula - ( he sings this song when he learns that his wife attempted suicide - marandhu pochchu)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Fri Apr 12 11:52:42 EDT 2002
If Aanenna Pennenna from Darmadurai is Rathipathipriya then definitely the chinnathambi songs is really really close to that...(listen to both the charanams)....apdi Darmadurai songe RP illaina IR_Fan azhinjaaru enkitaa......If not Rathipathipriya would Abheri be a close one?....I find "Ilamai Idho Idho" from Sakalakalaavallavan very similar to "Poo malai" in Thanga magan....can we list it as Hindolam/Suddadanyasi?
Anu,Welcome back:-)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.209)
on: Fri Apr 12 12:07:43 EDT 2002
Sindhuja - andha paattu net la engayaavadhu irukka?
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Fri Apr 12 12:15:25 EDT 2002
IR-Ithi meeku nyayama?mera sawal ka jawab kahan hai?(enakku ithukku mela bashai theriyathu:-)....yaaravathu bathil sollungappa
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.209)
on: Fri Apr 12 12:19:24 EDT 2002
Ram - adhellam kidayadhu - mudhalla Sindhja kku thaan priority ;) (apprum thittuvaanga) - apparum thaan unga keLvi kku badhil :) plus, neengaLum IR_Fan num swaarasyama mandaya pichchukkareenga - adhula nammakku enna velai nnu vittutten ;)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Fri Apr 12 12:25:49 EDT 2002
naanum IR_Fan um mattum pichukkarathuna email laiye senchukka maatoma?....ungala,Anu,Sinduja maathiri aatkal irukkarathaala thaane inga post panrom....Exam kku padikkara Sindhujava distract pannatheenga:-)en kelvikku bathil sollunga
- From: Sindhuja (@ )
on: Fri Apr 12 12:35:17 EDT 2002
Ram,IR is of course not distracting me!!In fact she's taking all this trouble coz I was the 1 who 1st asked her!
IR,
ippo time illai.Once I find a link to that song,will post it.In the mean while u too keep "Theding"!
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Fri Apr 12 12:38:25 EDT 2002
Sindhuja I was just kidding(neenga illaingara dhairyathula adichu vitten:-).....Sindhuja aanalun neenga ellaraiyum ippadi meratti vechu irukka koodathu IR paavam bayanthu poi irukkanga....intha weekend poi manthirichaathan seriyavanga pola irukku;-)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.209)
on: Fri Apr 12 13:05:12 EDT 2002
Ram, Thooliyile seems to be karaharapriya based. It is hard to say if it is based on "a" janya raga of karaharapriya because the song itself does not clearly bring out the chayal of any one janya raga in particular. I do notice a lot of "Sa Ri2 ga2 Pa" phrases - but there are tons of KHP janyas that have these notes. This is probably why you feel it is Ratipathipriya based.! The song uses all notes in karaharapriya but like I said there are lots of Sa Ri2 Ga2 Pa usage too... (dha1 in interludes) Just my opinion!
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.209)
on: Fri Apr 12 13:18:33 EDT 2002
same is true for AaNenna peN enna - stron shivaranjani flavour too - although it is not :-) Safe to say it is karaharapriya based. (but, Ram - for the records - it is NOT Rathipathipriya base) :-) :-) :-)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.209)
on: Fri Apr 12 13:19:31 EDT 2002
hayyo vaarthai ellam muzhunging - strong and based paadhi kaaNum
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Fri Apr 12 15:27:14 EDT 2002
IR,Than very much....IR_Fan ippadi ariya paiyana emaathiteengale....cha unga pechu kaa:-)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Fri Apr 12 18:28:04 EDT 2002
Is "Salai oram Solai Onru" in Payanangal Mudivathillai based on Mohanam?
- From: IR_Fan (@ 203.199.245.71)
on: Sat Apr 13 04:40:49 EDT 2002
Long time back someone told me annenna pennenna was RPPriya. But after posting in this forum, dear MS (another expert in this part of the world, who is absent nowadays) told me that it was ABHERI. And MS sonnadhaala kanna moodikittu ABHERI'la list panninen. I need to have a re-look now.
Did any of you guys ever get to listen to "Gana Kuyile Kannurakkam Ponadhadi" from film "Pooncholai". Man, tell you what, it is the best hamsanandhi i have heard in some years now (music by IR). And how about these guesses,
a) Pandhalile Thongugira - Veera - Karaharapriya
b) Vaadi vethala paakku - Veera - Karaharapriya
c) Thirupaachi aruvaala - Tajmahal - Karaharapriya !!!!
d) Minsara kanna - padayappa - hamsanandhi + Suryakantham
e) Vizhiyile Mani Vizhiyil Mouna Mozhi Paesum Annam - Nooraavadhu Naal - Kaapi???
f) My Heart Will Go On - Titanic - Shankarabharanam + Harikhambodhi :-)))
Ellorum thalaiyya pichikkoonga ;-)
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Sat Apr 13 12:59:53 EDT 2002
IR_fan :-)
naan Read Only Mode (ROM) la irukkEn. nadaththunga.
aaNenna peNNenna - I can't say which ragam it is in. But I can say for sure that it is in the same league of:
(1) oorellaam un paatuththaan uLLaththai meettudhu
(2) kalyaaNa thEn nilaa
(3) kaNNodu kaaNbadhellaam
and..vaadi veththal paakku cannot be KP since I clearly hear G3.
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Sat Apr 13 14:52:30 EDT 2002
MS,
Kuzhapareengale:-)...Kalyana Thenila(If it is the mamooty song) then it is kanada/darbari...and kannodu kaanbathellam is Abheri/suddadanyasi....ithula ethunu antha Darmadurai song kku eduthukarathu?
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Sat Apr 13 16:01:48 EDT 2002
IR_Fan i think I have found one more Keeravani,Appanendrum in Guna is Keeravani9I think)....experts confirm I guess....Interestingly in the same film there is another keeravani in "Unnai Naan ariven"
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Sat Apr 13 16:28:43 EDT 2002
by league I did not mean the same ragam. Similar sounding. Try humming (1) and (2). They sound very similar.
- From: vijay (@ 68.51.203.216)
on: Sat Apr 13 16:34:08 EDT 2002
Another song that gives a similar feel to "aanenna pennanna" is "anbu megame ingu odi vaa" with music by Vijayabhaskar. I feel there is a strong Sudhdhadhanyaasi feel to "aanenna pennanna"..cannot confirm it :-)
- From: rags (@ 12.158.16.84)
on: Sat Apr 13 20:03:10 EDT 2002
It must be a old question. where do I get MP3 songs for alaipayudhe
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.40)
on: Sat Apr 13 20:36:50 EDT 2002
Happy new year to all!!!!:-)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Sat Apr 13 20:41:36 EDT 2002
INIYA PUTHAANDU NAL VAAZHTHUKKAL(Sindhuja naan Thamizhan:-)
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.26.234)
on: Sun Apr 14 16:12:34 EDT 2002
Is "Roja poonthottam" in Kannukkul nilavu Keeravani orr Simmendra Madhyamam?....experts confirm pls.
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.26.234)
on: Sun Apr 14 16:12:43 EDT 2002
Is "Roja poonthottam" in Kannukkul nilavu Keeravani orr Simmendra Madhyamam?....experts confirm pls.
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.26.234)
on: Mon Apr 15 01:29:56 EDT 2002
ennappa ithu innikku ivalavu monam?
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.168)
on: Mon Apr 15 05:23:12 EDT 2002
Ram,though I'm not an expert,lemme make an attempt.:-)
It's toooo vague to judge, I feel.Looks like it has more of SM than keeravani.the charnams clearly show "saayal"s of SM.
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.208)
on: Mon Apr 15 16:05:50 EDT 2002
IR,IR_Fan,ANu ellarum enga poneenga?.....I still confused abt.taking a stance on whether that song is keeravani or SM...pls confirm(Sindhuja neenga adichu solli iruntha nambi iruppen)......
and I had posted a query abt "Ilamai itho itho"(the new yr. song) in sakalakalaavallavan it sounds pretty much like poomaalai in Thangamagan....is it Suddadanyasi/Hindolam?
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.170)
on: Mon Apr 15 23:08:39 EDT 2002
WHERE IS EVERYONE?????
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.57)
on: Mon Apr 15 23:38:37 EDT 2002
Sindhuja,
ellarum rommmmba busy pola irukku....vaanga nammalum poi padikara vazhiya paarpom:-0
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Tue Apr 16 00:16:47 EDT 2002
IR, Sindu, Ram,
song "Deewana" from the movie Gemini... is it based on Hamsadwani ???
Pls Clarify...
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Tue Apr 16 02:53:54 EDT 2002
MS, neenga Read Only mode'la irukkaradhu therinjirundha, adiyen konjam adakki vaasichiruppen ;-)
Ram, "appanendrum ammaiendrum" is MMGowlai in MHO.
Ram/Sindhuja, 'Roja poondhottam' gives Simmendhramadhyamam feel for sure. But if u go by scale & prayogams, it follows Shanmugapriya protocol. Two supportive arguements for my stance,
a) Start with Sa (of shankarabharanam). But for the sparce usage of Ma1, it follows Shanmugapriya scale. Especially the charanams. Watch out for the last line of the charanams,"nee nerunginal nerunginal ilamai sudugiradhe", it is avarohanam of Shanmugapriya. IMHO.
b) There is usage of "Chintamani" in the song, a janya of shanmugapriya (if u start with Sa as i mentioned). The "Sa Pa" usage is seen. It is another indication of raga used.
May be u can blame it on the way i have shifted the keys while trying the song. I had myself listed it as Simmendramadhyamam myself :-). Guess i will change it to shanmugapriya (i can almost hear Sindhuja scream "ABSURD")...[In a recent radio programme, the lady hosting it said "Tham thana tham thana thalam varum" is Simmendramadhyamam !!!!. Can u comprehend this?!?!?!?!?. It is shanmugapriya.]
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.1.235)
on: Tue Apr 16 03:16:29 EDT 2002
appada!ippo thaan nimmadi-ya irukku.
"raaga of song"thread-kku marubadiyum uyir vandirikku.
IR_fan,I've heard that song from Kanukkul nilavu loooong back on t.v.Now since Ram asked,I just listened to it once on raaga.com.So seriya therillai.May be it IS really Shanmugapriya as u say.Aanaa N3 clear-a ketta maadiri irukke!May be I'm wrong.Tiruppi kekkanum.
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