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why people hate illaiyaraaja-an example

Topic started by kumar (@ 61.11.74.10) on Fri Sep 28 09:10:07 EDT 2001.
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read a.v.ramanan's interview.he tells how illaiyaraja curtly silenced him.very pathetic to read.

http://thirai.ambalam.com/

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• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Thu Oct 4 11:07:44 EDT 2001
  
  Naga, not only for u. "Maaman Oru Nall" is my favorite too. That is amazing song. But......
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Oct 4 11:31:54 EDT 2001
  
  good posting Karthik S.. a nice article
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.199) on: Thu Oct 4 19:39:43 EDT 2001
  
  Having learned, experienced and undergone certain things in his life, this is what I feel is IR today.
  I think the following song describes him and his mentality/beliefs the best:
  
  Undhan raajiyaththil yaarum ingu anaadhai yillayammaa
  endrum aravanaikkum kaigal undu thunbam yillayammaa (sees that God is there to take care of him)
  bhoomi oru annai yendral bhoomikku thaai nee allavo
  konjam neku undu sogam illayamma (He knows he has his share, and is not feeling bad/sorry for himself.)
  
  Udhirndhu vizhum pookkal sollum kadandhu maraindha kaalam
  malarndhu varum pookkal sollum naalaya edhirkaalam
  naalaya vaazhkaikku maaligai kattida indru adi kallai pottai - Lay the foundations today for a bright tomorrow (choose the right path for our music today to be able to safeguard its values tomorrow :-))
  
  nee varum munnamae vaazhum yidha thandha thaarendru nee yenna maattai
  yellorkum sontham yendrae thaan selvamgal nam annai thandhaal
  adhil un pangai yaar kolla pogum
  
  He knows nobody is going to take his place/share. Everyone is going to have his place/share.
  
  Ninaitha vazhi thendral sellum dhisaigal yellai yillai (not being bound) problems
  manakkadhavai moodi vaithal nuzhaindhu vidum thollai (if u r closed u’ll have tribulations)
  medum pallamum vaazhvil vandhaalum ullathil pallangal vendaam (there wld be ups and downs in life, but don’t let them have any adverse effect on u)
  
  sogam thunbam soorndhu vandhalum nambikkaiyai vida vendaam (Even at times of utmost depression don’t lose faith (in good and what is right))
  
  ullathil vallamai kondae naalaya vaazhkaya indrae
  ingae yippodhu ni thodangu
  
  Be strong and determined at heart and start ur future from now onwards.
  
  Undhan raajiyaththil yaarum ingu anaadhai yillayammaa
  endrum aravadaikkum kaigal undu thunbam yillayammaa
  bhoomi oru annai yendral bhoomikku thaai nee allavo
  konjam neku undu sogam illayamma
  
  He sang this song from Aandhan Adimai because it was very close to him. He had sung many songs like “Ninnai charan…” from Bharati because he feels very strong about them.
  
  He may have been arrogant at times. He probably could have been a better person. But that is to be understood as there was nobody else during those times who was more knowledgeable than him (or for that matter even now). Nobody needs to tell him what his duty is. He knows his job very well. His being rigid with people regarding his work was reasonable most of the times as he always gave a film what it deserved, if not more. He seems to have this impeccable ability to foresee the way a film is going to shape into (That is the reason I also feel that overall the songs of Dalapathi were ok compared to his earlier MR films as MR’s standard came down but Rajini’s went up with scope for better acting. MR probably wanted a better work from IR (for songs) but I think IR stuck to what he gave. So was the case with Hey Ram – the BGM was good but songs were ok!!!)
  
  His decline happened after the arrival of ARR but not because of ARR. It was more so because of top directors not wanting him, symphony setback and other reasons, which he had to overcome. What I really liked about IR is his determination to succeed and not give up, that never-say-die attitude - even after 8 yrs since he has been written off, he is still there and only getting stronger day-by-day with no top director/producer for him. And I liked more the fact that he did not take more to the west as others did. I see that there has been a significant cultural and moral degradation because of our FM (with the entry of PrabhuDeva and Suresh Peters singing for him with the help of ARR and other MDs) and am proud that IR is not part of it. In fact, he is the only person who is not giving in to the lures of the west. An occasional Agni Nakshathiram or Anjali is certainly welcome. Even otherwise, the path he has choosen is different from others and that in itself is very commendable.
  
  Anyways, his arrogance has always been exaggerated. And so is the talk about his giving freedom to others. If that had been true, we would not have seen the best of SPB, KJY, SJ, PS and all the top directors would not have gone for him repeatedly. People should also think about him being accessible to new directors and small budget producers. How else would many like ‘Sethu’ Bala get an opportunity to work with him? Do you think the woman-director of Kutti was not comfortable working with IR?
  
  Anyways, if not for anything, compared to the kind of knowledge we have about music and the arrogance we exhibit here, I think his arrogance is more than justified for the contribution he has made towards music/FM:-)
  
  Btw, read “west” as “western/modern techno music”
  
  All IMHO.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Fri Oct 5 00:33:30 EDT 2001
  
  KS. We know the capability and potent of IR. He is very great MD. No second opinion on that. But he should have given a chance to AVR for a duet with UR. That is not very difficult thing for IR when SPB and SPS could sing a duet. Atleast he should have given one song.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.77) on: Fri Oct 5 01:15:13 EDT 2001
  
  GR, do you think IR would not have a justifiable reason for that (i.e from his own point of view)?
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.129.72) on: Fri Oct 5 02:25:58 EDT 2001
  
  G. R.,
  
  IF IR feels there are more talented singers than AVR, I believe his position is justified., Just because he is the husband of UR, he can't get a song !
  
  Viraivil ethirpaarungaL - Tippu and Harini singing a duet with ARR's music ;-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Fri Oct 5 03:23:00 EDT 2001
  
  Eden, IR might have got really some genune reason! I accept this. But these are just fun. He tuned so many duets. At least he could have given one song for that pair. If IR can't give, to whom else they can also ask?
  
  Naga, We know the talent of AVR well. I know that you too know this well. Listen to AMR-Jikki combo songs. You'll get something extra there. :-))
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.129.72) on: Fri Oct 5 06:50:42 EDT 2001
  
  G. Ragavan ... I know AVR's talent - eventho' I haven't seen him perform on stage live.,
  
  But my doubt is .. why no MD gave him songs ? May be He is missing some talent which MDs (not IR in specific :-) want from their singers ?
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Fri Oct 5 06:54:55 EDT 2001
  
  Naga, it may be true. But the real MD like IR should be able to extract the hidden talent of a singer. If MD like IR can't do that, whom else can do?
  
  
• From: .. (@ 24.4.253.20) on: Fri Oct 5 08:08:46 EDT 2001
  
  Ks .
  His decline happened after the arrival of ARR but not because of ARR. It was more so because of top directors not wanting him
  -- who is to blame here ? ....the directors..you got to be joking.
  
  He is the only person who is not giving in to the lures of the west.
  -- oh apidya, was western classical...made in india.
  
  
  with the entry of PrabhuDeva and Suresh Peters singing for him with the help of ARR and other MDs
  
  -- this is someones growth, dont degrade it,.
  if you talk of singing quality, 1st IR should not sing,, then he uses bhava, she should not sing...
  first let him correct himself from all the crap then trash others.
  
  
  Have ir praised anyone in public ?
  Has he mentioned any where spb is good singer who did good job to him?
  has he mentioned any where kjy,chitra etc sang good numbers to be him.,.?
  has he giving to any credit to the aritsts he has worked with till date.
  has he given credit to any of the directorts he worked with ?
  simply He did not, he cannot, he has a serious problem,
  first let him correct himself instead of trashing all other artists.
  :(
  
  as someone mentioned avrs interview was free ticked for many ir fans to trash all other aritsts in the name of fan hood.:(
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.129) on: Fri Oct 5 08:38:48 EDT 2001
  
  first let him correct himself instead of trashing all other artists.
  
  There I think you're a little off the track Srikanth, I don't think he has trashed any artise in public either...
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 32.97.32.195) on: Fri Oct 5 09:12:01 EDT 2001
  
  KS, Hey Ram songs-laam "dabba" not just OK, okay?
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Oct 5 09:14:03 EDT 2001
  
  eden, yes!...I agree.
  I was litrally irrirated when people start to trash everyone.
  I have been to many AVR shows and had oppurtunity top see his music rehersals, he is a great perfectionists, Musiano is the only group whom i know who takes pains to play all the parts composed b the composer.,
  Also AVR is a fan of IR. He always talks good about every music director.
  If you see, AVR did not complain about IRs music , he was sad that he did not get to sing for him. Which is natural to any artist.
  
  Secondly when we all have the right to support or not support his views, I think AVR is also entititled to complain after singing majority of IR songs on stage for more than 25 years.
  We should end it here, I posted a similar posting like 10 days ago thinking this would end..I was wrong, this moring when I read few postings, it is going back to tehno music bla bla which I am sure will go towards ARr:), I was carried away by my anger. I did not mean to talk poorly or bad about IR.
  
  AVR is entitiled to his opinion, if yuo dont liek dont read his interview. People should not degrade
  the Artist "AVR". I am just supporting the Artist AVR,
  however like others I was irresponsible to trashed personality of IR which was totally unwarrented....I agree I was wrong.
  
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.129.72) on: Fri Oct 5 09:26:09 EDT 2001
  
  Dear ".."
  
  >>>> if you talk of singing quality, 1st IR should not sing,,
  
  May be you can think of putting a 'IMO' before your post .. there are many people who consider raja as a good singer and I am one of them.,
  
  May be he doesn't have the 'paNdithath thanam' that you want in his voice, But he sure has the emotions and that is enough for singing film songs.,
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: .. (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Fri Oct 5 09:37:22 EDT 2001
  
  Nagas, everything I post is my opinion, I dont usually post others opinion.:)!.
  also if possible apply the same rule to AVRs interview, it is his opinion..why trash the artist AVR here?
  
  

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