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Zakhir Hussain's comment on ARR

Topic started by Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on Thu Jul 9 11:53:09 EDT 1998.
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Source:
http://www.filmfare.com/site/may98/tunein4a.htm

"Today, music directors think globally. There's so much information available. With the exception of A R Rahman, most of the composers have no distinct style today; they're in the process of sifting through the information and influences to discover their own identity."

So, guys, what do you say? I guess that a big part of this is true, but I'm sure you'll all have a lot to say about this.....

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Responses:

• From: Srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Thu Jul 9 12:30:31 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  Zakir words are Perfect!, Thats why I have been supporting this 5'4 inches music wonder., he is 100% international.,
  
  Srikanth.
  
  
• From: krishnan (@ uswgne11.uswest.com) on: Thu Jul 9 13:06:42 EDT 1998
  
  A good tabla player complementing a good keyboard player!!
  
  
• From: Madhan,Goa (@ 202.41.117.11) on: Thu Jul 9 13:47:57 EDT 1998
  
  Does this "....most of the other composers lack a distinct style today...." include IR as well ? it would be interesting to know this...
  
  But, yes, ARR definitely knows the pulse of the 'market' today and packages his music aptly to woo everyone - a la MTV style - that way, ZH is 100% right..
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ 205.147.245.41) on: Thu Jul 9 14:23:53 EDT 1998
  
  With all due respects to ZH talent,its an outrageous statement.This is not b'cause IR was'nt mentioned.There is no true international music.ZH needs to define internarional music and there exists none.No single music composer has any distinct identity.He or she falls back on a pure structured form.
  ZH has'nt done any musical composition to boast off.He should strictly stick to playing tabla and endorse Taj Mahal tea and once in a while
  perform this so called jugal bhandhi and take the western audience for a ride.I am not spitting this b'cause of any personal prejudices but guys like ravi shankar and ZH should confine themselves to their prowsess rather than giving out such callous statements.
  
  Anand Mahadevan
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate5.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Jul 9 15:00:01 EDT 1998
  
  ZH is wrong.. I second Aanad Mahadevan's comments.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks12d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Thu Jul 9 15:04:42 EDT 1998
  
  ZH is correct. ARR has finished sifting thru' the info and influences and has hence successfully established his own style. But nowhere did ZH claim that ARR's style was 100% original. His statement automatically incorporates the fact that ARR's music is an amalgamation of various influences. If that is what makes it international, so be it. IMO, this has nothing to do with IR, and IR fans are unecessarily dragging him into it.
  
  Krishnan, Madhan and Anand:
  This is a perfectly innocent statement and I feel we need not take it as an insult to IR. Whenever someone comments about ARR, it is not necessary that he or she include IR in some way. ARR can be evaluated independently. Like it or not, ARR is the most successful and undoubtedly most talented MD of the current generation. I can make such a statement honestly when I refuse to bracket ARR and IR together. When I can do this, I don't understand why ZH cannot.
  
  Let me try to analyze ZH's statement "Today MDs think globally" -
  This does not mean that IR's music is not up to par with international standards. If anything, it is way beyond what international MDs can come up with these days. Again ZH speaks about sifting thru' info and influences. This means, he is talking about the information available from all over the world (global) and the influences of MDs (or their music) from all over the world. We should only feel happy that he did not include IR in this category. IMO, IR is one of those MDs from whom information has flown towards these younger MDs and without a question of doubt he is the greatest influence on TFM as a product. Therefore it is an indirect acknowledgement of IR's genius that prevents ZH from even mentioning his name alongwith modern day MDs. Not that IR would care 2 hoots for anyone's evaluation :-)
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Thu Jul 9 15:45:49 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  "A good tabla player complementing a good keyboard player!!"
  
  When "No Players" like us keep a guitar player on the our head and roam about infecting every thread here - about the guitar player - Zakir has the best capacity to appriciate about A.R.Rahman.
  
  I dont know why you guys take ARR appriciation as Raja critisism...Zakir has told about ARR.
  Stop with that!...
  
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Anand Mahadevan (@ 205.147.245.41) on: Thu Jul 9 16:13:20 EDT 1998
  
  srinath,
  I was trying to point out that there is nothing called international music and no music
  composer has any distinctive quality/identity.They can'nt afford to have one as they will be quickly branded.A music composer streches his creativity or atleast tries to be different from his earlier compositions.Once U have a distinctive quality U tend to recylce the same stuff.
  I am not sure in what context ZH was referring
  to identity but predictability from a music composer spells doom.
  Srikant,here we go!!U seem to be really triggered by anti AR sentiments.Instead of taking positions I expect a more constructive discussion in this thread.
  Per se,ZH is a tabla player.Nothing wrong in referring ZH as tabla player.
  "A good tabla player complementing a good keyboard player!!" is a fully justified statement if U can remove the pun from it.
  
  Anand Mahadevan
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ socks15d.raleigh.ibm.com) on: Thu Jul 9 16:14:37 EDT 1998
  
  "I dont know why you guys take ARR appriciation as Raja critisism...Zakir has told about ARR." - Srikanth is 100% correct :-)
  
  You guys are making Srikanth bash IR by bashing ARR unnecessarily. Cool down Srikanth. You know IR is much more than just a guitarist. If you get provoked you end up making such silly statements. You must really put across your opinions in a much more reasonable way :-)
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Thu Jul 9 16:17:51 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Srinath,
  
  I Just quit my job - so I am looking for some bait..to pounce on it!...and tear...
  (Did you hear my emotinons)
  Sorry guys!
  Srikanth
  (Ravi Anna will remove this very soon)
  
  
• From: S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Fri Jul 10 01:37:13 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  
  I think ZH was talking about the Hindi Film MD's. I think ZH is correct only to a certain extent. There are still MD's like Bhupen Hazarika who have their own original style based on folk music. I guess he can be excluded safely because he doesnt do too many films. So the statement can be taken as implying Hidi film mainstream MDs only.
  
  In this context I think ZH is correct to a large extent. Infact one of the most original MDs of HFM used to be Rajesh Roshan. Now the bug of copying or getting "inspired" has caught up with him. Lot of his music nowadays is "inspired" from Western sources. He used to have his distinct identity. Even now once in a while, as in a song from Nana Patekar-Jakie Shroff-Manisha starrer, he has given an excellent melody (Kavitha Krishnamurthy). Beat me if you have to but in composing an original tune Rajesh Roshan is on par, if not better than Rahman. But nowadays ....
  
  The other MD's like Anu Malik, Anand Milind, Nadeem Shravan etc prove the correctness of ZH's statement. In many ways Rahman is much better than them. Nadeem Shravan did have a big hit in Pardes, but I cannot say that they had any disctinct style. So, you can safely say that Rahman is one of the very few MD's in HFM who has a style of his own.
  
  ZH doesnt say anything about Rahman being international. I think his fans claim he is. He is definitely a composer who is well known throughout India but international ... I think it is streching things a bit too far. Beatles were international. So was Elvis. Michael Jackson is truly international (whether you like his music or not is a different question). It will be difficult for Rahman to be international, because once he goes international, his "inspirations" will be immediately be known. ZH was implying as much when he said the MDs were sifting thru the information available.
  
  Digression: Sree, if you are reading this, I was unable to send you the article yet. Guess you have to wait for some more time.
  
  
• From: Ganesh (@ 164.164.37.8) on: Fri Jul 10 05:46:03 EDT 1998
  
  ARR is definitely a brilliant composer!! One of the best composers personally I have listened to! He 100% deserves what ZH has told about him! Dismissing him as just a inspiration man... common guys give me a break.. IMO it is a atrocious statement... It has been adequately pointed out in this forum that there has not been a 100% orignal music director... Even his worst critic cannot dispute the amount of originality he has shown...Thankfully a lot of people can appreciate his music... He is undoubtedly a musical wonder
  
  
• From: MSK (@ marimuth-nt.qualcomm.com) on: Fri Jul 10 15:35:37 EDT 1998
  
  Thinking Global. Yes ZH is right.. ARR works for a wider market and is fairly sucessful at it too.
  Also extending it a bit further , ARR has used technology to it's best..another aspect of Global appeal. Agreed.
  
  But as far as his comment goes as to distinct Style., I COMPLETELY disagree with ZH'z comment.
  Does he mean No other MD has his own style.. Vow! that's a baseless statement and ZH should know better..
  
  Even Deva has his own " Distinct" style..of plagiarism.
  
  Or maybe ZH was pulling ARR's legs.???
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: R.Balaji (@ 129.130.140.41) on: Fri Jul 10 18:55:43 EDT 1998
  
  Yes,ZH's statement is true.Only ARR thinks so much globally that he is able to lift up tunes and produce a global music.So then he is distinct lifestyle.
  i think ZH should watch his tongue.He is one among the promising tabla players.He is the greatest.Is he expecting some work with ARR?
  Evan thaan comment adikannum endra vivasthai eillama pochu.
  
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ 80.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net) on: Fri Jul 10 22:37:48 EDT 1998
  
  Hi Balaji,
  Namaba Orealla (no specific name used) thuku thukunu thukache , ZH has all the thaguthee inthe world to say about ARR.....ZH likes AR music - he comments on him. There it ends.
  Ithe AVar unga alla (no specific name used) pathi soliirutharna -- ZH --- would have been a new God for your team.
  He lifts - thalivar (no specific name used) lift panaadhatha! , Retire avaendiya.... I will stop it...
  
  "He is one of the promising tabla player - when you can pass a comment just like that on ZH , he can comment on any one - leaving the names (which you like)....give an interview in Star dust or nachatra puzuthi and tell your views - we all will talk about here. Summa thitatheenga Sir,
  
  "Evan thaan comment adikannum endra vivasthai eillama pochu. " you are correct I request RaviJi to remove all our postings at once.
  
  Srikanth
  
  

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