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TFM Composers - That Dared and Surprised TFM

Topic started by newtopicworthit? (@ 65.57.13.101) on Tue Jan 8 00:28:25 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

ARR- Thiruda Thiruda (Raasathi, Chandraleka, Puthum Pudu Bhoomi), Minsara Kanavu (Oo la la, Strawberry Kanne)
HJ - Minnale
KR - Grahan in Hindi!
YSR - Dheena
IR - Annakkilli - (orchestration and folk tunes), Sindu Bhairavi, Ullasa Paravaihal, Ennakkul Oruvan, Moodu Pani etc.. Can we find out more about IR's pathbreaking numbers?
MSV - Many, eg.. Oru Raja Raani Idam

Worth talking about?

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Responses:

• From: Sombu Nilagriesar (@ 64.105.35.163) on: Tue Jan 8 04:23:15 EST 2002
  
  That dared and surprised TFM . What is KR's grahan doing here ?
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Jan 8 04:50:01 EST 2002
  
  HJ Minnalae? What surprised? I mean there was nothing "NEW" like new trend introduction etc. by HJ. His was the trend of ARR. Please bare in mind that im NOT saying Minnalae is bad or worthless.
  
  In IRs list I would like to add Kavikuyil, KoilPura, Kozhikoovudhu, Johny, AlaigaLoiyadhillai, Mounaraagam, AgniNakshatram, Anjali, Dhalapathy.
  
  In MSV(+TKR)'s number I can instantaneously say two films 1) Anbae Vaa 2) Pudhiya paravai. I have a problem of identifying films and their songs, esp. for old movies. So better knowledgeble can add to MSV's list.
  
  Also we can add ROJA in the list, because that introduced a new trend in Music composing method in TFM.
  
  
• From: DINESH (@ 168.187.168.66) on: Tue Jan 8 06:04:30 EST 2002
  
  KUPPS U R LIKE SUBBUDU A BIG JOKE - ROJA WAS COPIED FROM INTERNATIONAL MUSIC -ITS NO NEW TREND
  
  
• From: Guess Who (@ 192.11.189.114) on: Tue Jan 8 06:08:33 EST 2002
  
  What is so surprising about Dheena ???? That was just a pretty ordinary score which followed the established trends....
  And i can add innumerable number of films in ARR list... ARR has done some sort of experimentation, improvisation or innovation in every film he worked in, so far...
  
  
• From: Guess Who (@ 192.11.189.114) on: Tue Jan 8 06:14:06 EST 2002
  
  Dinesh,
  If Roja is not a new trend, how come Annakili is... As if folk tunes were not existing in TN before Ilayaraja stepped in and invented it... You are an even bigger joke...
  Just because ARR uses sophisticated equipments, he wont become a copycat...Dont jump to conclusions...
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 210.186.60.65) on: Tue Jan 8 06:40:00 EST 2002
  
  annakili is nothing when compared to roja
  
  people still listen to roja unlike annakili
  
  
• From: ec (@ 141.14.139.162) on: Tue Jan 8 06:41:12 EST 2002
  
  guess who - well said! IMO MSV, IR and ARR have done stunning contributions worth appreciating. Others, I am sorry!
  
  
• From: IR-fan (@ 128.107.253.44) on: Tue Jan 8 06:44:40 EST 2002
  
  The following are the portion of an article titled "Music for the people" that appeared on
  The Hindu dated "06-01-2002". I believe this partially related to this thread if not
  completely.
  
  from the article.....
  
  No other artiste's career symbolises the popularity and hold of film music, as does Ilayaraja's. He has been at work in Tamil cinema for 25 years and has composed music for more than 800 films in five languages. For the Tamil diaspora, Ilayaraja has emerged as a cultural force.
  
  Ilayaraja came on the scene 45 years after film music had first appeared. When he entered Tamil films in the mid 1970s, there was stagnation, in film music and in the type of films that were being made. Ilayaraja's innovative creations came as a whiff of fresh air. The song that made him famous in his debut film "Annakili" (1976) "Annakili Unnai Theduthu" (Annam is looking out for you) was authentically folk and soon was playing throughout Tamil Nadu. The film "Kavikuyil" (1977) stabilised his position in the film world.
  
  There are three elements of Ilayaraja's music, the first is the folk music of the Tamils, such as the work songs and march songs. The second is Carnatic music and the third European classical music. Folk music has been used earlier, but quite functionally through classical music idiom. Ilayaraja brought it in with its soul, with its earthy, rooty characteristics. He used authentic instruments like tharai and thappattai (drums). In many films he has demonstrated his skill over Carnatic music, handling some difficult ragas. In 1989 when the Classical Musicians Forum honoured him, Ilayaraja pointed out that classical musicians were not being innovative and were parroting the same ragas and songs. He went on to point out that film musicians, just to survive, have to be creative.
  
  When he came to Madras in search of fortune, he learnt Western music and quickly became familiar with Western Classical. In fact when Ilayaraja went for his first audition in 1968, the piece that he played on his harmonium was Laura's theme from the film "Dr. Zhivago." Much later, in 1989 after dominating the film music scene for a decade, he brought out his first independent album "How To Name It" in which he established his mastery in fusion music. One critic (C.S.G. Prasad) has suggested four factors as the basis of Ilayaraja's success as a music director: his fidelity to the form he chooses, whether it is folk or classical, his musical imagination that provides evocative background score, his sense of harmony which keeps each song under control as it were and lastly his brilliant orchestration.
  
  But most of all, Ilayaraja's understanding of the role of music in films is what set him apart. He realises that film music is not just music placed on the sound track of a film and that it should not be created as if it was a mere aural experience, isolated of the images of a film. It is applied music. It has to integrate with the narrative, not intrude upon it. It has to go with the images that appear on the screen and enhance the quality of cinema. It is part of a viewing experience. To achieve this, the music director should be familiar with the aesthetics of cinema, with its form and with its possibilities.
  
  In cinema, a good music composer is not necessarily a good music director. Ilayaraja's comprehension of cinema is evident in his background scores, which add a new dimension to it. He pays closer attention to this aspect as few have done before. He watches the film fully, grasps the basic thrust of the film and adds appropriate musical score in the soundtrack. Ilayaraja has shown that just as imaginative lighting could enhance the visuals and their cinematic quality, so can background music. This can be pointed out as his defining influence. One film in which this is evident is Balu Mahendra's "Veedu." The film had no song. He also composes music to suit the lead characters of a particular film. This is new to Tamil cinema,. He says that he tries to understand the character, her/ his inner feelings and then decides on the appropriate music and instruments that would go with the particular character.
  
  The director of the film "Bharathi" told me that when he showed him the film script and screened the rushes, Ilayaraja was quick to grasp that the liet motif of the film was the poet's famous lines "Having crafted a fine Veenai, would you fling it, so its timbre is ruined, in the dust"? In the last scene, this song has been placed as an off screen voice. At a poignant moment Ilayaraja joins in with his mellifluous voice to close the song and the film.
  
  
  
• From: ec (@ 141.14.139.162) on: Tue Jan 8 06:50:31 EST 2002
  
  Let me make my statement clear - by listening to a song you can guess whether it is MSV's, IR's or ARR's. They have individuality. Others do music according to the present trend; don't follow a particular style, no innovations (with very few exceptions now and then). The one other md who has his own trend is SR, but routine and boring!
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.26) on: Tue Jan 8 07:16:55 EST 2002
  
  One surprise (I would call extremely different from what was hitherto TFM) is nenjathai kiLLAdhE. It was much ahead of it's time...uRavenum pudhiya vAnil had the kind of `ambience' much similar to the innovations that ARR is credited with nowadays...
  
  similar surprise was `moondRAm piRai'...esp. poongAtRu & vAnengum...very different from TFM till date..these songs, if recorded with today's equipments (without changing a single musical note) could easily be recognized as `innovative score of ARR':-)
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 203.199.207.198) on: Tue Jan 8 07:39:14 EST 2002
  
  eden,
  For a long time i thought only "paruvamey" the only good song in NK.But only a few months back i had the great opportunity to listen to that gem "uravenum pudhiya vaanil"..really hooking song..marupadi marupadi ketka thoondum vitham...i dont know what IR has done technically innovative in it..but the feeling was very different when we hear it..
  
  
• From: vinayak (@ 202.88.143.72) on: Tue Jan 8 09:06:40 EST 2002
  
  Manmatha Maasam from Paarthale Paravasam is another good experiment
  
  
• From: Ganapati (@ 172.190.0.121) on: Tue Jan 8 09:48:47 EST 2002
  
  Idhu Kadhala is a good experiment from Thulluvatho Ilamai by YSR.A real change from the usual western stuff churned out by ARR and HJ!
  
  
• From: DINESH (@ 168.187.168.42) on: Tue Jan 8 11:27:25 EST 2002
  
  GUESS WHO
  IM SURE U WERE NOT BORN WHEN ANNAKILI WAS RELEASED -ASK UR DAD AT THAT TIME THE SONGS OF ARADHANA WERE MORE POPULAR IN TAMILNADU THAN ANY MSV SONG-THE INNOVATION OF RAAJA WAS TO BRING THE MUSIC OF TAMILS AND TILL TODAY HINDI FILM MUSIC IN TAMILNADU HOLDS A VERY LITTLE PERCENTAGE COS A TAMILIAN RECOGNISES HIS OWN MUSIC THANKS TO RAAJA.INNOVATION IS SOMETHING WHICH IS NEVER DONE BEFORE AND WAT ARR IS DOIN HAS BEEN DONE IN SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER WAY BACK -IM SURE U KNOW WAT SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER IS-SO THE ONLY MD WHOS BROUGHT A CHANGE IS RAAJA IN TFM
  
  
• From: to dinesh (@ 132.235.18.139) on: Tue Jan 8 11:57:17 EST 2002
  
  Oh, yeah, I heard Kaadhal rojave, Narumugaye, Raasathi En usuru, Kandukondein etc.. type os songs in Saturday Night Fever, and travolta was very good at dancing to these numbers. Thanks for reminding. (I think u get what I am implying)
  
  
• From: Breath-Taker (@ 207.46.125.17) on: Tue Jan 8 12:55:16 EST 2002
  
  "Good Music" is very relative. Usually good music is recognized by the mass appeal it gets. The bigger the crowd and larger the coverage, better is the music. And Trend setters are those who were able to get back the mass appeal of Tamil music when it was dwindling.
  
  In that way, Ilaiyaraaja came in when people were looking elsewhere for good music. He made Tamilians listen to Tamil Music and was good at that.
  
  Again, as people get bored, the dwindling happened once again. This time, it was A.R.Rahman's turn.
  
  (My Two cents) In this trend, A.R.Rahman went a little higher in making even the North-Indians listen to music that came from Tamil Nadu.
  
  Every music director has done his best in spreading good Music through Tamil Nadu and beyond. The new music directors use the already established dais to venture into unexplored territories. Some are successful - some are not.
  
  M.S.V gets the maximum credit - because he barely had any predecessors - and whatever he did was trend-setting in those days.
  
  The next trend-setter is Ilaiyaraaja who came at the right time to tickle our music senses - and proved music is much more than what people think it is.
  
  Now, it's the trend of A.R.Rahman. He should be credited for mixing Western music with folk roots - again proving music is boundless.
  
  Everyone else is also striving hard to set trends - but are not so successful as the trio.
  
  Comments welcome. No flaming please.
  
  
• From: Nalini (@ 172.191.45.48) on: Tue Jan 8 13:48:02 EST 2002
  
  Breath-Taker, I agree that the trio you mentioned have done well in setting trends, but you cannot say the upcoming MD's now are not so successful.You must see that ARR is only at this position after 11 years in the industry.Most other MD's have been around for maybe 3- 4 years.
  The next trendsetter who is going to come up with a bang is YSR.He will the the next addition to this trio.I say this because he is the only MD currently to produce varieties of music which have all been hits.He has his own original style and is able to handle western and classical and traditional music. You can see his range when looking at his projects.
  1.Nandha
  2.Thulluvatho Ilamai
  3.Manathai Thirudi Vittai
  4.Dheena
  5.Poovellam Ketuppar
  6.Rishi
  7.Unakaga Ellam unakaga
  You cannot say that any of these albums have not been a hit.And they are all original works.
  
  
  
  

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