Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-147.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Thu Jul 16 22:36:14 EDT 1998.
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Yuvan Shankar raja's interview in KUMUDAM SPECIAL June '98 Issue.
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- From: bb (@ grieg.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Sat Apr 29 19:29:23 EDT 2000
STS, gokul's post was 2 years ago:-)
- From: rahul (@ 203.101.101.92)
on: Sun Apr 30 01:07:30 EDT 2000
guys, i am speaking in general. illayaraga is genius but arrogant. But a.r.rahman, i guess from the past years have been very humble to his critics and has shut everone's mouth from his blasting music. I guess that's why they say 'those who know much talk less and those who know little talk much'. I hope i am not offending anyone here. Thank-you
- From: Athi (@ ip33.schiller-park8.il.pub-ip.psi.net)
on: Sun Apr 30 02:06:08 EDT 2000
Rahul,
When ARR makes statements like "he never has
copied from anyone till now", Do you think
he is humble? Already when he copies, it is
called as inspiration in this forum and people
run out out of adjectives to praise it.
Looks like a new meaning to the word humble like the word copy before.
One thing nice in your posting is your description of ARR's music as blasting. Yes, it
blasts people's ears !
Athi
- From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9)
on: Sun Apr 30 14:33:46 EDT 2000
Athi:
What do you expect from ARR ? Declare that he has copied ? Let know of all the "resources" he has used so that people will call him "humble" ? do you think he thinks it is important to be "humble" (like Deva) ?
- From: STS (@ ip48.san-francisco28.ca.pub-ip.psi.net)
on: Sun Apr 30 18:10:58 EDT 2000
MS,
I think ARR is pretending as humble. May be I am wrong. Why I am saying this is because after VM's statement about ARR's music overshadowing lyrics, it seems ARR told his staff not to allow VM in his studio. I don't think it is a humble gesture.
Another point though he was a keyboard player for IR, he never mentioned it (may be once or twice, that too I am not sure)
And in many interviews he has mentioned that he listened to MSV, SAR etc, etc., (I didn't see IR's name there).
Well, What do we mean by humble? or What do we mean by IR as arrogant? Speaking openly (or down to earth) is arrogant? For a genius like IR, composing is cheating (mixing many raagas and giving it in filmi style) For others it is business. As IR said 'music is his life; not his business'. For others it is otherway around.
Well, for selling music I did not see even Deva or someone else changing their hair style! Sorry I changed track here.
- From: paandee (@ 129.252.28.153)
on: Sun Apr 30 21:25:00 EDT 2000
where can I find the songs of "The Blast" album?
can anyone help me!!!!
- From: paandee (@ 129.252.28.153)
on: Sun Apr 30 21:25:29 EDT 2000
where can I find the songs of "The Blast" album in the web??
can anyone help me!!!!
- From: S (@ wwwgate31.motorola.com)
on: Mon May 1 02:20:41 EDT 2000
>> do you think he thinks it is important to be "humble" (like Deva) ?<<
The point is he acts as if he were an angel...that sux....stmt like I've never listened to enigma, Dr.alban and all is pure bull*shitting...
- From: STS (@ ip146.san-francisco29.ca.pub-ip.psi.net)
on: Wed May 3 01:53:19 EDT 2000
Pandee,
You can listen to The Blast album from my site http://www.vikadan.com
Click on Karthik and Yuvan Shankar Hits section
- From: KK (@ 192.135.245.144)
on: Thu May 4 01:35:59 EDT 2000
Rahul,
You are a moron.
Where did you find IR's arrogance?
- From: Athi (@ ip37.schiller-park8.il.pub-ip.psi.net)
on: Sun May 7 02:10:25 EDT 2000
Iam surprised that some regular tfm forumers
haven't posted in this thread.
Otherwise we would have heard reasons for
why ARR's music is the best and why we should
not conclude that he has copied. They will
start using some musical notations to prove
that ARR is not the only one who is copying.
May be they don't listen to YSR's music.
Ironic considering that they advise people
in IR New Albums thread to listen to
other MD's music !
Athi
- From: NagaS (@ fw.baan.nl)
on: Wed May 10 23:31:54 EDT 2000
YSR's new movie. 'Kaathalaagi., '. Directed by Kasthuri Raja's son.
http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/may2000/11/cinema/new.html
NagaS
- From: Mahesh Kumar (@ )
on: Fri Jun 8 18:49:38 EDT 2001
Athi,
What you said about rahman is true, he never mentioned in interviews that he played in illayaraja's orchestra.
AR's music is highly influenced by the western style. I think he is excels in three aspects.
1. Recording
2. Electronically mixing sounds
3. Adding classical tint to a song.
IR proved himself to be a full range composer by composing for different types of movies.
AR hasn't got a chance still to compose music for a pure classical film. I am waiting for the time to come to see his classical depth.
Mahesh Kumar..............
- From: Vijay (@ 207.212.64.80)
on: Fri Jun 8 20:44:04 EDT 2001
I don't think Indian classical music is ARR's forte, but you never know. He could surprise you with some stunning albums like Duet, KKKK, En Swasa Katre.
- From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183)
on: Sat Jun 9 10:22:49 EDT 2001
Vijay:
Why did you leave Sangamam.? It is a excellent work of ARR on folk side. It is even now very popular.
- From: NagaS (@ 202.62.83.34)
on: Sun Jun 10 06:43:10 EDT 2001
Common Friend,
Except 'mazaiththuLi' song, I don't see any other folk stuff in Sangamam songs (Varaga nadhikkarai looks like a Punjabi song for me :-), Defenitely I won't call it as a tamil folk) as well as BGM., and We have better folk songs from ARR., (Maanooththu manthaiyilay is his best according to me, excellently sung by SPB :-)
- From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183)
on: Sun Jun 10 12:15:48 EDT 2001
NagaS:
I can agree with you for some extend. But, sangamam is a film (supposed to be a great film. thanx to the great director---suresh krishna. I am afraid of the alavandan's fate) where the MD had a job of mixing folk with classical carnatic music. He had several challenges.
1. Music should be much different from thillana moganambal because he would have found from the script that S and TM resemble a lot.
2. He had to compose music for a film story and situation for which IR had set standards in many films.
3. He had to look different from his usual techo-music stuff and the music of the film should sound very native.
4. He had to sustain his supremacy in the industry and had to reach out to so many of his young fans who knew little about folk and pure carnatic music.
So, if you see , his sangamam was a real great effort , where he clearly differentiated from IR' s folk style and gave songs with qwalli, carnatic and folk mixture.
The "varaaga nadhi karai" song falls in this category. But, people who consider themselves as the one and only knowledgable CM critic, mistook this to some copy and without even verifying facts poured in their frustration.
- From: NagaS (@ 202.144.64.163)
on: Mon Jun 11 03:22:48 EDT 2001
Common Friend.,
I agree with you., Sangamam was a good effort from ARR, I liked almost every song in the album.,
But when you consider this album with the movie and its story., I don't think people took it as an album of folk category - Sowkyama and Markazhith thingaL allava are treated as carnatic based songs only - I am not the right person to discuss the musical details here, But still I feel the folkness is missing in the whole album - take 'Muthal muRai' - I wouldn't expect such a song when Hero and Heroine are from a village background - drag and drop it in 'Kaathal desam' or 'Indian' - that song fits there.,
Thats y I mentioned 'Mazaith thuLi' song is the only folk song I could think of., I didn't mention 'Varaaga' as a copy, But it looks like a punjabi song as I mentioned earlier, Viththiyaasam kaattaRathukkaaka, I can't include a 'Aaadaludan paadalaich cherththu' song in Thillaana MoganambaL., Isn't it ?
Take Karagaattak kaaran - a much better copy of Thillaana MoganambaL., IR did excellent job in that movie and the songs are still alive !
When you compare Karagaattak kaaran and Sangamam., I feel Karagaattak Kaaran is a good folk album and Sangamam is just a Good album., All IMHO
- From: NagaS (@ 202.144.64.163)
on: Mon Jun 11 03:23:08 EDT 2001
Common Friend.,
I agree with you., Sangamam was a good effort from ARR, I liked almost every song in the album.,
But when you consider this album with the movie and its story., I don't think people took it as an album of folk category - Sowkyama and Markazhith thingaL allava are treated as carnatic based songs only - I am not the right person to discuss the musical details here, But still I feel the folkness is missing in the whole album - take 'Muthal muRai' - I wouldn't expect such a song when Hero and Heroine are from a village background - drag and drop it in 'Kaathal desam' or 'Indian' - that song fits there.,
Thats y I mentioned 'Mazaith thuLi' song is the only folk song I could think of., I didn't mention 'Varaaga' as a copy, But it looks like a punjabi song as I mentioned earlier, Viththiyaasam kaattaRathukkaaka, I can't include a 'Aaadaludan paadalaich cherththu' song in Thillaana MoganambaL., Isn't it ?
Take Karagaattak kaaran - a much better copy of Thillaana MoganambaL., IR did excellent job in that movie and the songs are still alive !
When you compare Karagaattak kaaran and Sangamam., I feel Karagaattak Kaaran is a good folk album and Sangamam is just a Good album., All IMHO
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53)
on: Mon Jun 11 03:53:35 EDT 2001
"Varaaga" also reminds me of the sound of some extremely old Tamil songs (Bagavathar days ?)......I think there is a common area where folk structures meet.....so I think that we can't brashly write off "Varaaga" as a north folk inspired song...
- From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.179)
on: Mon Jun 11 21:39:24 EDT 2001
NagaS:
I again agree with you to some extend. Karagatta karan is a much better folk album than sangamam (folk only....). But, I don't think music formula like K will work anymore now. Why, few years after K , another film of IR - ramarajan combo - villupattukaran came. It too had some good number. I liked the one in which the whole song is sung without the lips touching each other. But, tell me, was it a musical hit?. It is just the trend that is changing. You have to give folk in a pop fashion. That is was will appeal to the people today. You and me will keep appriciating K for an other decade also, but will hesitate to buy a cassette, if a new film with such music formula comes now.
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53)
on: Mon Jun 11 23:56:30 EDT 2001
>>You have to give folk in a pop fashion. <<<
My thoughts exactly CF !
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