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KAVIYARASU KANNADASAN

Topic started by On behalf of Sankar (@ 210.186.51.129) on Mon Dec 30 07:11:34 EST 2002.
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Kaaviyathayin Illaya magan
Kadhal Pengalin Perun thalaivan
Paamara jaadiyil thani manidan – naan
Padaippadhanal yen per Iraivan

Naan Manida jaadiyai aati vaipen – avar
Maandu vital adhai paadi vaipen
NAAN NIRANDARAM AANAVAN AZHIVADILAI
ENDA NILAYILUM ENAKKU MARANAM ILLAI

These are the great lines of Kaviyarasu Kannadasan in the movie Ratha Thilakam where he acts in the movie singing these lines. ( Song.. Oru Koopayilae yen kudiyiruppu)

What a visionary he was ? Indeed, he is NIRANDARAMAANAVAN.

I share some of my observations about Kavingyar. I want all the fans of HIM to join this discussion and add more quality material in praise of his great works.
This is the only way we pay tributes to this GENIUS.
WILL WE EVER GET BACK A KAVINGYAR LIKE KANNADASAN ??

Read the complete opening post here.

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• From: lav (@ 192.39.39.106) on: Tue Apr 1 06:36:38 EST 2003
  
  Mahendran,
  
  I missed wishing you yesterday, belated happy returns of the day!
  
  Your personal experience is not at all boring, and I am sure you know how we all look forward to your, Manisekaran and other's posting.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 195.188.191.86) on: Tue Apr 1 11:46:12 EST 2003
  
  Mahendraraj and Manisekaran, your contributions are most interesting to read through. Please do continue, with the knowledge that there are visitors to this thread such as myself, in the 'read only' mode.
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ 61.6.39.139) on: Tue Apr 1 21:15:51 EST 2003
  
  
  Kannadasan and Karunanithi were travelling by train heading for Chennai, at a time when both were broke almost to the last coin. They were devoid of financial means to buy even simple meal. Somewhere along the way, a rich north Indian boarded the train, with a basket full of apples. That very sight increased the hunger of both Kannadsan and Karunanithi. When the train stopped at the Jwalerpet junction, the North Indian requested Kannadasan and Karunanithi to look after the apples and went off for a quick lunch. However Kannadasan’s mischievous mind set to work. He quietly gave and idea to Karunanithi to look into the possibility of stealing one or two apples from the basket. Karunanithi objected, saying that they would be put in a very awkward situation should the owner come to know. Karunanithi said the man was already feeling that they were from noble descent and good birth. There was a small time argument between the two. Finally they gave up stealing. Karunanithi gave an alternative idea. Karunanithi felt it would be better to ask him for some apples. But self-pride swelled in them and that prevented them from making that move.
  
  By this time the North Indian came back after lunch, and told Karunanithi and Kannadasan to go for lunch, promising to look after their belongings. Both of them alighted, but had nowhere to go for food, as they only had a few “anas” So both of them decided to put up a false front. After hiding away from the North Indian for some time they bought some beedis (Karunanithi used to smoke in those days) and puffed in front of the North India as if to enable the digestion of the food they were supposed to have consumed. Seeing that the North Indian enquired if they had had a sumptuous meal to which both said “Oh yes. A Very heavy meal indeed” Kannadsan went one step further and said “We had Briyani!.”
  
  This event took place before 1954. That was the the state of financial difficulties they encountered. They were close friends alright. But everything became sour with the movie Illara Jothi.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.7) on: Tue Apr 1 22:41:35 EST 2003
  
  Manisekaran:
  
  They both seemed to have had difficulties associated with 'food' even from the previous night. When Karunanidhi lifted the plate from which they had eaten snacks, they were shocked to find a cobra under it. Interestingly, the cobra made no movements and, particularly, no attempts to escape! Kannadhasan brought a viRagukkattai and killed the snake.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.7) on: Tue Apr 1 22:45:23 EST 2003
  
  SL:
  
  I just saw your note. It was finally Kannadhasan who brought you back here! :)
  
  
• From: Manisekaran (@ 61.6.39.139) on: Tue Apr 1 23:41:01 EST 2003
  
  Sk.
  
  Still not convinced of the death of the snake, they burnt the snake. So, you are aware of this incident in Nadar Mansion. Good. There are many written accounts about the anecdotes in Kannadasan's life. Some are lamentably lacking in details. Its best more heads are put together to recall those memorable days.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: manraja (@ 202.144.73.33) on: Wed Apr 2 00:44:01 EST 2003
  
  this is a fantastic thread , for people like me in twenty's to know about kavignar...
  
  keep up the good work...!!!
  
  regards
  
  
  
• From: manraja (@ 202.144.73.33) on: Wed Apr 2 00:50:05 EST 2003
  
  this is a fantastic thread , for people like me in twenty's to know about kavignar...
  
  keep up the good work...!!!
  
  regards
  
  
  
• From: puvanes (@ 161.142.100.81) on: Wed Apr 2 02:25:17 EST 2003
  
  it is interesting to read this thread on kaviyarasu kannadasan
  anybody know any stories about the relationship between pattukottai kalyanasundram and kaviyarasu
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.7) on: Wed Apr 2 03:06:02 EST 2003
  
  Mani:
  
  Thanks for the further details on the snake! This thread is really bringing out many interesting episodes from Kannadhasan's life.
  
  puvanes:
  
  I think PK and Kannadhasan had a good relationship. I have heard that, once some journalist wrote something very wrong about Kannadhasan and it seems PK beat up that journalist!
  
  Kannadhasan said the following about PK (much after PK passed away):
  
  pattukkOttaiyin maRaivu uNmaiyil enakkErpatta nashtamAgum. enakkendru oru market varuvadhaRku mun, ilakkiya suvaiyuLLa idamAga yArAvadhu sonnAl ennai avar koopidach cholluvAr. grAmeeyap paattukkaLAga irundhAl avaraik kooppidach cholluvEn nAn. pattukkOttaiyAl ERpatta sooniyaththai ennaikkoNdE cinema ulagam nirappitru. idhil enakku ANavam varavillai. AsaiyE perukkeduththadhu.
  
  indha pAttALik kavinjan amudham pOndra pAdalgaLaith thaNNeer pOla pAyavittAn. ivan ezhudha vandha pin nAttup pAdalukkE oru gauravam vandhadhu. pudhiya karuththuk kattiya veeNaiyaip pOla muRukkERiyadhu.
  
  
• From: R. Mahendra Raj (@ 203.106.163.221) on: Wed Apr 2 04:47:47 EST 2003
  
  Thanks for the wishes Lav and the comments and add ons from the others.
  
  SO - Regarding kaviarasar's birthday celebrations - During the seventies it was the order of the day then for kaviarasar's fans and associates to celebrate his birthday anniversary grandly and simultenously at all major towns and cities of Tamil Nad. Politicians (both the ruling as well as opposition) and celeberities were usually invited to officiate and grace these functions.
  
  Mani, re - the song "Ettaduku maazhigayil' ('Paatha Kaanikkai' 1962).
  
  According to a very close source of kaviarasar this song was written for a different situation. There used to be a Brahmin family who lived in kaviarasar's neighbourhood. The lady of the house used to frequent kaviarasar's house and pour out her matrimonial woes to him (kaviarasar) which was related to sexual inadequacies. Just to pacify her he wrote this song and assured her that at least she could find some relief in it. The 'ettadukka maazhigai' here refers to the 'madisaar' saree (expertly tied to form 8 layers) usually worn by Brahmin ladies.
  
  Folks, try and read between the lines to decipher the raison de' etre of this song!
  
  If I am not mistaken kaviarasar had had mentioned about this Brahmin lady in one of his books. This lady still went to him for advice and realising her predicament and his inability to do anything he just advised her to accept her fate and wake up to the reality that what she is undergoing now is because of her previous birth karma.
  
  There were a few songs which were considered vulgar by the authorities and heading the list was "Vaarai en thozhi vaaraiyo" ('Pasamalar' 1961) for the line "malaraatha pennun malarum". The authorities relented later when it was proved that the literary effect overshadowed the subtle meaning.
  
  We will address this topic later.
  
  Puvanes, re - Kaviarasar and Pattukottai Kalyanasundram.
  
  Contrary to popular belief both of them were best of pals during their respective career days. Although the latter had only written 189 songs until his untimely death at 29 years nevertheless it were all gems.
  
  It was Pattukottai Kalyanasundram who, upon realising that kaviarasar had had no control over his money, took the liberty to save a portion of his (kaviarasar's) earnings to build the now defunct Kavitha Hotel for the latter's future. Kaviarasar had publicly acknowledged this fact.
  
  At a time (late fifties) when lyricists were paid meagrely for their works it was MGR who fought hard for kaviarasar to be remmunerated with higher rates commensurating his writing skills. The rates were accordingly raised for Pattukottai too.
  
  There was one incident involving both these legends. The producer of a film refused to pay his due respect for kaviarasar which annoyed Pattukottai to the extent that he nearly slapped him! Such was their friendship.
  
  When Pattukottai died in 1959 kaviarasar was overcome with uncontrollable grief and while crying he penned a very long tribute to his dear friend.
  
  More later folks!
  
  
  
• From: R. Mahendra Raj (@ 203.106.49.202) on: Wed Apr 2 10:03:48 EST 2003
  
  Hi! folks still more on the film 'Paatha Kaanikkai' (1962).
  
  Kaviarasar simplified a song of Pattinathaar and re-wrote iT as "Veedu varai uravu Veethi varai manaivi" and it became a hit of sorts after "Ponaal Pogattum podaa" ('Paalum Pazhamum' (1961) and "Padaithaanae manithanai Aandavan padaithanae" ('Nichiya Thamboolam '1961) for its sober philosophical content.
  
  When praises after praises were showered upon him for this song he duly declared that the credit should rightly go to Pattinnithaar. At the same time he was also queried as to why he changed Pattinithaar's line. The line in Pattinithaar's song read as "kadasiyil kooda varuvathu nam seytha paavamum punniyumthaan" or words to that effect ("we take with us our good deeds and sins during the final journey"). But kaviarasar re-wrote it as "kadaisi varai yaaro?" ("who will follow us to the end?").
  
  He candidly pointed out that Pattinithaar being a saint had the right to conclude such and he, after all being a mere mortal, had had no right to say that. What humbleness!
  
  In this film ('Paatha Kaanikkai') all the other songs became hits too such as "Kaathal enbathu ethuvarai?" (another qustion & answer song, Sankar) and "Poojaikku vantha malare vaa". "Veedu varai uavu" and "Poojaiku vantha malarae vaa" later became film titles.
  
  It is pertinent to mention herein that some scholars believe that Kannadhasan is a reincarnation of Pattinnithaar Adigal. Kaviarasar devoted one whole volume on the life of Pattinithaar and reading it one gets blended in that period of time. The lifestyles of both of them bore some common identities and they also belonged to the same community.
  
  Perhaps some seers could shed some light on this theory.
  
  More next folks!
  
  
  
• From: puvanes (@ 161.142.100.81) on: Thu Apr 3 01:03:21 EST 2003
  
  I can't attend Kannadasan's 70th birthday celebration organised by jasmine promotions on 26-9-96 because i was busy with my form two studies.In the function they provided a small book about kannadasan and his kavithaigal i don't know whether this book was provided or sold out.anyway i want to share the 35th page of this book with the thread readers.this was written by kaviyarasu kannadasan one year before he die
  
  POI VARUGIREN
  
  En iniya nanbargale!
  thooimayaana unggal ithayanggalai konjam intha pakkam thiruppunggal.Nallor uraigalai kaettu kaettu melliya panbu padaittha unggal sevigalai thiranthu vaitthu kollunggal.
  unggal vaanatthil irunthu oru natchatthiram vizhunthu viodappogirathu. Unggal solaiyil irunthu oru kuyil kankaanaa ulagattirku paranthu sella pogirathu.
  Unggal malar thottatthil irunthu oru malar uthirnthuvida pogirathu.
  unggal koottatthil kattappattu iruntha nandri mikka or uruvam, than kattugalai avizhtthuk kondu poivida pogirathu.
  thanakkena vaazhnthu pazhakkam illaathathu endru unggalaal sollappatta or ithayatthai, neenggal izhanthuvidap pogireergal.
  avan aayul migavum kurugiyathu.
  antha vagaiyil avan solvathu thappaathu.
  avan kathai mudiyumbothu, neenggal anaivarum uyirodu iruppeergal.
  unggal tholgalileye avan sava oorvalam pogattum.
  thaanda mudiyaatha unggal anbu veliyai avan thaandi kondu odap pogiraan.
  adarntha kaadum, pasumai niraintha maranggalum manam parappum malargalum sala salavena odikondu irukkum nathiyum antha nathiyin karaiyil ulla azhagiya siru illamum amaithiyai naadum avan kangalukku therinthu kondu irukkindrana.
  avan ini, thani manithan.
  aanaal...
  entha moolaiyil irunthaalum, avan unggalaye sinthitthuk kondu iruppaan.
  kannanggariya kaaganggalayum kuyilgalayum kaanum pothum, chekkachivantha sempotthu paravaigalai paarkkum pothum unggal anaippile avan magizhnthu kondu iruntha inbagaramaana naatkalai enni kondu iruppaan.
  kanavugalilum ninaivugalilum eliya kavithaigalai paditthu kondu iruntha avanathu ullam unggalukkaagave eanggik kondirukkum.
  avan eppothum unggal nanban.
  neenggal avanai maranthu vidalaam
  nicchayamaaga avan unggalai marakkamaattaan. ini yaarudaya maaligayilum avan manamaganaaga kaatchi tharamaattaan.
  vaeru evanudaya sannithaanatthilum avan bagthanaaga nirtkamaattaan
  mudiyumaanaal, avan pazhaya bagthargalukku theivamaaga vilangguvaan.
  chozha chakravarthiyin maaligaiyai pola, paadum paanar oottamum, parisil perum pulavar koottamum, nanbar koottamum niraintha than kavithai maaligaiyil, avan ini thatthuva kanavugal kandu kondiruppaan.
  
  thanks for the info on the relationship between pattukottai and kaviyarasu
  
  

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