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Topic started by MATHURESHAN (@ 213.59.173.56) on Sun Jun 24 04:23:29 EDT 2001.
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HI GUYS IT IS VERY HARD TO GIVE ANSWER

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From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Sun Jun 24 13:14:39 EDT 2001

then why question ?
From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Sun Jun 24 13:36:01 EDT 2001

SPB = MGR
KJY = Sivaji

Still want to compare?
From: shaNmugam (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Sun Jun 24 16:19:37 EDT 2001

STS,

Popularity-wise I agree with you. However, if you take versatility then,

1) SPB - siVaji ganEsan
2) KJY - MGR
From: S T S (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Sun Jun 24 23:25:22 EDT 2001

shaNmugam :-)
From: mahesh (@ 202.9.148.141) on: Mon Jun 25 00:10:08 EDT 2001

spb is versatil. kjy is melodious.
From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Jun 25 03:23:23 EDT 2001

shaNmugam

again in a different definition of versatality(within Tamizh Filmdom) we can say SPB is MGR and KJY is Sivaji.

Coz, MGR knew acting(i know what you are going to say but still he is a very good actor), camera, stunt, dance, music, singing, direction etc.
From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Jun 25 03:52:42 EDT 2001

but in general,

this question SPB-ya, KJY-sa

reminds me the saraswathi sabadham song, kalviya selvama veerama. SPB and KJY are like two eyes for a human.

now im waiting some one to shoot up questions, who is left eye and who is right eye, and which eye is better left or right...

:-)
From: (^!^) (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Mon Jun 25 11:51:57 EDT 2001

rendu pErum illai. Suresh Peters thaan first!
From: ihta aka tiodi (@ 206.112.114.81) on: Mon Jun 25 13:04:36 EDT 2001

(^|^) how can you miss ravi manian, being hisfan , you are an ungrate ful fan of ravi manian, this forum only supports arr, he is irresponsible . There are some genuiuses in this forum who will calim arr the best.
From: sundar (@ 203.197.144.217) on: Tue Jun 26 03:52:01 EDT 2001

KJY's Voice was his asset.it had a lot of melody and depth but not suitable for higher octaves and forceful numbers. But some KJY lacked variation in his rendering. and in the last 2 years he has lost his voice presumably due to some throat illness.

SPB scores over KJY by the sheer range,variation,'gamaka's and emotional delivery. he has been able to maintain his voice despite over singing.perhaps in the melody deparment alone he may be next only to KJY
From: sundar (@ 203.197.144.217) on: Tue Jun 26 03:53:01 EDT 2001

KJY's Voice was his asset.it had a lot of melody and depth but not suitable for higher octaves and forceful numbers. But somehow KJY lacked variation in his rendering. and in the last 2 years he has lost his voice presumably due to some throat illness.

SPB scores over KJY by the sheer range,variation,'gamaka's and emotional delivery. he has been able to maintain his voice despite over singing.perhaps in the melody deparment alone he may be next only to KJY
From: Raghu (@ ) on: Thu Mar 18 09:46:06 EST 2004

Sundar,

I agree with you on this point

>>SPB scores over KJY by the sheer range,variation,'gamaka's and emotional delivery. he has been able to maintain his voice despite over singing.perhaps in the melody deparment<<

But, I do not agree with you on this point

>>alone he may be next only to KJY<<,

the reason being is that, KJY mainly sang, Devotional, Carnatic, & Melodious types of song, while SPB sang every type of songs,in fact, SPB sang much more melody types of songs than KJY under the banner of IR, which if you listen to it carefuly, it is better than KJY's melodies.

KJY is very good at sad songs though!
From: r (@ 199.67.140.20) on: Thu Mar 18 13:06:17 EST 2004

how do you compare TMS with SPB or KJY?
From: Raghu (@ 193.129.245.198) on: Mon Mar 22 07:14:44 EST 2004

R,

This is how I would rate TMS

Dr.SPB>Dr.KJY>TMS
From: vetrivel (@ 164.100.73.34) on: Mon Mar 22 08:42:43 EST 2004

THIS question is like "apple, or orange, which is better/tastier?". i would say it depends on your taste. the following are my observations.
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1. SPB is more popular.
2. KJY is more melodious.
3. Versatality: KJY is more versatile because he has made the crossover (thought to be impossible)between classical-light musical genres. this versatality was totally devoid of artificial devices (e.g. throwing the voice, mimicking etc). he excelled in classical/ semi classical/ devotional/ melodious/ light music genres.
4.SPB's versatality is more evident/visible to the public, because he excelled in melodious and fast/folk numbers, for which there is a wider audience. in this he is non-pareil. but there is something steriotype in this versatality (never mind the contradiction), because it is achieved by the same device viz., a light chuckle as he sings along, and a tremendous, creditable skill in mimicking. KJY could not sing such songs for life.
5.KJY should be assessed for songs upto 1996, except for some flashes of brilliance in the following period. mind, he is pushing 65 (sunder, age, not illness of throat is the reason). SPB is 7 years younger, and is still going strong, even better than earlier.
6. SPB could have been a classic singer if he trained, but now it is too late.
7. KJY has sung over 1000 songs in TAMIL (including non-filmi bathi padalkal. you can buy these 1000 songs in two paperback volumes on payment stalls anywhere in Taminadu). out of this around 400 songs were only average. 300 songs will last as middling hits. around 200 are immortal, will be around after say, a century.
8. SPB sang around 3000 songs (average output of 100 songs per year spanning 30 years). out of this, around 1000 songs were average. around 1800/1900 were middling hits which would last. around 200 are immortal, will be around after say, a century.
9. SPB is a singer in the dominat TFM or true TAMIL tradition (despite his roots), whereas KJY is not.
.
i do not venture to say who is better (orange or apple ?).
.
vetrivel
From: vetrivel (@ 164.100.73.34) on: Mon Mar 22 08:48:17 EST 2004

SORRY! read "dominant" in the last item (no.9).
.
vetrivel
From: Raghu (@ 193.129.245.198) on: Tue Mar 23 07:28:14 EST 2004

Vetrivel,

excellent posting!, I agree with your points!, except when u say dr,KJY is more melodious, I don't think, so, both are equally melodious, but Dr.SPB enchances the melody with his unique chuckle as you have mentioned :)
From: harikrishnan (@ 155.69.5.234) on: Sat Mar 27 03:39:06 EST 2004

KJY is unparallelled in Indian film music!. The most versatile,talented,melodious singer. I agree that SPB is more popular than KJY in Tamil.(popularity is based on appreciation and not based on real talent). The comparison for the best singer should be based on all kinds(languages) of songs, so a rating based on Tamil film songs is truly impartial. KJY has almost 40000 songs in all the languages!. Listening to his Hindi songs. Gori tera.. and Jab deep Jale ana..leave one spellbound and have achieved universal appraisal. "Sindhubhairavi" is only needed to rate KJY over SPB in Tamil. I truly believe that if KJY had sung in Sankarabharanam, the songs would have been ultimate.(I don't say that SPB has done injustice to those songs, SPB is great, but KJY is greatest!) KJY goes to high octaves with much ease!. His base voice power can be realised if you listen to Malayalam film songs!. Tamil film industry has failed to explore KJY's potential whereas Malayalam succeeded. Before debating on this, please listen to "Ottakkambi nadam" in film "Thenum Vayambum"(Malyalam). The list of KJY's hit songs are endless, multiples of 3000 mentioned in the site.
From: sundar (@ 61.11.75.120) on: Sat Mar 27 04:19:44 EST 2004

Harikrishnan

Hold on ! KJJ is a legend.His voice had great melody value. he came to film music after a good grounding in Carnatic Music. He did sing many immortal and unparallel numbers. Yet he sounded most melodious only in the lower and middle sthayi.Further he could not sing all types of songs. He certainly lagged behind in SPB or Rafi in variety. SPB's has innate ability to produce gamakams and brikkas with ease. He is equally at ease in singing higher octave or middle or lower. IMHO only Rafi had an edge over SPB as far reaching higher octave is concerned. While TMS in his younger days had a high pitched voice, he did not match Rafi in melody value. But in terms of singing for different actors SPB is matchless. Even in 2003/04 he sings for Vijay for example. He has an ever green voice with terrific emotive value, full range and of course melody.

Hence SPB certainly rules even today.IMHO he should still more songs than some of the upstarts in TFM today.
From: harikrishnan (@ 155.69.5.223) on: Sun Mar 28 03:28:55 EST 2004

Sundar:
"SPB's has innate ability to produce gamakams and brikkas with ease."

I agree with this point as SPB didn't have training in Classical music.I don't know why he didn't take up any during his span of 30 yrs in film music.

"Yet he sounded most melodious only in the lower and middle sthayi.Further he could not sing all types of songs. He certainly lagged behind in SPB or Rafi in variety."

If this opinion is based on tamil film songs, I agree. As I mentioned earlier, KJY doesn't have songs in Tamil which explores his unparallelled(sorry, this word must be used once his song is heard!)talent of producing gamakas (except for Sindhubhairavi). He has mostly melodies and sad songs in Tamil.One must listen to Malayalam and Hindi songs if KJY for for his grandiloquent rendition. A few examples(apart from I mentioned earlier)..

1. Ramakatha Ganalayam (Bharatam(Malayalam))
2. Pramadavanam(His Highness Abdulla(Malayalam))
3. Shyam rang ranga re..(Hindi)
4. Kalaivaniye..(Tamil)(Sindhubhairavi)
5. Ottakambi nadam..(Malayalam)
6. Srivinayakam..(Bharatam(Malayalam))
7. Nadabhramhattn..(Malayalam)
8.Teri tasvir Ko...(Hindi)
9. Neeraduvan..(Malayalam)

The list is endless...
From: harikrishnan (@ 155.69.5.223) on: Sun Mar 28 03:29:04 EST 2004

Sundar:
"SPB's has innate ability to produce gamakams and brikkas with ease."

I agree with this point as SPB didn't have training in Classical music.I don't know why he didn't take up any during his span of 30 yrs in film music.

"Yet he sounded most melodious only in the lower and middle sthayi.Further he could not sing all types of songs. He certainly lagged behind in SPB or Rafi in variety."

If this opinion is based on tamil film songs, I agree. As I mentioned earlier, KJY doesn't have songs in Tamil which explores his unparallelled(sorry, this word must be used once his song is heard!)talent of producing gamakas (except for Sindhubhairavi). He has mostly melodies and sad songs in Tamil.One must listen to Malayalam and Hindi songs if KJY for for his grandiloquent rendition. A few examples(apart from I mentioned earlier)..

1. Ramakatha Ganalayam (Bharatam(Malayalam))
2. Pramadavanam(His Highness Abdulla(Malayalam))
3. Shyam rang ranga re..(Hindi)
4. Kalaivaniye..(Tamil)(Sindhubhairavi)
5. Ottakambi nadam..(Malayalam)
6. Srivinayakam..(Bharatam(Malayalam))
7. Nadabhramhattn..(Malayalam)
8.Teri tasvir Ko...(Hindi)
9. Neeraduvan..(Malayalam)

The list is endless...
From: Raghu (@ 193.129.245.198) on: Mon Mar 29 05:36:39 EST 2004

Sundar,

>>He certainly lagged behind in SPB or Rafi in variety. SPB's has innate ability to produce gamakams and brikkas with ease. He is equally at ease in singing higher octave or middle or lower. IMHO only Rafi had an edge over SPB as far reaching higher octave is concerned. While TMS in his younger days had a high pitched voice, he did not match Rafi in melody value. But in terms of singing for different actors SPB is matchless. Even in 2003/04 he sings for Vijay for example. He has an ever green voice with terrific emotive value, full range and of course melody.
<<

very well said.

Harikrishanan,

We are not judging or undermining the great KJY's abilities, but he is far behind SPB or Rafi!!, that is a fact. We are NOT talking about JUST tamil songs, here we are talking about songs in general (Tamil, Telugu, Kanda, Hindi, tulu oriya , bengali, ..etc)!!!

Shankaraparanam any day is far better than sindhu bhairavi at any stage, SPB not knowing carnatic music, excelled in shankaraparanam which won him a national award, while KJy did not get any national award for sindhu bhairavi!

Had KJY sung Shankaraparanam songs, it would NOT have been such a mega hit, can u imagine KJY singing, ' Shankara ' with the great bass of SPB & the great emotion, he shows in this song???, NO WAY!!!!!!!

KJY at low - mid octaves is excellent, just like SPB, but when he hits a higher note, it sounds nasal & at times, irritating!, while SPB hits the higher note easily (Listen to 'Tere mere beechume','Naanum unthan uravai','Satham Illatha (amarkalam)'.

Now, imagine the variety of Songs SPB would have sung in Telugu!!

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