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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Surya (@ 61.11.81.218) on: Sat Jul 26 02:44:36 EDT 2003
  
  To dinesh ---- whatever may b... chimbu was just telling u that ARR copied.... he never mentioned it was a failure...... first understand the terms and start firing your comments.
  
  
• From: Surya (@ 61.11.81.218) on: Sat Jul 26 02:50:12 EDT 2003
  
  Another magazine Kumudam said about the same Star music that it expected 50,000 cassettes/cds to be sold on the first day of Boys Audio release but the fact is that not even 50 cassettes were sold. First know the right fact and comment. don't hurry up and end.
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.15) on: Sat Jul 26 03:27:18 EDT 2003
  
  Dear Surya...most of ur "fact" are incorrect as well
  first of all..it is not 50K copies...it's 60K...
  I believe the same story of 60K copies and "50" (i dunno where u got this one from) copies sold on the first day..was also published in a website.......
  u trust the bad one...but not the good one...
  Good job..keep it up..
  
  
• From: Whatever (@ 203.87.131.138) on: Sat Jul 26 23:46:59 EDT 2003
  
  Children, play nicely. Why do people get such vicarious pleasure in saying that the sales of an album was pathetic? It has nothing to do with the price of bread.
  
  Talk about the music, man. As is said, "There are lies, damned lies and statistics".
  
  
• From: paranjyothi (@ 210.212.253.78) on: Mon Jul 28 07:22:49 EDT 2003
  
  the song "ENNAI KANAVILLAYE"from "KADHAL DESAM"
  was copied from "ENIGMA".i'm having that song ¬ details
  
  
• From: paranjyothi (@ 210.212.253.78) on: Mon Jul 28 07:22:55 EDT 2003
  
  the song "ENNAI KANAVILLAYE"from "KADHAL DESAM"
  was copied from "ENIGMA".i'm having that song ¬ details
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.80.6) on: Mon Jul 28 07:52:44 EDT 2003
  
  my current favourite "Dhevadhayai kandaen" from "Kaadhal kondaen" seems to be similar to the Nescafe tune in a slow motion. :-(
  
  
• From: drop in (@ 203.200.199.155) on: Wed Jul 30 08:32:02 EDT 2003
  
  The song Maan KuttiYe from PriyMaana Thozi seems to have shades of 3 songs,
  Two songs from Mudalvan (uppu karuvaadu + i cant immd remember the other one)and some part seems to be lifted from a old hindi song (Saawan kaa mahinaa pawan karey shor, Lata+Mukesh)
  
  
  
• From: N Teja (@ 131.170.6.141) on: Wed Jul 30 22:14:59 EDT 2003
  
  paranjyothi,
  
  can you atleast name the song. cos i have got a huge collection of enigma songs on my computer. i would like to verify the authenticity of your statement for myself.
  
  N Teja
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.79.43) on: Thu Jul 31 02:13:15 EDT 2003
  
  probably the beats from the Enigma song could hv been lifted??
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Fri Aug 1 14:08:10 EDT 2003
  
  Guys,
  
  The first two lines of Girl friend songs from Boys(Paalpoole pathinaaru) is similar to 'Nattukkoru seithi solla' from Anbe sivam.
  
  Do you guys feels the same?
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.11.98.63) on: Fri Aug 1 19:38:00 EDT 2003
  
  AS,
  It's most likely the same scale of raaga used. In any case the similarity is very slight.
  
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Fri Aug 1 20:08:40 EDT 2003
  
  Is there anybody knows the song vasantha kaalangal Isaindu aadungal.I don't know the movie name. The middle part saranam is the starting of telephone manipol chirippaval ivala(Indian) song. Any one heard the song?.
  
  
• From: Kannan (@ 81.96.64.200) on: Sun Aug 3 17:15:23 EDT 2003
  
  //..Repost from "Kandukondaen Kandukondaen & The Untouchables" thread..//
  
  happened to watch the crime caper "The Untouchables" (directed by Brian De Palma and it won an oscar for sean connery's performance)and couldn't help noticing the familiar tune nearer the end of the movie where after the trial and conviction of Al Capone (De Niro), Agent Eliot Ness (Kevin Costner) sits on his desk and goes through newpaper headlines. From then onwards if you listen to the back ground score (by Ennio Morricone) you'll immediately recognise that it is exactly the same as start of ARR's Kandukondaen Kandukondean song from the movie "Kandukondaen Kandukondean".
  
  Am i the only one to feel the similarity or has any one else got the same opinion? How often do our beloved MDs of TFM get inspired by well known hollywood flicks?
  
  ~:)
  
  
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.11.98.63) on: Sun Aug 3 21:24:37 EDT 2003
  
  xml,
  The song is from rayil payanangalil:
  http://www.dhool.com/html/movie/rayil_payaNangaLil.html
  
  Though the humming at the end of middle saranam is similar to hariharan's humming (starting tune) in telephone manipol, I am not sure of an inspiration here. But ARR likes TR, so maybe a coincidence. But, if it is, then this song must be the most remarkable patchwork of bits and pieces ever assembled!
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Sun Aug 3 22:57:21 EDT 2003
  
  xml:
  
  Composers, in my opinion, need not lift portions for thier 2nd para and interludes. It eventually flows with the opening, which is most often inspired/ lifted. The kind of inspiration you mention, if it exists - I dont recall hearing this song recently, been ages - is a natural outcome...of a song lingering in the memory of a composer when he heard the song while he was young. Its bound to come out in the form of a raaga or a part of song he'c composing in the similar raaga/ metre.
  
  Every composer would have such instances and these do not amount to conscious lifting/ copying.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.76) on: Mon Aug 4 00:57:11 EDT 2003
  
  Karthik S,
  
  What you say is correct for people like IR, Jerry Goldsmith and Bernard Herrmann and many other masters. Sometimes they also do it as homage and sometimes they wanna have fun with their predecessors or colleagues music. They do it consciously and they do it admittedly. These are the Greats. They have no problems coming up with their own compositions. When they pay homage they make it 'clear'.
  
  Not for ARR, Deva and the rest. They are limited when it comes to original composition. Deva copies left right center while ARR does it in his own scheming way. Once when Simi Garewal interviewed ARR on Rendevouz(star world) and asked him abt some English tabloid labelling him "Mozart From The East", his immediate reply was that 'I think Taal set the standard'. Can you believe that? Even he didn't feel humble or coy abt it and accepted title. What's more, what's the connection between Taal's music and Mozart? OR better still, what's the connection between any ARR music and Mozart? Even ARR fans don't dare to use that label when they refer to ARR 'coz they know how ridiculous it is. But Mr.Rahman, known to others as being a gentle and humble person didn't really want to say 'nay' to that title. But still many know where his music comes from and all the dejavu feeling we get when we hear his music.
  
  So therefore, your statement "Every composer would have such instances and these do not amount to conscious lifting/ copying" does not apply to ARR, Deva, An(y) Malik and many others.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Mon Aug 4 01:43:41 EDT 2003
  
  Ambleen:
  
  I understand your point of view. I suppose it all boils down to whether you believe Rahman is humble and honest in his statements. I do!
  
  Also, when Simi was asking him about that wierd title he was merely responding to where it would have started from - in my opinion! But again, if you genuinely do not believe Rahman is honest I perfectly agree that one is bound to think he's pompous. Fair enough.
  
  
• From: !!!!! (@ 68.77.22.143) on: Mon Aug 4 02:50:44 EDT 2003
  
  Karthik: any way you can include Dhak Dhak Karne Laga as Anand Milind' greatest hit thanks to IR?
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.11.98.63) on: Mon Aug 4 12:28:14 EDT 2003
  
  Karthik,
  Are you going to include ARR's humming lift, Saregama in Boys, from Eminem's song?
  
  
• From: Saregama (@ 132.235.228.171) on: Mon Aug 4 15:06:33 EDT 2003
  
  
  Give a break to this Saregama is copied stuff. It is so easy to say Saregama is copied from Eminem, and at the same time if u think, it looks like a silly thing to say so.
  
  Assuming ur playing the song in F minor scale, for a lot of composers, performers the C-G sharp-G-F combination of notes is a pretty normal thing. And this phrase would take a lot of variations with variations in the time values of the notes/ repetition of the notes/ addtion of one or two other notes etc. There is nuthing so great abt it to be copied form somebody else. U can also come up with that phrase, along the course of ur composition/performance, and sometimes unknowingly. If u look properly u can find songs that have this similiar phrase embedded in them somewhere. I can give one example, listen to the first line on the guitar intro from the song Someday by MLTR, u wud find the same phrase. And if u look more u will find others, being repeated at different note values. Give a break to such silly accusations which tend to be more out of frustration than a genuine attempt to cite something copied.
  
  And as a matter-of-fact, given the fact they sound awfully close, if u observe a little closely, the eminem's na-na-na and saregama do differ, by one extra note.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.160) on: Mon Aug 4 15:40:08 EDT 2003
  
  Saregama,
  I am aware of the slight difference in notes. If not copied we can atleast call it an inspiration. Hey, when you are ARR your music very closely scrutinized. I would do it to any composer. NOM.
  
  In fact you are right about this pattern being commonplace, but the way its used makes it too similar to Eminem's tune. He could have used in other ways (with instruments for eg.), but he had to pick the method already employed by Eminem. People have been persecuted on much little inspirations than these, take it easy.
  
  BTW who is MLTR?
  
  
• From: p (@ 207.188.29.244) on: Mon Aug 4 17:31:38 EDT 2003
  
  MLTR - Michael Learns To Rock
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Mon Aug 4 21:36:11 EDT 2003
  
  You people may know or may not.
  The song konjam nilavu from the movie thiruda thiruda is copied from the song "who is it".It is MJ's Dangerous album. Any one know that MJ's song.
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.108) on: Mon Aug 4 22:03:53 EDT 2003
  
  Jag,
  when u asked "BTW who is MLTR"...
  WE KNOW how much western music you listen to...
  
  from now on...i will not listen to comments from u..saying that WE are not exposed to western music...
  
  

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