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Ilaiyaraja before and after 1987.

Topic started by Viswanath S. (@ webgate6.mot.com) on Thu Mar 26 23:55:06 EST 1998.
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I have this feeling that there was a marked change (drop ?) in Ilaiyaraja's music sometime in early 1987. And it has not attained that magic ever since. Comments ...

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Responses:

• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.214) on: Fri Mar 27 00:10:46 EST 1998
  
  i think IR attained his peak after 1987 and has continued to stay there well above others.
  
  vijay
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Mar 27 00:42:05 EST 1998
  
  dEy viswa, ingEyum un theoryA kondu vanthuttayA? :-). Lets see what people have to say... BTW why don't you introduce yourself in the Intros thread?
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Mar 27 00:43:45 EST 1998
  
  Oh I forgot. I tried to entice people to discuss about this some time back. I got very few responses... You can look for that thread in the archives.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Mar 27 00:48:56 EST 1998
  
  This is the thread: http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/17360.13:21:09.html
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Mar 27 00:49:37 EST 1998
  
  Ravi:
  
  Yaar indha dEy viswa Viswanath? Do I know him?
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Mar 27 00:52:56 EST 1998
  
  SSK: He was your advisee at IISc. ME(I) in CSA. Tall, thin chap.
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Mar 27 00:56:16 EST 1998
  
  Ravi:
  
  Oh Yaa, I remember him now.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tj06.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Mar 27 01:59:43 EST 1998
  
  Viswa:
  
  I too remember you very well.
  Do you remember me :-))
  Ilaiyaraja was Isaigyani Ilayaraja before
  1987 and was Dr. Maestro Ilayaraja after 1987 :-)))
  
  
• From: Viswanath S. (@ webgate3.mot.com) on: Fri Mar 27 03:04:32 EST 1998
  
  Ravi :
  Hi ! Good to hear from you again (even if it is thro' this forum :-)).
  
  SSK:
  Hello Sir. As Ravi pointed out, I was your advisee at IISc. I completed my ME(I) in 1997.
  
  Bhaskar:
  I'm sorry I can't quite place you. Could you please give me more details ?
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Fri Mar 27 14:37:13 EST 1998
  
  Viswa:
  
  A = B, B = C, therefore A = C, adhu maadiri
  I know SSK, SSK knows you therefore I know you :-))
  Chae, naan yaen ippadi kadikkuraen :-))))
  
  I was just Kidding :-))) Why don't you introduce
  yourself in the Intros Thread. Thanks.
  
  One more thing, indha maadiri nooL niraya open panniyaachu, discussum panniyaachu. Indha maadiri
  Thread-s mostly dishum dishum-la dhaan pOi mudiyum
  adhunaala why don't you start some thread which
  could lead to more fun type of discussions.
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust233.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Fri Mar 27 17:13:49 EST 1998
  
  Viswanath
  
  Here is a list of movies (year wise) that range from "100 days" to "silver jubilee". Check it out for yourself, from the movies, the songs contained therein. I may have in fact left out some movies.
  There is also a list of movies that had great songs, but not a winner in the market ( i mean the movies)
  
  * denotes veLLi vizhA movies
  
  1987:
  
  yenga ooru pAttukkAran*
  kAdhal parisu
  manadhil uRudhi vEndum
  nAyagan*
  poovizhi vAsalilE
  rettaivAl kuruvi
  
  1988:
  
  agni natchaththiram*
  dharmaththin thalaivan
  guru sishyan
  pAsappaRavaigaL
  sathyA
  unnAl mudiyum thambi
  (rudhravEEnA - telugu)*
  swarnakamalam - telugu
  
  1989:
  
  aboorva sahOdharargaL*
  karagAttakkAran*
  mAppiLLai
  pudhu pudhu arththangaL*
  rAjAthi rAjA*
  varusham 16*
  vetRivizhA
  geethAnjali (telugu)*
  indrudu chandrudu(telugu)
  shiva (telugu)
  
  1990:
  
  anjali*
  arangEtravELai
  kshathriyan
  kELadi kanmani*
  kizhakku vAsal*
  mannan*
  mich. madha. kAma rAjan*
  panakkAran
  pudhuppAttu*
  boppili rAjA (telugu)*
  guru sishyalu(telugu)
  jagadhEka veerudu athilOka sundhari(telugu)(*?)
  kondaveetti donga (telugu)(*?)
  
  1991:
  
  brammA*
  capt prabAkaran*
  chinnathambi*
  dharmadurai*
  dhaLapathi*
  EramAna rOjAvE*
  yen rAsAvin manasilE*
  idhayam*
  
  1992:
  
  chembaruththi*
  chinnakoundar*
  singAravElan*
  dhEvarmagan*
  thirumathi paLanichAmi
  vanna vanna pOOkkaL(100?/*?)
  
  1993:
  
  aranmanaikkiLi
  maRupadiyum
  ponnumani
  thAlAttu
  vaLLi
  vAlter vetrivEl*
  yejamAn
  
  1994:
  
  mahAnadhi
  rAjakumaran
  magaLir mattum
  veerA*
  vanajA girijA
  
  1995:
  
  sathileelAvathi*
  yellAmE yen rAsAthAn*
  
  1996:
  
  nAttuppurappAttu*
  kAlApAni(*?)(malayALam)
  
  1997:
  
  kAdhalukku mariyAdhai(not yet 100?)
  
  List of movies that had great songs since 1987(indha IMO'vai ingE pOttuvidugirEn.....)
  
  pAdu nilAvE
  gunA
  sollathudikkudhu manasu
  soorasamhAram
  gOpura vAsalilE
  oru oorula oru rAjakumari
  pAttu pAdavA
  AVATHARAM
  kOlangaL
  chandralEka
  rAjAvin pArvayilE
  nandhavanaththEru
  kattumarakkAran
  rAman abdullAh
  pAndinAttu thangam - (according to reliable sources, this movie did 100 houseful days next only to Ulagam sutrum vAliban in Asia's largest cinema 'thangam' of Madurai - factor - Maestro Raaja)
  kizhakkum mEtkum
  
  these are movies, songs that i could access immediately, without much researching. any more info? welcome. there are numerous songs that i have left out thanks to my memory!!
  
  Now, Vishwanath, kindly look into all these movies, try to recollect the stars, banners, directors etc., probably you may not do so well! But, you should be able to recollect and rejoice with one thingITS Maestro IlayarAjA's music
  
  Yes, there was a marked change in Maestro IlayarAjA's music after 1987.
  The change that brought us more music, great music, incomparable in the history of tfm!!
  
  Bi.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Krish (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Fri Mar 27 17:57:09 EST 1998
  
  I totally agree with the list of movies listed above. That IR has lost its touch is all a part of an organized campaign against IR. Just listen to Alamarathu Kiliye from Annan a very recent movie. It alone demonstrates the uniqueness and genius of his composition. Also count the number of movies listed above since the nineties. How may other MDs have given such great music for so many songs even in the nineties?
  
  Also, we need to add to the list above the non-movie albums like HTNI, NBW and India 24 Hr, all came out after 87.
  
  If people don't want to listen to IR, just go listen to whoever or whatever you like. But just stop this campaign of false statements and innuendos against him.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Mar 27 23:43:03 EST 1998
  
  Viswa: You have to explain your stand more clearly. Lot of IR/ARR bashing has been going on in this forum.. so IR fans automatically assume that this is an attemp at IR bashing - vide BS's comments. First establish your IR devotion.. and then explain what you meant by this statement. From our earlier discussion I know that you do not intend IR bashing. :-)
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust77.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Sat Mar 28 00:15:43 EST 1998
  
  Ravi
  
  idhukku neenga ippadi yezhudhi irukkalAm:
  
  " appA viswa, pAththuvAppA. indha zookuLLa, bayangaramAna korangallAm irukku. vAzhapazhaththArai thalaikku mElE kAttikittE vAA. illainnA unnai purinjikkAma ellAm gumbalA sEndhu kodharidum! sollittEn jAkradhai!"
  
  no offense ravi, just joking:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Sat Mar 28 00:27:41 EST 1998
  
  Gopal:
  
  sariyaa sonneenga!
  
  Ravi:
  
  Gopal ezhudhiyadhai appadiyE eduththu andha
  forum main page-il Permanent Topics
  title-ukku mElE RED BOLDFACE-il centre paNNi
  "Warning" endrum pOdalaam.
  
  
• From: Viswanath S. (@ 129.188.33.209) on: Sat Mar 28 02:41:32 EST 1998
  
  Ravi :
  Thanks for the caution. I shall be more clear from now on about what I intend to say ...
  
  Gopal :
  Thanks to you too. I get the idea now...
  
  BS and other friends :
  First of all, I wish to make it very clear that I am an ARDENT FAN of Ilaiyaraja (have been one since 1978) and do not intend to criticize his work in any way. In fact, I am one of those who will only be too happy to see him rise to pedestals of fame in the years to come. So, kindly do not take this discussion as a means to spread unkind stuff about IR. Ravi knows only too well about my admiration for IR.
  The point I am trying to make here is the following :
  IR's music continues to be light years ahead of the other MDs of today. (A recent testimony to this is his masterpiece in the Malayalam film "Guru"). So my comparison of IR's music post 87 is not with those of other MDs (the others are nowhere in the picture actually !) but with that of himself before 87.
  There, I feel, has been a difference in his orchestration sometime around the "Enga Ooru Paattukkaran" period. To pin-point the era, between "Kadhal Parisu" and "Per Sollum Pillai", between "Maaveeran" and "Velaikkaran", between "Poo Vizhi Vaasalile" and "Aalappirandhavan". In the movies like "Kadhal Parisu", "Maaveeran", etc., there was a liberal use of the bass guitar in the songs (e.g. "Oru Kiliyin.." from Poo Vizhi...) accompanied by a "gaNeer" percussion effect. This effect was not there in movies like "Per Sollum...", "Velaikkaran", etc. (Of course, there is a lovely number in Velaikkaran "Va va va..") and subsequent movies. Songs from "Enga Ooru.." had less of the bass and gaNeer effect, and more of the flute/tabla combo. (Earlier, even the rural folk-based songs had the bass/gaNeer touch, e,g, "Aayiram Thamarai Mottukkale", "Poongatru Thirumbuma", "Kuyile kuyile", etc)
  Another aspect of this period is the entry of Mano as a singer in a major portion of the songs.
  There was less of SPB (no SPB for a while), and more of Mano.
  Another important turning point of his career around this time was that he did less/no films for the "usual" directors (eg. Bharathiraja, Bhagyaraj, Rajasekar, etc.), which brought people like Chandra Bose into the limelight for a while.
  (That all these people returned to him later is another matter, of course).
  All these events that occurred around early 1987. That is the change that i am trying to point out here. So, just give a bit of thought to the music pattern before this period and subsequently, and let me know what you feel...
  Looking forward to more opinions on this...
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Sat Mar 28 19:20:42 EST 1998
  
  vishwA, (hope you don't mind),
  
  you mentioned change (drop?) in IR's music. If you feel there is a drop, it's a
  matter of taste and any amount discussion will be only useless (and stupid).
  But if you want to discuss about change in his style, read my previous
  posting. And again, even here it is extremely difficult to discuss objectively
  (we would have to do a statistical analysis of how much of what chromaticisms were
  used before and after 1987; are you ready for this? maybe anurAdhA shrIrAm
  who intended to do a ph.d. on IR's music will be of great help here:-)) ).
  Maybe my argument is irrelevant, but that's what I believe.
  
  take it easy Urvashi.
  
  

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