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Raga maligai in TFM

Topic started by Badri Raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on Sun May 17 23:57:43 EDT 1998.
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hi friends,

Time and again we come across songs that have many raagas interlinked to each other. here is an effort to get those songs in a single place and discuss any commonalities between them. i shall kick off by giving 2 raga maligai"s ezhu swarangalukul (abhoorva ragangal) and
oru naal poruma (thiruvilayaidal)

here we go!

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• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu May 21 07:17:23 EDT 1998
  
  Rajaraman & Badri:
  
  Thanks for the input. So a Raagamaalikai is not
  as tight as I thought it is supposed to be. Yes,
  in all the songs listed here, transitions are noticeable.
  However, the transitions in a song such as 'oru
  naaL pOdhumaa' are much much smoother than what you
  see in 'maasilaa nilavE'.
  
  AppuRam enna, ennOda own masaalaa RM oNNai create
  paNNikattumaa? Let me select one line from 6
  different songs and sing them in their respective
  tunes, together, with a continuity...
  
  sivakaami aada vandhaal Natarajan enna seyvaan
  yaar tharuvaar indha ariyaasanam
  mannavan vandhaanadi thOzhi
  nadandhaay vaazhi kaavEri
  kaadhal kasakkudhayyaa
  manmadha leelaiyai vendraar uNdO
  
  
  
  
• From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Sat May 23 07:06:03 EDT 1998
  
  aval oru menagai in sivaranjani was a good RM by SPB (the song was a tamil remake of the original) so no credit for SG but credit goes to them for not tampering with the original in the pretext of putting their stamp
  
  
  
• From: mahesh (@ b13-2.scms.rgu.ac.uk) on: Mon Oct 5 14:36:52 EDT 1998
  
  hi guys,
  there is a song in irumbu thirai (sivaji & vaijenthimala)
  nenjil kudiirrukkum anbaukku in shanmugapriya and kalyani,beutiful piece
  
  
• From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Tue Oct 6 10:47:17 EDT 1998
  
  Geetha: Do you think 'En Veetu thotathil poo ellam' is based on Chenjurutti. To me it sounds more like SankarabaraNam. Esp. at the end of CharaNam.
  
  Oru Raja raniyidam from Sivandha MaN. This may not be carnatic based but the tune keeps changing for every stanza.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Oct 7 11:25:46 EDT 1998
  
  Ravy: 'En Veetu' 'starts in Senjurutti, doesn't the Pallavi sound like 'Nadhavidhu'? It then changes to Hamsadwani and then Kalyani, I believe. I guess the Sankarabarnam sound will occur, also the Kuranji sound.
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ synergy.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Oct 7 22:43:36 EDT 1998
  
  Geetha,
  It sounds like "naadhavindu" but the notes are all in sankarabaranam. So I too think it's not chenjurutti.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ sf-dnpqh-042.compuserve.net) on: Thu Oct 8 04:12:19 EDT 1998
  
  Good example Mahesh. The MD is SVV. There is a song sung by TMS and Seergazhi in "Agathiyar", "Vendriduven naadhathaal" which has 16 raagas. Kunnakkudi Vaidyanathan was the MD.
  "Kannan mananilaye thangame thangam" is raagamaligai. I think the Pallavi is set to Abheri and so is the first stanza. The second stanza resembles VJ's "Bole re papi hara", is it "Miyan ki Malhar" or something ?
  
  
• From: Sarah (@ spider-tl012.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jun 6 13:54:00 EDT 2000
  
  Hi, I am a songwriter. Recently, as I composed a song, which will have english lyrics, a word kept coming to me, which feels to me to possibly be a name. ... "Onnai" (pronounced
  On-A) ??? I did a search today and your website came up. ?? Have you ever heard of this or a similar term, spelled same or differently, but with this pronunciation?
  
  
• From: Sarah (@ spider-tl012.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jun 6 13:55:44 EDT 2000
  
  Not clear on how this post works... My email address is srw26@aol.com
  
  
• From: csg (@ 202.144.10.93) on: Wed Jun 7 07:39:03 EDT 2000
  
  if you guys are talking abotu ragamalika then my contribution is the song from "manathil uriudhi vendum"the song is "kanna varuvaya"which KJY and chitra has done a beatiful job,but can anybody help me with the ragams covered in that song
  
  
• From: hari (@ 202.141.26.3) on: Wed Jun 7 11:54:02 EDT 2000
  
  so also yenna samayalo... from unnaal mudiyum thambi.
  
  hari
  
  
• From: Velaiyaththavan (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Wed Jun 7 12:04:21 EDT 2000
  
  hari:
  
  that is more of palasarakku maLigai thaan raga malikai :-)
  
  
• From: Geetha_Seelan (@ 62.232.77.146) on: Mon Jun 12 10:09:09 EDT 2000
  
  As I remember, "Kanna varuvaya" is in Gowrimanohari, I can't recall anything but the first line..... Maybe Srikanth or MS will know of any changes to the Raga.
  
  In "Enna Samayalo" the names of the Ragams are part of the lyrics, e.g. Adiye Mohana - i.e. for the Mohanam part; Kal...Aaani, Kalyani....
  
  Of the new songs, Enge enadhu kavidhai is a nice one, starting in Sindhubairavhi, going onto to swaras in Sarasangi and then onto to Lathangi, ending and changing the intensity of the melancholy mood in Keeravani.
  
  
• From: hari (@ 202.141.26.182) on: Mon Jun 12 13:49:34 EDT 2000
  
  Velai sir,
  
  Anyways, it is probably the cutest song ive heard. Especially 2nd charanam in vasantha - Appa varum neram...Sa dha ma ga thaamadhamaa - touch is excellent !! and at several other places too.. I wonder how the lyricist co-ordinated with IR on this one. My guess is IR must have written the lyrics himself.
  
  hari
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Mon Jun 12 14:18:52 EDT 2000
  
  hari :
  
  IR was the lyricist.
  
  Geetha:
  
  To my knowledge, it is in Gowri manohari through out. No other raaga.
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Mon Jun 12 14:20:06 EDT 2000
  
  'My guess is IR must have written the lyrics himself. '
  
  You are right. The lyricist is raja himself.
  
  The original of this song appears in the unreleased movie maNippoor mAmiyAr.
  
  
• From: haris (@ inet-fw1-o.oracle.com) on: Mon Jun 12 14:29:16 EDT 2000
  
  pg,
  
  original of enna samayalO?? - do u know any site having this original??
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ 62.232.77.146) on: Thu Jun 15 05:09:14 EDT 2000
  
  In Enna Samayalo, the luricist,as it was IR himself has used what is technically known as "SWARAKSHARAM". BMK is quite an expert in this technique, with his composition in Thodi, Nee Ma Ni Ni...... This is where the lyrics match the swaras sung, the classic example as Hari gave, Sa Dha Ma Ga Tha Ma Dha Ma (i.e. the notes sung are Dha Ma Dha Ma).
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ 62.232.77.146) on: Thu Jun 15 05:09:24 EDT 2000
  
  In Enna Samayalo, the lyricist,as it was IR himself has used what is technically known as "SWARAKSHARAM". BMK is quite an expert in this technique, with his composition in Thodi, Nee Ma Ni Ni...... This is where the lyrics match the swaras sung, the classic example as Hari gave, Sa Dha Ma Ga Tha Ma Dha Ma (i.e. the notes sung are Dha Ma Dha Ma).
  
  
• From: magen (@ ) on: Sat Sep 9 07:59:35 EDT 2000
  
  magen here i can play hormonium, why got no 3 in swaras sample, s r2 g2 pd2 s/ this i understand, but like this i cannot understand sample s r3 g2 p d1 n3 . why got number 3 here? all my friend pls help me , thank you . waithing for answer,
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ ) on: Mon Jul 29 03:50:16 EDT 2002
  
  One more famous ragamaligai song which I remembered (may be "Pookkaari"-TMS):
  "Naan paadidum kavithaiyin santham andha paavaiyin paattukku sondham",
  "valampuri changenak kazhuthu, aval valaikkaram vaazhaiyin kuruthu.... Varum thaga thagavena ezhil kozhithu" etc.,
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.8) on: Mon Jul 29 04:12:55 EDT 2002
  
  Cinema Virumbi:
  
  That song is from the movie Samayalkaaran. Can
  you mention what rags are used and in which
  parts?
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219) on: Mon Jul 29 07:43:49 EDT 2002
  
  SK,
  I am no expert on ragas. As far as I know, the following ragas are there in that song:
  
  Nee enakke thaaram enrirukka (Kedharam)
  Unnai en vasanthaavena naan ketka (Vasantha)
  En nenjinil konjidu ranjaniye (Ranjani)
  
  I am told the pallavi " Naan paadidum kavithaiyin ....." is in Kaapi. And I think some more ragas are also there.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 202.9.177.13) on: Tue Jul 30 12:15:48 EDT 2002
  
  The song nee oru raga has more ragas mentioned(only mentioned!)
  
  Naan Vaa ena azahikayil ezhun THODI vanthu Thazhuvidum DEVA MANOHARI.
  
  AARABHI manamum Thevayillai
  
  The last line of NeeEnake has "Entha Nayagan thedidum NAYAGI ye"
  
  
• From: Jeyaram (@ ) on: Fri Aug 9 13:31:55 EDT 2002
  
  Cinama Virumbi,
  
  You are confusing 2 songs. The lines and ragams you mention are part of the song 'Nee Oru Raga maligai.. (sung by SPB, Film Pen Onru Kanden).
  This is a wonderful song, each line mentioning a ragam name and set in same raga,( ofcourse not all the lines), Base ragam used in Kaapi
  
  'Naan kavithayil...' from Samayal karan is a pur Kaapi ragam.
  
  Any way, both are beautiful compositions from MSV.
  
  When we talk of Ragamaligai, we cant forget "Thendralil Aadum Koonthalai...' (VJ + KJY) from MMSP (MGR movie). This starts with Suddha saveri, goes to Abheri, Charukesi. MSV/ KVM has composed many ragamaligai songs in Bhakti films.
  
  
• From: nagarajan (@ 216.104.205.20) on: Fri Aug 9 15:32:03 EDT 2002
  
  what about kunnakkudi's 'vendruven' from Agaththiyar? (SG and TMS)
  
  
• From: ravi k.s. ravichandran (@ 128.110.251.92) on: Fri Aug 9 22:11:45 EDT 2002
  
  For those discussing on "Enna Samayalo..." I would recommend another similar song, thematically written in the same way: "Samyal Padame.." in Manipoor Mamiyaar that came around 1980. Lots of similarities between these two songs..It was also penned by IR..!
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 216.52.49.5) on: Mon Aug 12 03:25:04 EDT 2002
  
  "Thiruparan Kundrathil nee sirithaal muruga".. was this song set to Rupaka TALA?
  
  
• From: Cinema Virumbi (@ 203.197.220.219) on: Mon Aug 12 03:53:51 EDT 2002
  
  Jeyram,
  
  Thanks for the clarification! While posting, even I had this mild doubt!
  
  Three other songs I remember are:
  
  1. The song in Devar's 'Thunaivan' where Sowcar and AVM Rajan visit all the temples carrying their disabled child!
  2.Thirumal Perumaikku from 'Thirumal Perumai'
  3.Kandu Konden- from Devar's 'Thiruvarul'
  
  
• From: Subbu (@ 216.52.49.5) on: Tue Aug 13 03:39:54 EDT 2002
  
  can anyone respond to my query?
  Was "Thiruparang-Kundrathil nee sirithaal muruga" set to Rupaka TALA?
  
  
  
  
  
• From: raj (@ ) on: Fri Jun 4 04:59:21 EDT 2004
  
  can any one give the lyrics for the song 'vendriduven nadhathal ' in agathiyar. Both Tamil and English lyrics welcomed.
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 15.219.201.69) on: Fri Jun 4 08:08:48 EDT 2004
  
  Geetha, I think there is Kaanadaa also, in the song "Sivagaami Aada vantha Nataraajan Ennaseivaar " song of Paatum Bharathamum and definitely a kalappadam like "En veetu thottathil" cannot qualify a raagamaalika.
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 128.88.255.34) on: Thu Jun 10 04:39:03 EDT 2004
  
  "Mazhaikaalamum panikkaalamum" from film Savithri can also be considered as a raagamaaligai. The song , though predominantly on Hamsadhwani, has one charanam with starting lines
  "kaar kaalam paarthu kani maamarathil kalyaanam seidha kiligal", deviating to another raaga(sounds like Bhimplaas)
  
  

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