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7 points if IR seeks a comeback

Topic started by Sriram (@ 136.2.1.153) on Fri Jul 2 11:19:18 EDT 2004.
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1. Stop writing songs (even first few lines..)
2. Use good lyricists like Vairamuthu
3. Work with leading directors
4. Stop singing himself
5. Stop using Bhavadharini
6. Stop listening to "Jalra" parties - Eg: RajKiran, Ramarajan
7. Shed some ego

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Responses:

• From: L (@ 144.42.9.106) on: Fri Jul 2 12:04:08 EDT 2004
  
  One point to Sriram:
  
  1. Stop advising unless you are asked to.
  
  L
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Fri Jul 2 12:20:25 EDT 2004
  
  8) Stop asking directors to change/create situations based on the tunes that come to ur head
  
  
• From: Sriram (@ 136.2.1.153) on: Fri Jul 2 12:32:52 EDT 2004
  
  L - This is no advice, just some thoughts. And I fullu understand none of them are never going to happen.
  
  
• From: e (@ 136.1.1.154) on: Fri Jul 2 12:41:32 EDT 2004
  
  L,
  `epporuL yAryArvAyk kEtpinum apporuL
  meipporuL kANba dhaRivu' -kuRaL
  
  There's nothing wrong in advising, counselling, encouraging anyone (including IR) in a public forum as long as it is done in good taste and with correct motives. One can either take it or leave it.
  
  Sriram, while your first 6 are good (all of which call for automatically shedding some ill-placed-ego and coming down), the seventh is probably unnecessary. In addition, I don't think he can perform well without a boosted self-esteem, which is a must for any artiste.
  
  
• From: ramk (@ 167.230.38.106) on: Fri Jul 2 12:42:23 EDT 2004
  
  IR does not need a comeback. Of course one has to accept that he has an ego and is not easily approachable. But certainly he has gone beyond the stage where one seeks 'a few hit songs' to stay or rule the market.
  
  
• From: * (@ 15.219.201.69) on: Fri Jul 2 12:58:45 EDT 2004
  
  L is a funny postor out of habit and no need to take anything personally
  
  
• From: dubya (@ 210.210.48.199) on: Sat Jul 3 10:39:29 EDT 2004
  
  Truth is IR should become young to make a comeback :)
  
  
• From: Nattamai (@ 216.240.138.3) on: Sat Jul 3 12:26:29 EDT 2004
  
  Sriram:
  
  What are your tips for ThunduBhai to make a comeback?
  
  
• From: Robin (@ 212.138.64.173) on: Sat Jul 3 15:43:29 EDT 2004
  
  Still IR is very well there in TFM. Now a days he is choosy in movies. I think, in last 6 years, if you take 10 hit movies, he will be defintely part of that. Kathalukku Mariyaathai, Sethu, Kasi, Friends, Ramana, Pithamagan, Virumaandi, etc. Apart from that he has done exclelent work in Hey Ram, Kannukkul Nilavu, Time, etc. He is very much there in TFM. Moreover, now a days, he is concentrating more to BGM, which he is the King. No MDs are near to him in that area, including the so-called, musical wizard ARR. So, please don't expect that IR has to come back. He is very much there in TFM. Only GOD knows his retirement. How many big directors are giving hit? Mani is struggling to give a hit, Bharathiraja is almost out. Balachandar packed his bags after the debacle show in Parthalae Paravasam. Shankar is slowly recovering from the punch he got in Boys. Now the latest directors giving hit movies are Bala, Dharani, Murugadass and Lingusaamy. Out of them, Bala and Murugadass are working with IR only. Any new budding good director should work with IR to stay in the field. Ethu Eluthatha sattam. IR was/is/will be ruling the TFM.
  
  
• From: Guess Me (@ 202.83.32.4) on: Sat Jul 3 22:41:13 EDT 2004
  
  IR is not choosy in movies. The industry is choosy in IR. Out of the movies you listed, did any of them make profit out of audio sales? Concentrating more on BGM? The BGMs in his recent movies arent even 1% as good as his old ones.
  
  At times your so called "BGM King" was overtaken by many people. Not only ARR but even Bharadwaj overtook him with his beautiful BGMs in his recent Autograph, which IR couldnt after Hey Ram. Still you call him BGM King?
  
  Murugadass's movies are not at all dependent on songs. Bala's Pithamagan had one great song from IR which was "Ilangatru Veeshuthe". But I am sorry I must say that this song is quite a re-hash of one of IR's old songs - "Thendral Vanthu" from Nasser's "Avatharam" which IR sang himself.
  
  Your last sentence "IR was/is/will be ruling the TFM" needs to be corrected in this way.
  
  IR was ruling the TFM
  IR is still a part of TFM
  IR will be out of TFM
  
  
• From: Robin (@ 212.138.47.29) on: Sun Jul 4 09:50:18 EDT 2004
  
  Guess Me,
  
  In his recent movies, he made some excellent BGM. No dobut in it. The BGM in Pithamagan is excellent. Others are giving some good BGM in one or two movies. As you mentioned Bharadwaj, he has done a better job, but not defintiely on par with IR's BGMs. In Azhaki, Bharathi, Manasellam etc, IR has done some excellent piece of BGM. ARR, from day one, he doesn't want to concentrate on BGM. Now a days, he is giving the chance to Praveen Mani. Deva is using Sabesh-Murali. Harris Jeyaraj is using his old movie songs as BGM for his new movies. Bharadwaj is doing good once in a blue moon. YSR is another ARR. SAR is the person who uses 'la la la's instead of instruments in BGM. In this BGM, I rate KR is much better in BGM than anybody else other than IR. As far as Audio sales is concerned, I don't think his albums are giving loss. I agree for some movies. It happens to everyone. IR has study market. Not up or so low. Many hardcore IR fans are still exist. From 75 and upto 95, he is no 1 is cassette sales. Now it depends on the movie. Even the so called No 1 ARR couldn't get continous slot there. Now YSR's 7GRC is doing well. May be tomorrow it is Harris's or somebody else. But when a IR movie is released, his album sales is study and smooth. Still you can see people buying Bharathi and Azhaki. IR competed with MSV in the initial stages. Then competes with SankarGanesh/TR etc. Then he competed with Deva/ARR. Now he is competing with ARR/Deva/YSR/KR/Bharadwaj/Sirpi/Bharani/Harris/ans so on. But until now, he is a clear winner all the time. If any director want a good music in his movies, they are going to IR. Kamal, the acting genious after Dr. Shivaji, still prefers him. Vikram's classics are having IR in it. Vijay's unforgettable hits are having IR. Those who neglected IR ( Mani, Bharathiraja, Balachandar,Rajini etc) in the cine field, are neglected by the cine field in due time. But still IR exist. Why? The answer is simple - IR is born to rule. Others can shine like stars, the SUN is IR.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 68.38.226.171) on: Sun Jul 4 12:00:01 EDT 2004
  
  Guess Me,
  Do you know what BGM is?
  
  Probably u dont know.. start watching IR movies closely, still recently Malayalam movies,
  
  I do accept some of the new movies Audio sales would not have done that gr8.. but surely the Quality of the music is still gr8.. How about Virumandi.
  
  ne ways i am one who does believe that Audio-Sales = Music Quality..
  
  ARR's meenaxi, KKS were much better than ne of his recent.. but how well did it do in audio sales...
  
  When doing comparison Call spade a spade, dont come to argue on some fixated opinion.
  
  Sriram,
  You just did so much defaming of the gr8est genius of the land. Have fun and have a life.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 68.38.226.171) on: Sun Jul 4 12:01:11 EDT 2004
  
  Sorry
  
  ne ways i am one who does believe that Audio-Sales = Music Quality..
  
  Should be
  
  ne ways i am one who does believe that Audio-Sales != Music Quality..
  
  
• From: Guess Me (@ 202.83.34.71) on: Sun Jul 4 12:29:47 EDT 2004
  
  MusicIsLife, I do know what BGM is. IRs recent malayalam movies have good songs and BGM but for tamil it is not upto the mark. IRs BGMs in Nayagan and Apoorva Sahodarangal was excellent but is that the case now?
  
  Now your equation is funny
  Audio-Sales = Music Quality
  
  Meenaxi definitely topped audio sales. But for KKS it failed. That happened bcoz the promotion was not good. And the movie was ofcourse bad and song picturisation was worse.
  
  "When doing comparison Call spade a spade, dont come to argue on some fixated opinion. "
  
  Yes I will call a spade a spade. But when the card is torn, even if it is a spade, I will just throw it out rather than saying it was a spade and you can still play with it.
  
  And now Robin, dont say ARR didnt concentrate on BGMs. While IR mainly used violin for BGMs, ARR was one of the early composers to use flute for BGMs. Listen to Roja or Bombay and you will understand. Regarding audio sales I say IR could never come anywhere near ARR after 1992. May be they are not loss but they are never hit either. There are hardcore IR fans who still buy his cassettes but that is a very very very minor population, while the rest prefers to go along with quality.
  
  As you said Kamal preferred IR. But looks like IRs horrible work in songs and BGMs for Virumandi prompted Kamal to choose Bharadwaj for his latest Vasool Raja MBBS. That should be the only reason as Virumandi was a winner in every other way.
  
  Referring movies like "Vikrams's classics and Vijay's unforgettables" cant hide the fact that IR has composed for only very few movies for these stars. Infact IR is not found in any of the superstar movies. And if that happens, it ends there with that movie itself.
  
  And now those who neglected IR ( Mani, Bharathiraja, Balachandar,Rajini etc), is that the reason for failure? If these people develop story and screenplay based on the song composition, I wud have agreed with you. But that is not the case. They may have failures but they are legends. Atleast they could save some money out of the audio sales rather than the movie itself, since IR didnt compose for them.
  
  "But IR still exist". Yes he does, but a foot note will be more appropriate - the pathetic fall of a legend.
  
  "Others can shine like stars, the SUN is IR."
  Looks like it is solar eclipse for IR.
  
  
• From: Robin (@ 212.138.47.13) on: Sun Jul 4 13:06:25 EDT 2004
  
  Guess Me,
  
  Nice to see your arguments.
  
  But some more clarifications....
  
  1. Kamal is preferring IR for his Rajkamal internationals. Vasool Raja MBBS is a home production is Charan and he is always having a goof time with Bharadwaj and once he paid with ARR and it was his flop.
  
  2. I told earlier, IR is choosy now. That is why he is intrumental for the success of the classics of Vikaran and unforgettable hits of Vijay.
  
  3. The earlier of hits of Mani until Thalapathy, are scroed by IR. Until he works with IR, he was able to give hits. Just listen the BGMs of all the Mani-IR movies. Roja is a mega hit. I accept it. Then the downfall started from Bombay. It is contraversial movie. The BGM is nothing but sound. Then until now, Mani is not able to give a hit. That doesn't mean that he is not able to create a good stroy. In many of his recent failures, even very good scenes lacks a real punch and push, which is called as BGM. Superstar is a confused personality. He used Deva in Bascha. then used ARR in Muthu. It didn't create enough waves amoung Rajini fans. Then he again chose Deva for Arunachalam. It failed. Then he picks ARR for Padyappa and Baba. Until now, he is not named officially, who is going to do the music for his Jakkubhai. If I honestly wish, only Deva can satisfy his fans. And after Baba and the recent election results, he cannot come up. It is his retirement time.
  
  4. You wanted to a foot note - pathetic fall of a Legend. He is now busy with Thiruvasagam project. Once the project is over by October. You can see his continous flow here, not the fall. Ithu oru kanakaalam by Balu Mahendra, Dhaush starrer - Bala movie, Divorse (Hidni) are in the queue. May be who knows, Jakkubhai may need IRs help. So wait and watch the show.
  
  5. As for as audio sales is concerened, now a days, due to heavy competitions, no body can be No 1. And you said that IR is no where near to ARR in audio sales.Good joke. All his recent stuffs, starting from Tenali, Alli Arjuna, Parasuram, Baba, Kannaththil Muththamittal,Kangalaal Kaithu Sei, Paathalae Paravasam are either utter flops or flops or below average sales. Even, the SAR's Piriyamana Thozhi is having better sales than all the above. So don't argue with his name. Instead you can argue with Harris and YSR and Vidyasagar, who are atleast some what competent now a days to light their names in the Top list for audio sales. If you talk about ARR, I just want to tell something used in his famous advertisement music - 'Poyinthe, Poyae Pochchchu, it's gone'. Isai Puyal ARR has crossed the Indian region and kept cool in Western Region.
  
  
• From: Kum (@ 66.131.253.57) on: Sun Jul 4 13:08:57 EDT 2004
  
  Ada ponkaiya! neenkalum unka IR ARR sandaiyum.
  
  why cant we all just listen to the music?
  
  

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