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Who is the best Composer between the Two? Nadeen Shravan or AR Rahman

Topic started by Ravana (@ 68.58.127.57) on Sun Mar 10 22:01:23 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Nadeem Shravan wins easily because listen to their songs it has indian, western blended with a melody. ARR songs sound totally electronic no natural or true instrument used in the music.

Thanks for your opinions in advance

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• From: Ravana (@ 68.58.127.57) on: Mon Mar 11 20:26:41 EST 2002
  
  Nadeem Shravan are the best mds duo india has ever produced. NS get inspired by other's music. But ARR commits plagirism by hiding it and he talks big as if its his own thought.
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Tue Mar 12 01:24:59 EST 2002
  
  Does ARR ever talk big?
  I guess not. His humility is world known.
  
  I don't know about Nadeen Shravan but I do know about another TFM MD who tried as much as he could to enter the Hindi field, but couldn't. He however treated people with so much contempt and made big noise of some great Asian achievement that came to nought. Sounds familiar? :)
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.147.48) on: Tue Mar 12 08:10:05 EST 2002
  
  Gowri,
  
  No one really knows whether u're a person who wears a skirt or not but anyway, go & fark yourself!
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Tue Mar 12 08:17:15 EST 2002
  
  Ah ha!
  Notice how no ARR fan bothered to make personal attacks on Ravana despite his many anti-ARR statements & threads. Now look at ambleen resorting so easily and so quickly to Vulgarities.
  Some people were trying to convince me that ARR fans wud behave the same way (as IR fans do when IR is bashed ie. name calling, mud slinging personal attacks) when ARR is bashed.
  This Classic Evidence on how tat is not true.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.141) on: Tue Mar 12 08:46:51 EST 2002
  
  WhyNot
  Bring twilight_zone here and ask him to explain this.
  
  ambleen
  Why don't you use this language on your parents?
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 203.199.245.166) on: Tue Mar 12 11:20:09 EST 2002
  
  U need an explaination for this ROTFL? May be you would like to first explain why on earth wud she want to bring in IR in here? If she had just restricted her posts with ARR Vs Nadeem Shravan alone, she wud not have given an opportunity for someone to bruise her ego :-). What do u think? Who go around begging for trouble?
  
  And whynot, r u a "self proclaimed" psychic or something? How come u r sure that the person who reacted (ambleen or whatever) was an IR Fan? What if it were someone belonging to the "no jalra" species, the kind of people who care their foot about either ARR or IR, and just drop in to leave behind "unpleasant" & "stinking" trails?
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.231.8) on: Tue Mar 12 11:38:18 EST 2002
  
  tz lashing out on WN????
  (swooooon).. Just kidding ;)
  hey really, NOM!!
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.231.8) on: Tue Mar 12 11:56:49 EST 2002
  
  i'm soorrrry! :(
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 203.199.247.116) on: Tue Mar 12 12:27:14 EST 2002
  
  :-) Magix..."lashing out"? I don't think so:-). This ain't nothin ;-)
  
  
• From: kp (@ 202.9.149.242) on: Tue Mar 12 12:34:03 EST 2002
  
  who is nadeem shravan ????
  
  
• From: kp (@ 202.9.149.242) on: Tue Mar 12 12:35:11 EST 2002
  
  who is nadeem shravan ????
  
  
• From: sushma (@ 203.195.202.60) on: Tue Mar 12 13:11:02 EST 2002
  
  why r u posting such lousy discussions.why compare arr and nadeem?No comparision b/w the 2.its like comparing the king and slave and asking who is richer??so please form only sensible discussions.
  bye
  sushma
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.147.48) on: Tue Mar 12 15:40:37 EST 2002
  
  ROTFLVPOSDIKASKDPWHATEVER..............,
  that's why i'm here u fool!
  
  anyway, go fark urself too!
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Tue Mar 12 19:09:38 EST 2002
  
  Twilight_zone,
  it doesnt take any rocket science to figure out tat ambleen is a IR fan. Anyway, since u've brought it up, here's some evidence. His post in another thread on IR, on Sun Mar 10 11:02:07 EST 2002:
  "yeah man! esp now when its so obvious that he's the only the composer in India....& the best one at that!"
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/22032.00.29.45.html
  Happy now?
  
  This is even better. An IR fan first uses swear words against another DFer and another IR Fan justifies it saying that Gowri shud not have brought up IR. (as if no one talks abt ARR in IR threads--even the New Releases of IR thread was going full swing in discussion about guess what? KM!!...I spose if an ARR fan had barged in and attacked the IR fans wit swear words, then going by tz's logic, tat wud have been justified too.)
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 203.199.245.235) on: Tue Mar 12 20:39:47 EST 2002
  
  ah, how naive can u be dear whynot. Do u want examples of dudes who are adept at double speak? What if this ambleen u r talking abt is just an insecure ARR/HJ/Nadheem Fan? Possible ain't it? And i have umpteen examples of people posing as IR fans/ARR Fans in one thread & posting pathetically stinking opinions abt IR/ARR in others. (Ok, so u need an example - Heard of a dude called sarath?..He has made so many posts saying he likes both IR/ARR/ and any MD if the songs were good, but to my surprise started that stinking thread "raja - a total scrap"...Now these are guys that belong to "NO JALRA" variety. So just quoting one example from some thread does not tell ambleen shud definetly be a IR Fan. So quit your generalization campaign, will you? Thanks. :-). I can give you examples of umpteen DFers from both IR & ARR camp who are gentle, & balanced in expressing their opinions. And there are examples of brats in both IR & ARR camp. Its high time you re-work on your funny "hypotheses". ok dear? :-)
  
  And i had no intensions of offering support to this ambleen, nor do i say what he said is correct. All i said was, it was Gowri who was asking for trouble. Do you people get great sense of achievement when u pull down IR? Do you, dear whynot, justify that when the topic of discussion is ARR & NS, why Gowri's post (to which Ambleen's reaction) was spitting venom abt IR?. Was it not un-called for? Ignorance abt what IR has achieved all these years is fine. But when u r ignorant of a particular person, ain't it better to just stay tightly shut, rather than posting words that only end up hurting people who are more familiar with IR's music?
  
  
• From: Ravana (@ 68.58.127.57) on: Tue Mar 12 22:18:08 EST 2002
  
  Friends:
  
  I posted my opinion on the following thread and I stick with it too. I tried to be as decent as possible. I never attacked ARR personally in anyway. But people started crying and talking about my moush and sand (I don't have moush :) )
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/26010.21.50.49.html
  
  Here is my opinion:
  
  Alaipayuthey is his 50th movie and Star Wars Episode I is his 250th movie. John Williams, James Horner, Andrew Lloyd Webber are all ARR in disguise. Because whatever those western guys do that eventually imported and used in TFM or HFM by ARR. People celebrate him to be next HIM. Does he deserve it ,nope other copycats were brought into market like Deva, Harris Jeyaraj, Yuvan Shankar Raja, Karthik Raja, Bharatwaj, SARetc. But its good to see MDs like barani come out with originality that too some Indianized instruments.
  
  ARR sincehe scores music Bombay dream people call him a genius. Did he score music for a westernized play nope. They still going to utilize old hindi songs(recycled this time in English Devuda!!! like Alli Arjuna, Star etc.) in the play.
  
  Once again ARR as his name specifies All Ready Recycled(ARR) comes out with flying colors and all the copyphiles with a chingchuck in their hands go after him pathetic. Now I know why hear all the chinkchuck in ARR's songs its nothing but all his blind fans with that instrument.
  
  Get a life buddies appreciate and welcome the original.
  
  Take Care
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Tue Mar 12 23:27:21 EST 2002
  
  it was Gowri who was asking for trouble
  
  So, when I say something about Ilayaraja in a thread that discusses ARR, I am looking for trouble?
  But if ARR, K Balachander, Maniratnam, MSV or anyone is condemned in any thread, that is permissible?
  Your double standards are glaringly visible.
  
  twilight_zone
  Step back for a moment and see what you are condoning.
  
  Ravana
  My sympathies for you. :)
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Tue Mar 12 23:29:36 EST 2002
  
  I still believe that the person who raises his voice, is the one who has lost in a battle.
  
  
• From: zaneer (@ 203.143.1.21) on: Tue Mar 12 23:43:17 EST 2002
  
  There is a natural Music in ARR's spngs. No electronic music. It is usless opinion. He should compose that.
  
  
• From: zaneer (@ 203.143.1.21) on: Tue Mar 12 23:43:27 EST 2002
  
  There is a natural Music in ARR's spngs. No electronic music. It is usless opinion. He should compose that.
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Wed Mar 13 00:23:06 EST 2002
  
  look who is talking :-)). Gowri, "U" r accusing "me" of double standards?!?!!. Have u not read my umpteen posts wherein i have talked about the good things abt ARR & his Music? And u have every right to talk abt IR in a thread that discusses ARR, but how do you justify your "not so good-meaning" remarks on IR, LISTED BELOW,
  
  a)"He tried as much as he cud to enter hindi field"...
  
  go and get some "history" back up dear Gowri, IR never had intensions of constantly shifting operating bases (from tamil to wherever) to suit monetary obejectives. Haven't u read interviews where he has repeated "i am happy to be in my homeland, the tamil film music"
  
  b) "he made noise of some asian achievement that came to nought"
  
  did u ever get to read the reasons given by the foreign guy who was directly involved in the "symphony" project that IR composed. That is straight from the horse's mouth on how much IR is detached when it comes to extracting commercial benefits out of something he did for his own personal satisfaction.
  
  If u have a opinion that has a basis & validity, post it. Pls don't go around in public forum posting every impulsive thought of yours. Then u might only end up creating "hatred". IMHO
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Wed Mar 13 00:45:30 EST 2002
  
  twilight_zone
  Now you are talking. If you have the facts, argue against what I have said. Do not make personal attacks.
  
  Please read "in context" when I said "double standards." I don't know what you wished to say, but from what I understood, you said that I invite trouble when I talk about IR in an unrelated thread. Isn't this very very strange?
  
  No, let us come to not so good meaning. When people condemn anyone not related to Ilayaraja, where was your good soul? How come it did not make a statement "you asked for it?"
  
  1. I never said that he wanted to enter Hindi field for money. But anyway, what do you expect him to say after being rejected by HFM? "The guys up there do not know what they are missing?" Come on, give me a break.
  
  2. As for the Sym-phony, many people have said many things. Bottom line, it has not come out. and that is a fact.
  
  3. I did not enter this forum for a popularity contest. If you cannot defend my right to say what I feel is correct, at least please do not take on a moral high ground.
  
  Regards
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Wed Mar 13 00:47:23 EST 2002
  
  And to add more, dear Gowri, will u click on the link below to judge for yourself if IR has the habbit of "talking big" or is an "egoist" or is keen on monetary gains. Thanks.
  
  Maestro Ilayaraaja on his early days of struggle in Madras. -
  http://www.raajangahm.com/real/interviews/05Columbo.ram
  
  U might also want to see more links to his "open" interviews & on-stage talk with SPB in the thread created by me, named "Before You Start Another IR Vs ARR Crap Thread".
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/7061.07.35.13.html
  
  

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