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Personal Glory or Contribution?

Topic started by Tamilian (@ 161.142.100.86) on Tue Jun 25 21:08:06 EDT 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Many people in the forum keep on saying that Ilayaraja is superior because of the number of movies he did.

But there is another side to this coin.

The question we need to ask is why did he accept movies, just from anyone, and in the process giving sub standard music for small timers and better songs for his prefered selected few?

Why could he not be magnamious enough and go by the philosophy, "live and let live" and allow other MDs to also survive?

Why did he take advantage of his success to monopolise the industry, depriving other MDs of their chances?

In the end it all boils down to GREED and PERSONAL GLORY.

This can be proven in many ways:

1. He accepted all movies that came his way, knowing fully well that he cannot give his full attention to all. At the same time he was also killing off the other MDs.

2. He started this image building exercise by publishing (or allowing) his photo in all his movies.

3. He started the royalty system.

Some Ilayaraja fans have twisted all the above to his advantage, when actually IR derived maximum advantage from these with the industry being the loser.

Personal Glory or Contribution? What say you?

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Responses:

• From: Tamilian (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Wed Jun 26 00:09:18 EDT 2002
  
  Shocked?
  
  Well, think before you talk, next time.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.76.199) on: Wed Jun 26 00:21:42 EDT 2002
  
  here starts yet another PA on IR.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.56.52) on: Wed Jun 26 01:00:04 EDT 2002
  
  What is wrong with you people? Enakkaga Kathiru, Aradhanai,Mudivalla Arambam are some of the flop movies by flop directors. It had good songs. IR scored very good music for Maniratnam for his first tamil movie. I know most of the IR bashers were diehard IR fans once. Suddenly he has become monoplist for them. ARR must have grown up listening to IR songs. 80s and late 70s belong to IR. No one can take that away from him. 90s belong to everybody.
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Wed Jun 26 01:54:58 EDT 2002
  
  What is wrong with you Uthaman?
  
  Look at the posting and answer the questions. Do not bring ARR here.
  
  Don't forget that IR also grew up listening to MSV songs too. He didn't fall out from the sky you know.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.76.199) on: Wed Jun 26 04:13:13 EDT 2002
  
  dude and tamilian are one and the same. the IP address of both say so. hmmm..!!!
  
  
• From: MIF (@ 202.9.180.189) on: Wed Jun 26 12:46:03 EDT 2002
  
  tamilian,
  isnt this thread a consequence of continuous ARR bashing?? ;)
  
  evrybody,
  why dont we stop comparing MDs......i know im the nth person to say this,but.........taste differs from person to person.....pls understand guys :(....u may find somebody gr8.....not necessary that evryboady needs to have the same feeling
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 166.102.254.93) on: Wed Jun 26 13:24:14 EDT 2002
  
  A lot of commody going on here. There are already a lot of threads here to discuss such things. Guys think twice before you start a thread. Think even more while starting a thread with the limited, too limited knowledge you have.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 192.11.223.116) on: Wed Jun 26 18:52:05 EDT 2002
  
  >1. He accepted all movies that came his way, >knowing fully well that he cannot give his full >attention to all. At the same time he was also >killing off the other MDs.
  
  Tell me which other decent MD was around other than MSV and TR during IR's peak?. He did justice to the movies he commited and sometimes he did too much for worthless movies.
  
  
  >2. He started this image building exercise by >publishing (or allowing) his photo in all his >movies.
  
  How much publicity did IR gave for HTNI and NBW?
  Even for devotional albums like geetanjali & ramana maharishi pamalai did have much publicity.
  If Producers went for cheap tactics what can IR do?. Kamal and mani never used IR in posters are did they work with IR well?.
  
  >3. He started the royalty system.
  Who do you want to earn from hardwork of MDs like ARR?? KT konjumons and AM ratnams?. The one who created should get the credit too.
  
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Wed Jun 26 22:11:30 EDT 2002
  
  Venki, now is the time to expand your limited knowledge. Guess you had no idea of IR's selfish motives.
  
  kk, if IR had not accepted all and sundry movies, there would have been a vacuum and new MDs would have sprung, such as L Vaidhyanathan, Manoj-Gyan ...
  Agreed that he did too much of worthless stuff in the process.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.56.5) on: Thu Jun 27 02:51:53 EDT 2002
  
  I don't think ARR is scoring music for free!! He doesn't accept so many movies because it will deprive other MDs of their chances. What a generosity. Even ARR will be laughing at this theory!! He himself accepted in various interviews that he is slow in composing. He is dog slow!! Accept it dude alias Tamilian alias 161.142.100.86 !!
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Jun 27 03:30:41 EDT 2002
  
  THE SUBJECT, IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW, IS IR AND HIS GREED.
  Do not deviate.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.49.187) on: Thu Jun 27 04:38:46 EDT 2002
  
  I thought I will stay away-but I cannot resist.
  dude,
  are you in India or US?
  If you are in US,why did you come to US-but for money.are you not greedy?all of us are avaracious.avarice has many forms.
  If you are in India and typing all this rubbish,then I will congratulate you.you are probably waiting with dreams of US!
  remember,your ISP can be easily checked.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.80.114) on: Thu Jun 27 05:30:32 EDT 2002
  
  yaaro and others... why bother that poor troubled soul? leave him alone.
  
  
• From: Are yaar. (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Thu Jun 27 06:21:17 EDT 2002
  
  >>>He is dog slow!!
  Is IR then Monkey fast? Jumping all arround.
  
  
• From: Hubert (@ 213.121.246.138) on: Thu Jun 27 08:12:18 EDT 2002
  
  Greed is, when one goes after something.
  If IR had gone after movie chances, then it was greed. But when the producers and directors go after him and compromise with the resulting delays and poor music (if they feel so) then it is not IR's fault. remember, the choice of making a movie is with the producer/director and how he ropes in other technicians, is their choice. And if they were willing to do anything to get IR score music for them, then they were either GREEDY to make a fast buck (using the popularity of IR) or they were mesmerised by the music. Remember, a MD doesn't depend on another MD to come up. Its his skill and luck too. If IR's photos appeared in the posters, its because the movie needed a publicity like that. The moment the producers feel these photos will not help, they will immediately shun them. Regarding Royalty - it was neglected in India for a long long time. Atleast i am happy we are talking about it now. Thanks to IR the musicians are thinking about it now. Just enjoy his music !!
  
  
• From: vel (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Thu Jun 27 09:54:36 EDT 2002
  
  :-)) This dumb thread reminds me of what S Ve Sekhar told in an interview...
  
  Quote
  
  i used to get poor marks, and when my mom asked me why i got poor marks, i used to say...what do i do mom, my classmates take away all my marks...
  
  Unquote
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Jun 27 23:39:33 EDT 2002
  
  Will yaaro stop talking nonsense? If I wm in US or dreaming of going to US, I am not depriving anyone else of that chance.
  Who do you think you are? FBI? and what has where I am posting got to do with what I am posting?
  When you are loss for words it is better to keep quiet.
  
  Hubert, what you are saying is akin to saying that you gorge yourself at the buffet and it is not your fault because all the food was available to you. Wouldn't it be better to eat sensible portions and allowing others to partake of the food?
  
  Vel, your remarks remind me of the person who had nothing to comment but still went on stage and said "I have nothing to comment."
  When you are stuck for an argument, it is cowardice to call the argument dumb. This is the shallowest argument I have ever come across.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.56.36) on: Fri Jun 28 01:51:41 EDT 2002
  
  "Hubert, what you are saying is akin to saying that you gorge yourself at the buffet and it is not your fault because all the food was available to you. Wouldn't it be better to eat sensible portions and allowing others to partake of the food? "
  
  - For this i am using dude's reply to Vel itself as my reply.
  
  "This is the shallowest argument I have ever come across."
  
  hehe
  
  I know what he will come up with. He will say i don't have originality. Probably dude is still stealing his fifth standard classmate's "javvu mittai", "kadal urundai"..
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Fri Jun 28 02:10:19 EDT 2002
  
  Uthaman, I didn't expect you to understand my statement. True enough, you proved that it was way above you. Hehe to you.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.56.36) on: Fri Jun 28 04:08:00 EDT 2002
  
  Is Dude flipped? I guess he needs help.
  
  Sambandha Sambandhamillam edhodho ezudaran. Read his postings. I bet he is not older than 8 year old.
  
  
• From: PUNCH (@ 61.11.73.84) on: Fri Jun 28 04:14:06 EDT 2002
  
  
  "He accepted all movies that came his way, knowing fully well that he cannot give his full attention to all. At the same time he was also killing off the other MDs.
  
  2. He started this image building exercise by publishing (or allowing) his photo in all his movies.
  
  3. He started the royalty system. "
  
  ABSOULTE IMMATURITY AND CHILDISHNESS
  
  
  
  
  WHAT A STUPID THREAD. IF YOU START SUCH A NONSENSICAL STUFF THERE IS NO MEANING FOR THIS ENTIRE WEB. WHY IR IS THE ONLY EXAMPLE FOR YOU. WHY NOT MSV.
  
  DEAR NANBA MIND THAT PEOPLE LIKE MSV, IR OR SPB ARE ALWAYS CRITICISED DESPITE THEIR GREAT TALENT.BECAUSE THEY ARE SIMPLY LEGENDS. IF THEY ARE NOT BEEN PULLED IN TO THESE SORT OF CRITICISM HOW CAN PEOPLE LIKE YOU PASS YOUR TIME.
  
  JUST LEAVE IT AT THIS. TRY TO TALK ABOUT MD'S WHO CANNOT WORK UNDER PRESSURE. THOSE THREADS MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME UNDERSTANDING
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Fri Jun 28 04:22:55 EDT 2002
  
  Uthaman, have you ever given a thought about what people think about you?
  
  Punch, do you go through all your life shouting?
  You can make all the noise you want, but that is not going to hide the truth behind the thread.
  
  As for MSV, he never did the three things mentioned in the beginning of the thread.
  Please do not side track, the focus here is on IR.
  
  
• From: Uthaman (@ 65.69.56.36) on: Fri Jun 28 04:30:31 EDT 2002
  
  Dude!! your stupid is thread is getting bashed. Better stop and do something else. I agree with PUNCH. Immature dude go and watch teletubbies, barney.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.48.163) on: Fri Jun 28 04:42:41 EDT 2002
  
  //Will yaaro stop talking nonsense? If I wm in US or dreaming of going to US, I am not depriving anyone else of that chance.
  Who do you think you are? FBI? and what has where I am posting got to do with what I am posting//
  It has everything to do.I seem to have touched a raw nerve-so you are in US-no doubts with visions of green card floating in front of your eyes.If you lived in a hut in rural India AND happy with it,you can accuse others of greed not
  otherwise,IMO.
  
  

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