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Mumbai Moham - What do Tamils put up with the bad and mediocre singing of Mumbai artistes?

Topic started by Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on Sat Dec 1 22:44:28 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

This is my question....Udit Narayan, Hariharan, Sadhana Sargam, Kavitha Krishnamurti,Sonu Nigam - All sing in Tamil. But their Tamil is really very bad. Are Tamils deaf, tolerant, or have no PERUMAI in their own language? Is there really a shortage of good, tamil-speaking singers? Or is this really Tamil Inferiority Complex?

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• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Dec 1 22:51:09 EST 2001
  
  Hello - The title of this topic should read:
  WHY DO TAMILS PUT UP WITH THE BAD AND MEDIOCRE SINGING OF MUMBAI ARTISTES?
  
  I am sorry about the error. Mannikka Vendugiraen!
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.161.57) on: Sat Dec 1 23:06:32 EST 2001
  
  Well..all what finally matters in TFM, finally is money. The so called new trends, just for the sake of being something new and different, introduce various singers, especially who can hardly pronounce tamil words..It is true and unfortunate to see this kind of recent trends and likings..other salient point cud be that most of the movies made in tamil also being remade in Hindi..these singers can sing remade song with same style with whole lot ease(?)...All finally matters is how much their bag fills in..Who bothers about the question raised??
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Dec 1 23:10:55 EST 2001
  
  Hi Fliflo,
  
  Money must be considered. But what about the Tamil public? Are you so powerless in expression of their distaste for these singers. Many tamil artistes have dubbed in Telegu and vice versa. But they got the language and made correct pronunciation. All the Mumbai Irrakkumathi IS really murdering the language. Kevallam - even for MDs like IR and DEVA to use them! Paavam Tamizh Makkal. I think they don't have much regard for their own Thai Mozhi!
  
  
• From: anjali (@ 216.142.233.105) on: Sat Dec 1 23:22:37 EST 2001
  
  Why do the MD put these singers on anyways, THey have to know that the public doesnt like them
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sat Dec 1 23:27:31 EST 2001
  
  Has the Tamil public/critics expressed their anger about this MURDER of their language many times in the papers/mags etc? Then why is this Dhuradhirshatam still continuing???
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Dec 2 10:50:49 EST 2001
  
  I was right. tamils don't care about their language. There are no postings for this topic!
  Avamaanam!!!
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 12.87.60.89) on: Sun Dec 2 11:29:36 EST 2001
  
  Hey I remember a famous dialog from Salangai Oli at this point. When Kamal was recommended to a dance director, after the saga is over with his Dance director, he scolds SarathBabu for giving this oppurtunity and blames all the people who take such dances and who acts in those vulgar scenes.
  
  Then Sarath says Kamal that " why are you bothered, its those people who involve lot of money and those people know better why do you care"
  
  Bottomline is the money put in the business and one doesnt want to get losses. They want to get profit and money and they follow different methods to get money. One unfortunate trend was to bring Northies which was encouraged initially by all audience. So as long as money is coming, who cares?
  
  Also dont worry that Telugu field is better taking care of pronounciation. That is still worse.
  
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Dec 2 11:39:22 EST 2001
  
  So Bad Pronunciation/Lack of Knowledge about the Language brings in Money? And More Money comes in when Pronunciation of Tamil goes from BAD to WORSE?
  
  Well, if you really have any PRIDE AND HONOUR about your KALACHARAM - then you'd better care. Otherwise, even native TAMILS - AND THEIR CHILDREN - will start talking and conversing like the POOR Singers of North in Tamil. Who will tell them the DIFFERENCE if that is all they grow up knowing???
  
  Surely there must be good, singers from TFM who can sing melodiously in their OWN Language???
  
  DOESN'T THE TAMIL PUBLIC HAVE ANY ROSHAM, MAANAM, PATTRU - in their own language? I Guess NOT.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.165.18) on: Sun Dec 2 12:52:48 EST 2001
  
  Sirkazhi Sivachidambaram, AVRamanan and many mediocre singers excel in prononciation affairs. How manny of us ready to listen to them..Yes like Phil Collins song 'Yes we had a time...' once.
  Regarding, tamil kalacharam and other related issues, well i do not know what to say. A simple issue..I was trying to get a simple photograph of tamils celebrating Pongal in the net..After a long, long search I got hold of one which was just representative. I can't say how much frusturation I had when I saw other festival pictures like Onam and Diwali....You go into many chat rooms like tamilworld, tamil chat etc..all the exclusive tamil(ian)s do not discuss about thirvasagam and thevaaram..guys look for gals and gals go in private...Not even one is interested in chatting about cultural issues...So Tamilians being spread in almost every corner of the world..this issue is rather submerging eventually...The world culture itself is melting..People understand and tend to be more friendly to each other irresspective of where they belong to...So the issue you have raised is an important one..but apart from commercial ventures there are various meetings on conferences held on how to protect your culture and language...In this issue, there is no point in criticising MD's..If we restrict our spending from buying these music cassettes the trend my change...Well! remember just one thing...all cultures are created to give a happy living..if people can tolerate and live with the present trend in a happy manner..what makes us not to accept this....
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Sun Dec 2 13:07:45 EST 2001
  
  I'm sorry, I've been to TN b4, many many different parts and i've heard the Tamil they speak. Majority speak quite bad Tamil. Most have very strong colloquial accents depending on which part of TN they originate from. I don't see how their Tamil is going to be adversely affected by listening to few songs by Hindi speaking. This seems like making a big deal about something small. Besides, being rigid about the way the language is spoken is just going to shut out others who show interest in the language.
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Dec 2 13:38:34 EST 2001
  
  The issue is not about rigidity or restriction. It is about RESPECT and ESTEEM for one's own language. Many tamil singers are turned away from Mumbai because NOrthies say their HINDI is bad, they don't sound good, terrible pron etc. WHY then TAMILS put up with the NOrthies ruining their language?? Big Deal about Something Small? Colloquial aspects are part of every Language. Even telegu and malayalam. The point is: when there are many gifted, fine, Tamil singers why do we need to seek out Hindi singers?? The Hindi MDs don't go looking for Tamil singers for their music!! IS THERE A SHORTAGE OF TAMIL SINGERS?? Let me mention Uma Ramanan, Vani Jeyaram, B.S. Sasirekha, Deepan Chakaravarthi, TL Maharajan, P. Jayachandran - are all fine Tamil singers. WHY then do we need Udit Narayan and Sonu Nigam or Sadhana Sargam (I can't still understand her song from Rhythm - the words are so indistinguishable!!) Tamil poets are fine, but their poetry is MURDERED by these singers who have no ROOTS in the language.
  
  CULTURE is something that is handed over from generation to generation. FUTURE Tamils are the losers in all this, I think.
  
  WhyNot....Are you a Tamilian?
  
  The affect is not going to be immediate. It is going to be long term. Hindi Singers are not singing a FEW songs - that would be novelty for sure. BUT they are singing a LOT of songs. And WORSE: they don't sound better even then!!
  
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ 212.219.189.4) on: Sun Dec 2 13:42:28 EST 2001
  
  I think it depends on the music and lyrics itself. If it's a song with good lyrics and classical style music, then it should be a singer with a good pronunciation that is made to sing it. For example, the song "Kannaamoochee yaenadaa?" from "Kandukondaen Kandukondaen" is such a sweet song and has really nice lyrics, so I think it's appropriate that Chithra sang it. I CANNOT IMAGINE and I HATE TO IMAGINE Kavitha Krishnamoorthy or Vasundhra Das singing it. They would simply murder the song. But suppose it was just a song like "Shakalaka Baby..." or some nonsense like that it's okay whoever sings it. And if the singers make an effort to get the pronunciation right and their voice is reasonably good, I can accept it (like Sadhna Sargam) but if there is no effort to get the pronunciation right and the voice is even more unbearable than the pronunciation (Sukhwinder Singh, Kavitha Krishnamoorthy, etc., etc.) then I really can't stand it when they are given good songs to sing ("Kaatrae..." from "Rhythm")
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.131) on: Sun Dec 2 13:49:19 EST 2001
  
  >>WhyNot....Are you a Tamilian? <<
  How does this figure in the whole picture?
  
  I agree wit your sentiment tat when there are many talented Tamil singers, there's no point in giving it to someone not a Tamil. But by arguing along those lines, u also have to do the same for other such trends like actresses in tamil movies, most of whom are from the north. I'm sure they can find talented actresses from TN if they wanted.
  As long as it's not widespread, it's not going to cause much damage. However since u say it's happening in lots of songs, i guess it's abit worrisome. But where culture is concerned, i think tat even without northies singing tamil songs, certain changes are taking place and will take place due to the way the world is.
  
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Dec 2 14:03:46 EST 2001
  
  Yes the question is pertinent. No offence.
  Tamils are called so because of their Language. Language is IDENTITY (People say I am Kannadiga, I am Telegu, I am Bengali, I am Malayalee...) BTW I am a Tamil brahmin from Mumbai. Whether I like it or not - I am referred to as Madrasi. You get what I am saying?? I am proud of my heritage. I am proud to be a Tamil.
  
  The point about actresses is invalid: Most northern imports in Tamil do not speak their own dialogues - they have TAMIL dubbing artistes dub for them!! Even Sridevi or Jaya Prada or others in Hindi had their Hindi dubbed.
  
  Vijay is right. Crappy songs and Colloquial Lyrics are OK - as they are just for FUN. But good songs are usually ruined by Singers who have no knowledge of the language and do not try to even get the Pronunciation right.
  
  And: if the Mumbai MDs have Sonu Nigam or Kumar Sanu they will not go looking for P.Jayachandran or KJ Yesudas.
  
  Let's say BAD is BAD.
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ 212.219.189.4) on: Sun Dec 2 15:19:37 EST 2001
  
  Another point I'd like to make (a bit difficult, as I don't want to offend Indhu when I disagree with her as she has agreed with my posting) is that Tamils are not "putting up" with the silly pronunciation and/or lyrics. The vat majority of people are not happy with the pronunciation, and most people have voiced their opposition to it, just like Indhu, but for some strange reason, music directors, producers, etc., etc. keep ignoring us. What can we do? I think TFMPagers can get together and send a letter to the music directors, but I doubt anything serious will come out of it. But that has given me an idea... I am going to start a new thread to explain that idea...
  
  
• From: Indhu (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Sun Dec 2 16:05:28 EST 2001
  
  I also think that Music Critics should be taken to task when they write "insincere" reviews and praise all-round bad stuff just becos it is sung by asha bhonsle or kavita k or hariharan - all that "arumai, arumai" is more like jalra than real criticism. The TAMIL public should be more VOCAL in their displeasure about the way their language is being corrupted by these Paid-For Reviews. The HINDI audiences always take issue with even the slightest accented singing in their language.
  
  WE HAVE TO SAY "NO" every time, again and again. Commercialism should NOT be allowed to DESTROY culture. By all means get good singers - but make sure they can sing with some clarity and respect for the LANGUAGE!!
  
  I have not heard any Mumbai critic go ga-ga-ga just because KJY or SPB or Chitra has sung in HINDI. What do the Tamil public get so excited when the MUMBAI singers sing in their language - and sing BADLY???
  
  

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