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Is newtfmpage Discussion forum quality degrading?

Topic started by NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on Thu Nov 1 16:27:38 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I am closely following this page since 1997 Feb.I visit atleast once in a day. I feel that this TFMDF is the best discussion forum I had ever seen on the net. I used to enjoy different discussions, variety of postings and mostly very good discussions in earlier days. I somehow find the discussions, topics discussed now a days really boring etc.

I find the following more now when compared to few years earlier.

1) More obsene words used than ever
2) Personalised attacks
3) Same topic discussed as different threads
4) Same posting in different threads
5) Very less interested postings( IMHO )
6) Most of the postings are not related to threads
7) Most threads are Comparing two artistes and
many more like this

Is it true that the quality of TFM page discussion forum is degrading Or I am only one feeling that? If true can we do something?

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Responses:

• From: ugnarok (@ 207.24.185.13) on: Thu Nov 1 17:17:58 EST 2001
  
  yeah! Replace all the visitors & posters of TFM with good guys overnight! Discussion will imporve :-))
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.160) on: Thu Nov 1 23:03:14 EST 2001
  
  NCR:
  
  I tis not a feeling but fact.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.160) on: Thu Nov 1 23:03:33 EST 2001
  
  NCR:
  
  It is not a feeling but fact.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 172.168.113.216) on: Thu Nov 1 23:33:44 EST 2001
  
  I think the admin(s) should remove senseless posts (without any partisanship).
  
  I dont know why those ringtone posts are still there. Bit of moderation will prevent the forum going forumhub way.
  
  Anyway we cant compare 1997 today. There were many worth people were there, but more got fed up with the kind of arguements here, and slowly left.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Thu Nov 1 23:43:05 EST 2001
  
  yes i agree. The discussions on SPB are really boring.
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Fri Nov 2 00:07:37 EST 2001
  
  Infact, no one really cared, when I voiced my opinions on this earlier. But one thing far clear is that, the threads nowadays are more politicized. I don't feel like posting comments on any of these threads.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.90) on: Fri Nov 2 00:46:34 EST 2001
  
  NCR, I think DF follows the current TFM trend:-))
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri Nov 2 00:47:55 EST 2001
  
  NCR,
  
  I agree with all the points(facts, as told by MS) except 5. It is not that i totally disagree with you at 5. Points 1-4 and 6,7 are mostly based on personal behaviour and as others said bit of strict moderation would bring back the horse to the road.
  
  Point 5, i find is more different from being a point of degradation. Its because most of the important, interesting ideas were discussed earlier itself(IMHO) and its like we are running out of ideas. Ofcourse, "running out of ideas" is associated with present mind set of the DFers.
  
  Why don't quality people(i.e technically sound people, people wanting geniune discussions etc) start new thread. One such thread I find is What determines whether a melody(tune) is good, great etc. by eden. Also some senseful discussion in the thread Where did Hey Ram and Sirai Chaalai' music fail in relation to the epic Lagaan makes it a quality thread.
  
  Now coming to factors constituting points 1-4 and 6,7. Leave those useless topic thread. Infact admin can end those thread almost immediately citing alternates.
  
  Now consider those good topic thread that turned out to be a battle field. Let us try to find why/how these threads turn out to be waste.
  
  First somebody talks about a point, a quality point. To counter it or to further discuss about it someone else quotes an example from his/her favourite person's(MD/Singer) product(even adding to the quality of discussion) but that is the spark. Those who are fond of fighting either pick the example and talk adversely about that example(that person and that person's favourite) or picks the example and talks adversely about the opposite MD/Singer and invites the dual from their alter-ego. That goes as reply to that post and reply to reply and reply to reply to reply and on and on. In such process the fight-lover drags in quality people also. Manytimes these quality people also reply to them explaining certain points, falling prey :-). Then jumps in some other fight-lover taking cue of some point in that posting and starting another fight. Generally if we see, in fighting threads, there will be more than one fight at a time and/or cascade of fights.
  
  
  What we have to do in such cases?
  
  IMO, if some fight-lover tries to drag in the quality person into the fight, the quality person don't have to reply to that fight-lover. The quality person should discuss point that is related to the topic. He/She should refrain from relating his/her past experience(especially sour experiences) in the forum. That is how sometimes as a mark of self-defence the quality person digress a bit to safe-guard him/herself even while talking about the topic. But unfortunately it is the breeding ground for the fight.
  
  Next, the admin has to immediately remove obscene and personal attack postings. I understand that the admin is caught in dilemma like our indian govt. In the name of freedom of expression we are giving too much room for attacks. The admin don't have to think that, only if that particular "four letter word" is typed fully only then we can remove. typing a part of it itself conveys its meaning. Then why sparing those posts? Just remove it. Our TFM Page is not governed by written laws like IPC where people find loop holes and go scot free. It is goverened by principles and that is a spectrum not a line like law.
  
  Ok let me stop here...i think whatever i typed makes sense, atleast to me if i read it from the board :-)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri Nov 2 00:50:47 EST 2001
  
  Quality point or Quality person do not necessarily mean a technically sound point/person. It also includes a geniune forumer. Now don't ask me to define who is geniune forumer :-)
  
  
• From: ec (@ 141.14.139.162) on: Fri Nov 2 05:17:16 EST 2001
  
  I want to make a comment here. I went to the thread 'friends forever' since it sounded interesting to me. But I found the comments completely distroying the original idea. I pity the person who started this thread and I would ask the admin to be very strict since there is no question of ego or fighting in such cases , but just hurting one's feelings.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 134.7.134.19) on: Fri Nov 2 07:48:43 EST 2001
  
  Grow up ec, u 'pity' someone on a thread? U must be kidding me! If u return to the thread, u'll notice tat the admin has sorta closed down the thread to prevent further participation in the thread. U may ask urself why. The person had obviously started the wrong thread at the wrong place.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 134.7.134.19) on: Fri Nov 2 07:56:58 EST 2001
  
  I haven't been visiting tfm forum long enuf to comment. But in the recent weeks, things seem abit slow, but this is definitely better anyday than forumhub like kk mentioned.
  But don't let's start segregating people into the 'high quality' 'low quality' categories ok. Whether someone is good in english/musically enlightened/technically sound etc etc, everyone should be respected enuf to voice their genuine opinions without being categorized.
  As much as a checking system needs to be in place to prevent a few wierdos from going to extremes, to much criticism (on the postings and the forumers) may just kill the spirit of the forum.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 134.7.134.19) on: Fri Nov 2 07:58:34 EST 2001
  
  I meant 'too much criticism'
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri Nov 2 08:56:41 EST 2001
  
  WhyNot,
  
  Let me clear what i had in my mind when I said "High Quality People/Postings". Those are People/Postings who don't indulge in fight, personal attack, abuse words etc etc.
  
  In my second post itself i tried to mention that. Might be that was not enough/appropriate.
  
  Hope this clears the vagueness in those words(Quality People/Postings).
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri Nov 2 08:59:25 EST 2001
  
  sorry typo
  
  it is not Let me clear what i had in my mind when I said "High Quality People/Postings".
  
  it is "Let me make it clear about what i had in my mind when I said "High Quality People/Postings".
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.144) on: Fri Nov 2 09:29:27 EST 2001
  
  I agrees with everone!! Stop all useles and idietic threds!!
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Fri Nov 2 09:48:36 EST 2001
  
  I am glad that many people feel the same way I feel. As I said earlier, I always regard this thread as the most decent discussion forum on the net.
  
  I used to see few names till couple of years back who used to give quality postings, lot of information, but I dont see them any more. Are we loosing them or they are not able to visit anymore?
  
  I also beleive that it is free world where any body can post their opinions but we shouldnt control, on the other hand we should loose the reputation., decency etc., If admin can do something to bring back the level, get back the people who left this forum then I would be the first one to feel happy.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Nov 2 10:36:17 EST 2001
  
  TFM page looks like a more democratic forum..There is a greater sense of freedom here and people voice their opinions freely.. Then and there these doubts arise and we argue rather healthily to findd an answer for that...However the a trivial solution can also be achieved by adopting the following, where forums like Bharat-rakshak have been doing for years. Some of them are
  
  1. Restrict users by banning users who often create fumes..
  2. Apply too much restrictions of topic such as what and which type of topics can only be allowed.
  3. Ask all to provide their email address compulsorily.
  4. Ask people to have their own user id and password..
  5. Create a set of administrators who keep constant track of the forum about what is happening here!
  6. Ban Comparison threads..
  
  I am sure people wud still come up with many such rules and regulations..And eventually what might be happening is "Applying too much restrictions on a vibrant democratic forum wud converge to a semi-coomunist forum"..Subsequently, I expect this forum to loose its charm and ending up where people may think few times before visiting this forum...
  
  The way the forum goes is good...Remember India is ugly and chaotic..but still no other country in the world is as democratic and free as India...Let TFM page reflect our true, uncontrolled thoughts....
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ 203.200.10.28) on: Fri Nov 2 11:50:00 EST 2001
  
  Btw, MS, you also started a thread on SPB. U 2 Brutus ?????????
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 64.124.150.130) on: Sat Nov 3 00:11:05 EST 2001
  
  Vijay:
  
  What is "SPB.U 2 Brutus"?? Is it new rock band??
  
  

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