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Movies that were mega hit, only becuase of excellent songs and music..! And not because of anything else..!

Topic started by Isai Rasigan (@ 68.82.139.60) on Tue May 7 14:51:29 EDT 2002.
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There are lot movies which were blockbusters just because of great songs and good music.

I think 'Karakaatakaaran', 'Chinnathambi' fits in to this category.

Pour your thoughts..!

Isai Rasigan

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Responses:

• From: kuja (@ 172.182.195.59) on: Tue May 7 15:08:13 EDT 2002
  
  Kadhalan, gentleman, kadhal dhesam, kizhaku cheemaiyile, Bombay
  
  Ulathai Allitha, minnale and many more
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Wed May 8 00:53:27 EDT 2002
  
  I guess this trend started only after 86 or so. b4 that there are many many instances of films being hit due to both music and other reasons, (e-g) alaigaL oivadhillai became hit for both songs as well as its juvenile love story(liked at that time).
  
  Good story and/or screenplay, new and/or different plots, happening of new "real" stars in both action as well as direction area became lesser aftermath 86. If a film is mega hit the main reason remained music.
  
  Otherwise, earlier, esp. in VR, KVM, era and the era prior to them films were hit mostly because of both music and stuff.
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66) on: Wed May 8 01:35:58 EDT 2002
  
  Mike mohan padangal
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 203.197.20.104) on: Wed May 8 01:46:16 EDT 2002
  
  "I guess this trend started only after 86 or so."
  
  And the man who undoubtedly started it, was IR.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Wed May 8 02:13:11 EDT 2002
  
  how a MD being responsible for non-music aspect of a film being not good or getting degraded?
  
  anyways -- paratta paththa vachchittiyae paratta :-)
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Wed May 8 03:31:11 EDT 2002
  
  kuja,
  
  I can agree to the other three you have given to some extend, But kizhaku cheemaiyile, Bombay in this list ? Please don't insult BharathiRaja and ManiRathnam for ARR !
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115) on: Wed May 8 04:08:31 EDT 2002
  
  Even gentleman doesn't fit in that list. Kadhalan is an music extravaganza, but with good screenplay and direction.
  
  "Ninaithaale Inikum" is the another movie which suits well. I need not comment about the screenplay and direction of the movie.
  
  
• From: e (@ 210.214.5.236) on: Wed May 8 04:59:51 EDT 2002
  
  But GR, ninaithAlE inikkum was a commercial flop...
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Wed May 8 07:59:32 EDT 2002
  
  G. R,
  
  Gentle man was very good with a refreshing story and picturisation (when it was released), Indiyan and Mudhalvan were equally good,
  
  IMO, the other two movies Shankar did are Jigina kuppaikaL, Ofcourse Music was very good in all the five !
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.115) on: Wed May 8 10:00:53 EDT 2002
  
  e, I had a impression that "Ninaithalle Inikum" was a hit movie. Then how is it so popular even now? I really cudn't imagine any other flop movie with such popularity. It is strange.
  
  
• From: e (@ 210.214.5.238) on: Thu May 9 08:13:18 EDT 2002
  
  GR,
  Why not, `uyirE' is another `popular' movie with `popular' music but a disaster at box office. There are so many of such (hEy rAm is another)...
  
  
• From: e (@ 210.214.5.238) on: Thu May 9 08:16:24 EDT 2002
  
  If one goes by the popularity of songs, he may assume that `ninaivellAm nithyA' was a black buster those days...while it didn't run even for a week anywhere...
  
  
• From: Kuja (@ 172.186.81.22) on: Thu May 9 17:09:43 EDT 2002
  
  NagaS,
  
  Don't irritate me. I hold you in high esteem. You haven't responded to my request yet.
  Gentleman, Indian were based on corruption in indian gov. and society. Curruption by itself is enough to draw the crowds. what i found more appealing in both these movies was ARR's music, though unrelated to the theme of each of these movies. Gentleman had Chikku Bukku Raile while Indian had kamal with his make-up obsession(but still ARR makes his presence felt more than anyone else). For that matter, everyone of Shankar's movies has relied on sensational effects. And Rahman comes trumps beating Shankar in terms of sensational effects in each of his themes. I thought Mudhalvan was one movie where Shankar showed his identity as a director and screenplay writer, but 'uppu karuvadu' and 'shakalaka baby' lingered on. ARR relied on Shankar for only one reason, presentation of his composition in visual media, nothing else.
  
  Shankar is a 'NOBODY' survived by ARR. Do you understand?
  
  
• From: kuja (@ 172.186.81.22) on: Thu May 9 17:29:55 EDT 2002
  
  NagaS,
  
  Responding to your other two movies.
  
  Bombay, just because it was ManiR, doesn't mean anything. This is one movie, where the music promised more than the movie by itself. In my opinion, MR had to rake up the political issues behind the movie, prior to the release just to draw attention to himself. Music had made its presence felt even before the movie was released.
  
  Kizhaku Cheemaiyile was no surprise in terms of the emotions that BR can evoke. The only thing that was different was ARR, a phenomenon that BR opportunisticaly tried to capitalise on. If you noticed, BR didn't give his usual commentary in this cassette as compared to his previous movies and the ones after this. As though someone asked him to just 'shut up'.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.49.179) on: Thu May 9 19:17:40 EDT 2002
  
  Kuja-
  did the directors of the following movies survive?
  Alli Arjuna-flop,Anthimantharai-flop ,Ashokan -flop,Daud (Ottam, 50-50)-flop ,Dil Se (Uyire) -flop,Duet -rubbish movie.,En Swaasa Kaatre -flop ,
  Iruvar -flop,Kandukonden -flop,Kannathill Muthamitaal -flop,Love Birds -flop ,Manitha Manitha (Gang Master)-flop,Jodi -recycled songs
  Kabhi Na Kabhi (Mona Lisa)-flop,Kadhalar Dhinam -flop,Sangamam -flop ,Super Police -flop,
  Taj Mahal -flop ,Tenaali -songs flopped
  Thakshak -?hit ,Thiruda Thiruda -flop
  Zubeida-flop,Parthale paravasam-flop
  star-flop,Kannathil mutamittal-flop
  Love you hamesha,12 ka 4-flops,nayak -flop,sangamam-flop,Mr.Romeo-flop,Vandicholai chinnarasu-flop,Yoddha-flop,were fire and earth hits?,Pudhiya mannargal-flop,Pavitra-so so
  uzhavan-flop,Pudhiya mugam-flop
  sorry-could not resist this after reading the tone of your posting.have a good day!
  
  
• From: CM (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Thu May 9 21:03:31 EDT 2002
  
  Kuja,
  I can agree to the fact that MR relies more on a sensational incident or background to give that extra push to his story like Bombay , Uyire, Roja etc. But comparing Shankar to MR is like comparing "apples with oranges". The things that Shankar is so markedly different from MR
  1. The subjects that he chooses are not based on sensational happenings but common issues that affects the every day living of the common man.
  2. He localizes his presentation to just the market i.e Tamils he intends to cater.
  3. The conviction with which the movie ends even though its controversial, like the endings of Gentleman or Indian.
  If one thing that Shankar knows or atleast has never failed to keep upto is the way to present his story with a grand locales and good music to present it with, typical commercial ingredients and he really has the pulse on the in things in society. Im all he is well aware of the market he intends to cater to and its likes/dislikes and markets it very well. I certainly wouldnt accept the fact that Shankar relies totally on the new tech gimmicks or music to make his film a success. If that were true then the "Aalavandhaan" must have been a sooper duper hit. He has the story that appeals to the masses he makes his movies for.
  
  
• From: CM (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Thu May 9 21:06:22 EDT 2002
  
  I would also add the biggest hit so far in TF "Payanangal Mudivathillai" also in this list. Im sure this would be controversial too.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Fri May 10 00:36:53 EDT 2002
  
  kuja,
  
  What is your request ? I don't remember :-(
  
  the topic of this thread says 'movies that were mega hit, ONLY because of excellent songs and music', I agree that music was too good in Bombay and KC, But that is NOT the ONLY reason for the movies' success - they had something more, good screenplay and wonderful dialogues to quote a few !
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 172.167.42.218) on: Fri May 10 01:21:59 EDT 2002
  
  well, as much i would like to say that a movie ran just because of music, i don't think *any* movie would have run because of *JUST MUSIC* alone..... Karakatakkaran had a nice flow - both comedy and the movie were never slow.... some one said "mike mohan" - again, i tend to disagree.... cause if its just music alone, hey, then people would have listened to it in radio/tv/tape.... i think as the "movie" was made to be a "watchable" (do we have a word like this?) - either cause of screen play or cause of direction or cause of photography or cause of all together....
  
  may be if we say cause of "BGM" - i would agree, but not certainly cause of songs alone....
  
  all, IMHO :-)
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Fri May 10 02:08:44 EDT 2002
  
  sabesan,
  
  I won't say karakaattakkaaran ran only 'coz of music ... its one of the 'best' (yes, I mean it) screenplays (for an entertainment movie) I have seen and I never seem to lose interested when I watch this movie (I think I have seen it atleast 10 times :-)
  
  Two more movies in the same category (IMO) - Badsha and Kaathalukku Mariyaathai - 2 padaththaiyum I have seen more than 10 times and looking for more :-)
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Fri May 10 02:34:57 EDT 2002
  
  NagaS and sabesan
  
  I agree with u regd. karagattakkaaran.
  
  To add to ur list paeriya idaththu peN, sagalakala vallavan, kaakki chattai, udhayageedham(peer to karagattakkaaran), murattukkaaLai, netRikkaN, thillu mullu(sans climax) etc were fast moving film.
  
  If we see keenly, many movies of MGR, Rajni (these two's movies mostly fall under entertainer category) had good screenplay and music in addition to their charisma.
  
  I would say the king of all such fast moving screenplay is thiruviLayaadal followed by thillaana mohanaambaL (surprisingly both films were having different sub-stories in them).
  
  But some films ran because of Music (e-g) singaravelan, vandicholaichinnaraasu (VCCR), villuppaattukkaaran (75days in moffussul area). VCCR ran a few days only because of the controverial song senthamizh naattu thamizhachchiyae but its music was good.
  
  
• From: WN (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Fri May 10 03:55:38 EDT 2002
  
  I'm not very sure how Bombay fared box-office-wise, but IMO there was alot more to the movie than jus the songs.
  Yaaro I think I know what ur trying to say, but ur list kind of weakens ur stand tat the directors do not need the MD (as many of those 'flop' movies u listed did well music-wise, even if they failed to spruce up 'ticket collections').
  I feel that maybe in the past people wud have gone to watch movies simply for the song, but these days when the songs are aired on tv almost as soon as the movie releases, there is no need to go to the movies jus to watch the picturisation of the songs. So we have this trend where the audio sales do well while the movie fails miserably, with the hit songs not doing much for the box-office collections. Jus my opinion, but as always there are exceptions.
  I think both Shanker and MR are worthwhile directors, and definitely dont think tat either of them owe their success to any particular MD.
  I dont believe in this theory of the MD 'beating' the director (in any dept), bcos they do different things for the movie (obviously), and it's very much a team effort.
  
  

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