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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.

The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.

1   2   3   4   5   6   7  8   9  10  11  12
S  R1  R2  R3  G3  M1  M2  P  D1  D2  D3  N3
       G1  G2                     N1  N2

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• From: ram (@ 134.121.73.24) on: Sat Dec 15 05:07:45 EST 2001
  
  Mandu,
  thanx for expalining,but I have never understood a bit of rock music....
  I dunno y Somehow i feel that rock lacks synchronisation
  
  
• From: ram (@ 134.121.73.24) on: Sat Dec 15 05:18:47 EST 2001
  
  Mandu,
  I ud definitelyt like to try figuring out the raga of those but not now,
  If I start listening to it then I'll definetly flunk in my final xams...
  my xams are over by Monday,I'll listen to thos by then,pls send me the link,
  till then let me go n struggle with my Take home exam:-((
  
  
• From: mandu (@ 203.196.129.98) on: Sat Dec 15 05:59:35 EST 2001
  
  Ram,
  Rock music, especially the genre of the 60's had European and American folk influence, which makes them at certain times, a very interesting blend of lyrics and melody. Infact there are certain songs, that have an obvious Indian influence, considering the 60's movement had a lot to do with the so called 'discovery of the east'. Pink Floyd scores extremely high on arrangement. Interestingly, rock music seems to appeal more to the people who are interested in Carnatic rather than Hindustani, I get the feeling its because of the structure of rock music per se. Unfortunately Rock is associated with the kind of trash that infilters the markets these days. And much like Classical music, I believe that rock should be introduced to a person in capsules. Unfortunately most people find themselves bombarded by too many genres of rock at the same time, hence it sounds a little cacophonous to the senses...
  Best of luck for your exams. Crack them! :-)
  Promise you links et al when you are free and we could try and figure out the raagam ..
  
  
• From: Amritha (@ 63.23.198.183) on: Sat Dec 15 15:26:22 EST 2001
  
  Mandu: If people who are FOND of you call you "mandu" I wonder what people call you when they don't like you! :)
  IR Fan: thanks for the link to the thavasi song. I am glad to find it is sung by Sujatha not Nithyasree, 'cos I am a nithya (forever) Nithya fan.
  Btw, talking about Nithyasree, I was listening to some songs by her whose raagams were not given on the CD and this is my guess. Please correct me if I messed up:
  
  1. "Un madhi muga vadanam ..." from venkatesha suprabhatam and srinivasa kalyanam (whole CD is in tamil) is shuddha dhanyasi. I make this guess because it sounds an awful lot like "kanngal engey" from karnan.
  2. "Nenjil uramum inri, nermai thiramum inri" from Nithyasree's Bharatiyar songs is in senjurutti.
  3. The number, "chaakar rakho ji" by MS (not Nithyashree) is in Maand.
  
  
• From: mandu (@ 203.196.129.98) on: Sat Dec 15 23:56:37 EST 2001
  
  Amritha,
  My maths teachers used to glare at me, my cousin steals my share of mysore pakkus. :-) People who are not fond of me... well.. I don't really bother listening to them, so I don't know what they refer to me as. Tho I'd say it wouldn't be something angelic!
  questions.. is kurai ondrum illai written by Rajaji? Does anyone know if the temple which is supposed to have inspired Sri Utthukadu Venkatasubbaiyar to compose 'alaipayuthe' still stands? And.. who wrote 'janani janani'?
  
  
• From: ram (@ ) on: Sun Dec 16 16:07:08 EST 2001
  
  Mandu,
  Kurai ondrum illai was written by Rajaji,no doubt abt that....
  i dunno abt the rest
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Sun Dec 16 22:54:13 EST 2001
  
  neha
  
  r u asking about janani janani jegam nee aham nee FROM Thai Moogambikai? If so, it is Vaali. Yes! the same mala mala lyricist ;-).
  
  
• From: mAnDu (@ 203.196.129.98) on: Mon Dec 17 04:55:32 EST 2001
  
  Ram,
  Thanks.
  Kupps gaaru,
  Yup, me was asking about that one. Vaali is a surprise!!
  
  
• From: ec (@ 141.14.139.162) on: Mon Dec 17 05:07:21 EST 2001
  
  IR, Vijay and MGR, thanks for the clarfication on ponenben.
  
  
• From: Jeera (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Mon Dec 17 14:56:00 EST 2001
  
  mandu
  
  Yes. The Temple still stands - a few kms from kumbakonnam - Or atleast it was standing until some 15 years ago - I guess- when I visited there - I remember vaguley taking a bus from kumbakonam and walking a few kms from the bus stop to reach the temple.
  
  
• From: mandu chloride (@ 203.196.129.98) on: Mon Dec 17 20:23:34 EST 2001
  
  Jeera,
  Thanks. :-).
  ... a lot....
  Not that I mean to sound intrusive, but what was your experience like .. if you remember that is.
  
  
• From: nakkeerar (@ 12.148.251.114) on: Tue Dec 18 10:55:12 EST 2001
  
  MGR: I saw yr query on 'Venmegam vinnil' from 'Naan sigapu manithan'. Do you have an audio link for the same?
  
  
• From: RR (@ 192.122.139.206) on: Wed Dec 19 03:37:01 EST 2001
  
  nakkeerar: it's in MIO.
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Thu Dec 20 05:00:19 EST 2001
  
  can anyone tell me the ragas of PP songs???
  
  
• From: MGR (@ 199.168.33.60) on: Thu Dec 20 14:42:55 EST 2001
  
  Nakeerar: here is the link.
  http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/moviedetail.asp?mid=T0000310
  
  
• From: nakkeerar (@ 12.148.251.114) on: Fri Dec 21 12:25:58 EST 2001
  
  RR, MGR: Thanks for the links ! Listened to the song after a longgggg time..
  
  MGR: I agree. It is Neelaambari & ShankarabaraNam mixed.
  Song reminds "Thaenae thenpaaNdi meenae",
  "Piya thumse nainaa laage re"(Hindhi)
  
  
• From: nakkeerar (@ 12.148.251.114) on: Fri Dec 21 12:28:23 EST 2001
  
  Marandhuttaenae.. very strongly reminds one of "O nenjae needhaan paadum geedhangaL"..(except for the neelaambari line..
  
  
  
• From: ir_fan (@ 202.56.194.135) on: Sat Dec 22 02:45:00 EST 2001
  
  is 'ilavenil idhu vaigaasi maadham' from 'kadhal rojave' based on kalyana vasantham?
  
  
• From: ram (@ 134.121.73.24) on: Sat Dec 22 17:25:50 EST 2001
  
  Hai all,
  I have heard that there is a convept called "SHRUTHI BEDHAM"....and IR is a genius in handling it....
  can anyone explain me what that is?
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Sat Dec 22 23:39:43 EST 2001
  
  ram,
  
  Please go through this, for your query.
  
  http://www.raajangahm.com/music.html
  http://www.raajangahm.com/music2.html
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 202.56.194.157) on: Sun Dec 23 01:54:08 EST 2001
  
  jog, thilang, nattai, chalanatai...can some one explain the clear differences with film song example and raga notation?
  
  
• From: ram (@ 134.121.73.24) on: Mon Dec 24 06:14:17 EST 2001
  
  Jog-Metti oli
  Thilang-Manathil uruthi vendum
  Nattai-a lot(maha ganapathim,narumugaiye...)
  Chalanattai-panivizhum malar vanam
  
  
• From: ram (@ 134.121.73.24) on: Mon Dec 24 06:16:27 EST 2001
  
  Venkatesh,
  That link was of great use to me but still i'm confused abt it....thanx neway
  Mandu,
  My xams over...let's try to figure out thr ragas of the Pink Floyd u mentioned....send me the link
  
  
• From: mandu chloride (@ 203.196.129.98) on: Mon Dec 24 10:52:10 EST 2001
  
  Ram,
  If you have Audiogalaxy, then try and download the following tracks:
  1) Goodbye, Blue Sky - Pink Floyd (Album- The Wall)
  2) Coming back to life - Pink Floyd (Album- Division Bell)
  3) Wish you were here - Pink Floyd (Album -Wish you were here)
  
  As I try to identify the raagas, I realize that its difficult because a lot of rock involves harmonizing. Am adding a few songs to this list that might be easier to figure out. Then we'll go on to more complicated stuff. :-)
  1) Fields of Gold - Sting (Album -Best of Sting)
  2) April come she will - Art Garfunkel
  3) Me and Bobby McGee - Janis Joplin
  4) Forever Young - Joan Baez
  5) Yellow Submarine - Beatles
  6) Winds of Change - Scorpions
  7) Sounds of silence - Simon and Garfunkel
  
  I guess somewhere along the way, you have to compromise slightly. Certain songs, you will have to ignore the interludes. In certain songs, there seems to such a mad change every now and then. Ignore the drama of Rock, pick on the lead and then focus all your attention on it. Happy Listening! In case you don't have Audiogalaxy and don't download music, post a message again and I will look for suitable Real Audio links.
  
  
• From: mandu (@ 203.196.129.98) on: Mon Dec 24 10:55:07 EST 2001
  
  BTW .. Ram, be patient. Rock grows on you. Its a little hard sometimes to get used to the 'supposed' cacaphony, but give it a shot nevertheless.
  
  
• From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Wed Dec 26 01:40:06 EST 2001
  
  IR, MS or anyone..pls help...jog, thilang, nattai, chalanatai...can you explain the clear differences (with or without film song example)? It would be of immense help if i get the raga notation and points on PRAYOGAMs where these tend to differ...help please.
  
  
• From: MGR (@ 199.168.32.7) on: Wed Dec 26 13:39:30 EST 2001
  
  IR_Fan: Here are the notations for those ragas, from Raga universe site.
  
  Thilang - S G3 M1 P N3 S | S N2 P M1 G3 S
  Nattai - S R3 G3 M1 P D3 N3 S | S N3 P M1 R3 S
  Chalanatai - S R3 G3 M1 P D3 N3 S | S N3 D3 P M1 G3 R3 S
  
  I couldn't find Jog there. Ram has posted some examples for you.
  
  
• From: ram (@ 24.47.158.78) on: Wed Dec 26 18:50:44 EST 2001
  
  MGR,
  Jog is the hindustani equivalent of nattai
  
  

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