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Pudhumaiaana PaadaLgAL

Topic started by Gokul (@ p1.echostar.com) on Sat Mar 21 20:36:45 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I am not sure if this thread has been attempted
before: If so , Ravi..Knock this off!

Many pioneers in TFM have innovated in a variety
of ways to make TFM absolutely Great.

The Keyword here is UNIQUENESS!

I would love to identify songs that are truly unique.

Uniqueness could be in

--Construct of Music (Style,Instruments etc)
--Singing
--Lyrics

As my knowledge of MDs other than IR is very limited , I request Kanchana,SK,Gopal,RajaRam,
Ramki & others to pitch in for TFM prior to IR.

My Examples for Unique Songs:

1. maNNil Indha Kaadhal - Keladi kaNmanNi
-- For SPB's Singing

2. KalaivaaNiye - Sindhu Bhairavi
-- For the musical construct

Now.. Over to you folks..

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Responses:

• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.140.75) on: Sat Mar 21 21:44:59 EST 1998
  
  Two songs that come to my mind immly:
  
  adhisaya raagam - apoorva raagangal (rare of usage of 4 note scale for a film song)
  
  sangeethame - koyil puraa (probably the only film song in the rare rasikapriya ragam)
  
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.140.75) on: Sat Mar 21 21:49:48 EST 1998
  
  Gokul,
  I think you can add "mahaganapathim" from SB too. No percussion used for a pure carnatic song.
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust25.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Sat Mar 21 22:33:04 EST 1998
  
  AahAya vennilAvE......arangEtravELai
  
  
  
• From: Madhan (@ 202.41.117.44) on: Sat Mar 21 23:43:12 EST 1998
  
  
  "Kanmani anbodu kaadhalan" - GUNA - I cannot think of any other song with such "Urainadai" style composition - perhaps " Sippiyirukkudhu " from VARUMAIYIN NIRAM SIVAPPU comes under the same category.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Sun Mar 22 00:04:44 EST 1998
  
  gOpAl: En neenga aahaaya vennilAvEya intha listla sErthu irukkeenga?
  Madhan: 'thenRalOdu udan piranthaaL' from R. R. chOzhan has a "urainadai' construct if by that you mean some one speaks the lines first and then some one sings it to a tune. I would have thought urainadai would be something like 'antha naaL ngyabagam' from uyarntha manidhan.
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust168.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Sun Mar 22 00:14:03 EST 1998
  
  Ravi: yErumugam:) I mean pAttu AarohanaththilayE tune seyyapattirukku.
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ p1.echostar.com) on: Sun Mar 22 00:42:55 EST 1998
  
  gOpal
  
  Innum Thoongaliya?
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ p1.echostar.com) on: Sun Mar 22 00:46:02 EST 1998
  
  Tham Thana Thaalam Varum ..
  
  For the longest Pallavi ?
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.214) on: Sun Mar 22 02:24:26 EST 1998
  
  'dhom dhom dhomda' from sindu bhairavi being the only song in kanakaangi.
  'enna paatu paadi' from sakalathi,the controversial song which is the first of its kind
  in terms of folk type dappanguthu songs based on a raga mayamalava gowlai.
  vijay
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.140.78) on: Sun Mar 22 03:15:28 EST 1998
  
  Vijay
  I heard (from soc.culture.tamil) that MSV also has a kanakaangi to his credit. This needs to be verified. But there is one kanakaangi in Malayalam. (Bharat, help me with the film name. )
  So it's definitely not unique for indian film scene.
  
  BTW, how is 'enna paattu paada' unique? (We are not discussing about firsts, for your info.)
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ p1.echostar.com) on: Sun Mar 22 04:42:17 EST 1998
  
  PonMaalai Pozhudhu...
  
  For Bringing in PudhuKavidhai to ThamiZh Cinema
  Paadal..?
  
  Rajaraman: Your point about firsts is quite correct. Firsts need not be unique!
  
  
• From: anon (@ ts13-7.slip.uwo.ca) on: Sun Mar 22 11:00:25 EST 1998
  
  Naan pirandhu... from Maya Bazaar 1995:
  The only acapella song in TFM (Indian Films?)
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust152.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Sun Mar 22 11:41:01 EST 1998
  
  Gokul:
  
  indha topicla nichchayamA carnatic music therinjavanga nalla contribute pannalAm. Becos, mostly songs are rAgA based with lots of nuances involved. Externally, the observation, need not necessarily reveal such data.
  Any comments?
  
  anon ayya avargaLe
  
  Could you be more specific? we wish to know about that.
  
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tp02.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 22 12:08:55 EST 1998
  
  Some more.....
  GRamanathan's use of "muhAri" (sOga) rAgam for one charaNam in mAsilA nilavE romantic duet in ambikApathy.
  MSV-TKR's use of yAzh in karNan (could someone please verify?).
  MSV-TKR's use of the vedic chants tune for a section of taittarIya upanishad (yajur vEdA) for Ayiram karangaL nItti in karNan.
  MSV's use of pure karaharapriyA in mAdhavip ponmayilAL and pure sudhdhadhanyAsi in nIyE enakku endRum nigarAnavan.
  MSV's true-to-original adaptation of the "cha-cha" dance tune in LRE's paLinginAl oru mALigai.
  IR in Sindhu Bhairavi's kalaivANiyE "ArOhaNam" only approach.
  IR (& VM) in Moondram Pirai's vAn engum thanga viNmeengaL vizhiyimai mooda sooriyan vandhu kadal kuLiththERum nEram as one of the longest pallavis in TFM.
  ARR's no-instrument music in rAsAththi from Thiruda Thiruda.
  
  There is a song from "Nammavar" where no real instruments were used but were simulated by human voices. Song? MD?
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust39.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Sun Mar 22 15:25:50 EST 1998
  
  Kanchana
  
  It was Mahesh - MD.
  
  I think senthamizh thEn mozhiyAL too was based on the sOga rAgam - muHari
  
  Raaja has given many such songs. 'rAgA guys' to come out with those songs.
  
  
• From: Krish (@ mailserver01.sb.com) on: Sun Mar 22 15:45:29 EST 1998
  
  Someone wrote that ARR was the first to use no-instrument music in Thiruda Thiruda. That is absolutely not true. Ilayaraaja used it in Pagalil oru Iravu, an IV Sasi movie for a S Janaki song. It was very popular in the late 70s or early 80s. I forget the name of the song. But it was done first by Ilayaraaja. The other popular song in this movie is "Ilamai enum Poongatru" by SPB.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-ta03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 22 16:25:18 EST 1998
  
  Krish:
  
  I think the comment was ARR's no-instrument music in rAsAththi from Thiruda Thiruda. It was not said as ARR's first. Infact there is a little bit of percussion music in that song merged cleverly along with the humming voices.
  
  I am still curious as to whether there is any TFM song with absolutely no-instrument music ?
  
  There is one in Kannada Song very recently by IR which has absolutely no-instrument song, and a great melody in Prema Raaga Haadu Gaelathi.
  
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-ta03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 22 16:33:06 EST 1998
  
  Krish:
  
  I just remembered a song with absolutely no-instruments song in Varumaiyin Niram Sivappu by MSV. The song is a Bharathiyar song starts something like :
  
  
  Theertha karaiyinilae,
  Therkku moolayil, shenbagathottathilaee
  Paarthirundhaal varuvaen vennilaavinil
  PaangiyOdendru sonnaan . . .
  Vaarthai thavari vittal
  Adi kannamma maarbu thudikkudhadi
  Paartha idathil ellam unnai pOlavae paavai theriyudhadi aaahhhhhhhhh paavai thriyudhadi...
  
  
  I don't have this song in the cassette I have, but this song is there in the movie and I remember that this song absolutely did not have any music but the tune and meaning was so lilting.
  
  
• From: anon (@ ts8-5.slip.uwo.ca) on: Sun Mar 22 17:14:26 EST 1998
  
  Sorry for not being specific before. an acapella is basically the type of song that is being discussed: unaccompanied singing, usually involving vocal harmonies. The thiruda thiruda song is not quite in this category, some instruments do figure, if I am not mistaken. THe song from Maya Bazaar '95 I quoted before uses no instruments, just human voices...
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-tb01.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 22 23:12:18 EST 1998
  
  Gopal, Bhaskar, anon:
  Thx for the info on the Nammavar & Thiuda Thiruda song.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tk05.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 22 23:25:47 EST 1998
  
  Gokul:
  
  Indha paadal kooda oru vagaiyula romba Unique dhaan, it makes you skip the track or forward the song as soon as you hear the first line Kavalai padadhae sagOdhara! :-))))))))))))))))))))))
  
  Padam : Kadhal Kottai
  Isai : Thaenisai thendral theva :-))))
  Padiyavar : Kuzhalisai kural theva :-)))
  Lyrics : Agaraadhi Agathiyan :-)))
  
  
  Kavalai padadhae sagodhara
  Engamma karumari kathu nippa
  Kaadhalathaan saethu vaippa
  Kavalai padadhae sagodhara
  Yamma Yammaaaaa............!
  
  Yamma Yamma uruvathila summaa
  Mayangavillai amma
  Manasa pattha kaadhal dhanamma
  
  Kavalai padadhae sagodhara
  Engamma karumari kathu nippa
  Kaadhalathaan saethu vaippa
  
  Gandhi selai pakkathula paartha
  Kaadhal vaeradhaan
  Kasikaetha ullu kulla paartha
  Kaadhal vaeradhaan
  Beachukku thaan pOra
  Kaadhal thirumburappa mudiyudhu
  
  Auto Otti suthurapppooooooo
  Oooohhhhhhhhhhhhh...........
  
  Naan auto Otti suthurappooo
  Kadhalicha saedhidhaan
  Aalu mathi Kaadhalichaa kadhaiyaa
  pathaaa saedhidhaan
  Kannala paathu paathu vandha
  Kaadhal nooru daaa...
  Kanniyamana Kadhal un Kaadhaldhaanada
  
  SagOdharaaa...... SagOdharaa.......
  
  Lift-u kaettu vandha
  Kaadhal shift maari pOnadhu
  Selai vangi kudutha
  Kaadhal kaala vaari vittadhu
  Office-ula vandha
  Kaadhal anju manikku mudinjadhu
  Adutha Kaadhal bus-stopula
  Aararai manikku nadandhadhu
  
  Nooru roovai note-aa paatha
  aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa............
  ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh.........
  
  Kannala paathu paathu vandha
  Kaadhal nooruda
  Kavithuvamana Kaadhal un
  Kaadhal dhaanadaaa
  
  SagOdharaa ...... SagOdhara .....
  
  
  Over to more serious discussions :-)))))))))))))))
  
  
• From: RV (@ nat-20.avanticorp.com) on: Mon Mar 23 00:28:39 EST 1998
  
  En Kanmani Un Kadali - Chittukkuruvi - The first use of counterpoint in TFM.
  
  Yaradi Nee Mohini - Utthama Putthiran - Probably the first "rock"-ish tune in TFM.
  
  Kaise Kahoon Kuch Keh Na Sakoon - Nandu - The only Hindi song in TFM.
  
  

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