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IR Vs ARR - Emotion of the songs

Topic started by Raghu (@ 203.200.198.9) on Fri Oct 17 02:31:02 EDT 2003.
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I want this thread to be a decent IR Vs ARR debate. I want to make a list of songs that leave a very powerful emotional impact and compare the creations of IR and ARR. To begin with we can start with the emotion of sorrow / sadness. IR has a few really strong candidates starting from his very first movie. ARR has his powerful chakravaaham from Muthu.

Sondhamillai bandhamillai - Annakkili
Amma nee sumandha pillai - Annai oar aalayam
Thaayundu thandhai undu - Koyil Kaali

Vidukadhaiyaa - Muthu

One to be in one of their better frames of mind to be able to withstand the onslaught of these songs.

Let the healthy IR Vs ARR debate begin

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Responses:

• From: raghu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Fri Oct 17 02:32:28 EDT 2003
  
  Make that penultimate line
  "One has to be in one of their better frames of mind to be able to withstand the onslaught of these songs".
  
  
• From: raghu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Fri Oct 17 02:37:18 EDT 2003
  
  More sorrowful numbers from IR
  
  Aan pillaiyendraalum, saan pillai thaan andro - aarilirundhu arubathu varai
  
  C'mon ARR fans. Expecting a healthy debate here.
  
  P.S: Desperately trying to get some front page attention for the thread.
  
  
• From: srina (@ 203.197.159.57) on: Fri Oct 17 02:54:42 EDT 2003
  
  1.rasathi en usuru ennadhilla
  2.ennaatha ponnaatha
  3.poraale ponnuthayi
  4.thenkizhakku seemaiyile
  
  
• From: raghu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Fri Oct 17 02:57:58 EDT 2003
  
  Rojaavai thaalaattum thenral - Ninaivellaam nithya
  Nandooruthu nariyooruthu - Bhairavi
  Paesaathey, vaayulla oomai nee - Theebam
  
  Average (not so powerful) sad songs from IR
  Adi aathaadi - Kadalora kavidhaigal
  Then paandi seemaiyiley - Nayagan
  Pothi vacha (pathos) - Mann vaasanai
  
  
• From: raghu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Fri Oct 17 03:13:57 EDT 2003
  
  Poraaley ponnuthaayi certainly is a powerful one. How did I forget that.
  
  While listing the songs, please remember that the movie story might use the song in a different situation (than say sorrow), even then if the song leaves a taste of sorrow then it needs to be mentioned here.
  
  Hai raama, from rangeela, for example might be considered a sorrow-filled song.
  
  Happy listing
  
  
• From: Suresh (@ 67.38.17.215) on: Fri Oct 17 06:53:00 EDT 2003
  
  to name a few of the sad/sorrow/haunting pieces from Raaja which affected me:
  
  Vaarthai thavari vittai...(sethu)
  Nallathor veenai seithaen..(Bharati)
  sola pasungiliayae...(en raasavin manasilae)
  En thaayaenum koyilai...(aranmanai kili)
  
  
• From: curses (@ 219.65.108.23) on: Fri Oct 17 08:40:30 EDT 2003
  
  Bombay theme.. ("Malorodu")
  that one managed to get me choked up..
  
  1 classic by IR was
  "Karpoora bommai ondru"
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.210.35.93) on: Fri Oct 17 09:35:26 EDT 2003
  
  get some taste of sorrow/sadness frm this list.
  thenae thenpaandi meenae
  uthaya geetham paduvaen
  nilavae mugam kattu
  poguthae poguthae
  sangeetha jaathi mullai
  chinna pura ondru
  kudagu malai kaatril
  kaanalukkul meen
  paadi parantha kili
  priya sagi
  o priya priya
  thagida thathimi
  kuyila pudichi
  unnai nenachaen
  muna mudichala muttala..
  ennadi meenatchi
  yaar veetil
  naan paadum mouna..
  vaanuyrnatha solayilae
  amma amma enthan..
  akkam pakkam paarada
  nenjukullae
  aarum athu
  mandram vantha
  nilavae vaa..
  thaedum kan parvai
  uchi vaguntheduthu
  pethu eduthuvathaan..
  ellorudaya valkayilum..
  poongatru
  empattu empattu
  poongatrae
  engae nimmathi engae nimmathi thaedi ponen
  eduthu vacha paalum
  ullukulla chakaravarthi
  maratha vachavaen
  raaga theebam etrum naeram
  maniyosai kaetu elunthu
  vaigaraiyil
  malaiyoram veesum
  raaja enbar
  paadatha themaangu
  anbai sumanthu
  poove sempoove
  kanavu kaanum
  eeramana rojavae
  uyirae uyirin
  uyirae uyirae
  enna thesamo
  kanavugalae
  thendral katrae
  aaradi suvaruthaan
  kaathirunthu
  raasaathi unnai
  aalolam paadi
  chinna chinna rosa poovae
  chitukku chella
  maalai karukayilae
  kannana kannana en kanna
  en jeevan paaduthu
  chinna mani kovililae
  kanne kalaimaane
  thanni thitti thaedi vantha
  anna ennna thambi enna
  anbae vaa arugilae
  nadanthaal irandadi
  kadalulu elumbura
  aalpirantha magaraasa
  ammana summa illada
  solai pasungiliyae
  petha manasu
  saamigale saamigale
  en purusshan thaan
  un kuthamma
  un nenja thottu sollu
  annakili unnai
  vaarthai thavarivittai
  enna enna kanvu kandayo
  naan yaaru
  pen manasu aalamendru
  engae sellum
  antha vanthai pola
  thaayundu thanthaiyundu
  ........... the list goes on and on and on...
  will be adding on the list later
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 203.200.33.65) on: Fri Oct 17 10:07:59 EDT 2003
  
  raghu, Count these two mildly melancholic melodies from IR on the same
  Chakravaaham (or) AhirBhairav note
  Poongaatre nillu from the film Friends and
  Iniya malargal pookum from Poonthottam
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 156.153.255.236) on: Fri Oct 17 10:33:12 EDT 2003
  
  My fave IR sad songs(5 is enough for now):
  Azhagiye kanne
  Vaanuyarntha solaiyile
  Karpoora bommai ondru is a great one as curses said.
  Thaalaatu maari ponadhe
  Raaja enbaar mandhiri enbaar
  
  ARR sad ones:
  Kannaalane
  Kaadhal rojave
  Uyire
  Tamizha tamizha
  
  
• From: x (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Fri Oct 17 10:44:31 EDT 2003
  
  Poongaatre from Friends is a good 'sad' song.
  This song is heavily inspired by MSV's 'ullathil nalla ullam' song from movie Karnan. Some may argue that is copied.
  
  Ullathil naala ullam - is my all time favourite sad song. Seerkazhi's great voice with MSV's perfect tune and kannadhasan's lyrics.. when it comes to sad songs, MSV surely beats everybody else.
  
  From IR, kanne kalaimaane from moondram pirai, kanavugale kanavugale from Aanandha Raagam and SPB's the great sangeetha jadhi mullai are my favourites.
  
  From ARR, I liked 'kaadu potta kaadu' from karuthamma.
  
  
• From: x (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Fri Oct 17 10:45:50 EDT 2003
  
  Forgot to add ARR's kaadhal rojave from Roja. That's a classic.
  
  
• From: raycas (@ 131.130.125.13) on: Fri Oct 17 11:59:55 EDT 2003
  
  hey, 'then pandi cheemayile' from nayagan is one of the most haunting and sad songs i've ever heard. and i have this opinion since i heard it first back in the 80s.
  i've always imagined composing a charanam to this song as it was unfortunately only a 'bit'-song.
  
  raycas
  
  
• From: DS (@ 198.182.5.173) on: Fri Oct 17 13:28:04 EDT 2003
  
  I would rate IRs 'Poongatru' from mudhal mariyadhai as one of te best sad songs. its not exactly a sad song but has so much pain in it. classic number.
  as far as ARR is cncerned it would be either 'uyire' from bombay or 'porale' from karuthamma. tough decision.
  
  
• From: LDD (@ 192.136.16.3) on: Fri Oct 17 14:48:26 EDT 2003
  
  How about ...
  aarariro padiyatharo thoongi panatharo..
  from thaiku oru thaalatu
  
  
• From: raghu (@ 203.200.198.9) on: Sat Oct 18 00:05:07 EDT 2003
  
  From the list of postings, my consolidated list
  
  I'd like to further qualify the sad / sorrowful situations as the ones created by separation (temporary or permananent). I'd classify Poongaatru from mudhal mariyaadhai as more of a Nondhufying type than a sad /sorrow one. I have not listened to some of IR latest numbers and am not familiar with ARR's lesser popular ones either.
  
  IR
  En thaayaenum koyilai...(aranmanai kili)
  Karpoora bommai ondru...(Keladi kanmani)
  chinna pura ondru...(anbey sangeetha)
  unnai nenachaen...(apoorva sagodharargal)
  uyirae uyirin...(en bommukkutty ammavukku)
  kanavugalae...(anandha raagam)
  kaathirunthu...(vaidhehi kaathirundhaal)
  thaayundu thanthaiyundu...(koyil kaalai)
  sangeetha jaadhi mullai...(kaadhal oviyam)
  Azhagiya kanney...(udhiri pookkal)
  
  ARR
  Kannalanae...(bombay)
  Kaadhal rojavae...(roja)
  Uyirey uyirey...(bombay)
  Vidukathaiyaa...(Muthu)
  
  Going ahead with the next mood. I'd like to propose "one with nature". The songs should be mainly emphasising a theme where a character is enjoying the sensation of nature in solitude. I'd Panneeril nanaindha pookkal a decent song, malaiyaala karaiyoram as average and putham pudhu kaalai as very good. Once again the movie scene need to reinforce the sensation one experiences while listening to a song.
  
  IR
  Putham pudhu kaalai
  Kaalai paniyil ...(Gayathri)
  
  Happy listing.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.180.225) on: Sat Oct 18 01:25:27 EDT 2003
  
  Raghu,
  ARR's list can have a few additions...
  1) Evano Oruvan (Alaipayuthey)
  2) Engae Enathu Kavithai (Kandukondaen*2)
  3) Poongaatrile (Uyire)
  4) Vidai Kodu (Kannathil Muthamittal)
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 210.186.42.114) on: Sat Oct 18 01:50:06 EDT 2003
  
  wut about :
  
  Yen melvizhunta - May Madham
  Kadhal Arunde Ganame - Boys (played in the movie)
  O kadale - Kadhal Virus
  
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 203.129.195.138) on: Sat Oct 18 02:06:33 EDT 2003
  
  AR'S BEST SAD SONGS
  POONGATRILAE(UYIRE)
  KADHAK ROJAVAE(ROJA)
  VELLAI POOKAL,VIDAI KODU(KANNATHIL MUTHAMITTAL)
  PORALAE PONNU(KARUTHAMMA)
  EVANO ORUVA(ALAIPAYUTHEY)
  EN KADHALAE(DUET)
  ENGEY ENADHU KAVIDHAI(KANDUKONDAIN)
  BOMBAY THEME
  UYIRE(BOMBAY)
  MINNALAE(MAY MADHAM)
  
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 219.94.127.68) on: Sat Oct 18 02:38:52 EDT 2003
  
  what man .........NO COMPARISON...........AGREED RAHMAN GIVES SUPERT HIT GREAT MUSIC...BUT NO WAY NEARER OR COMPARABLE WHEN IT COMES TO HEART TOUCHING MUSIC OF IR....HUH........
  
  AND SIMILARLY REGARDING MUSIC THAT CAN PULL PUBLIC AND MAKE THEM DANCE .....IR IS NOWHERE COMPARABLE TO AR...........
  
  
  

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