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Song from KARNAN

Topic started by mana_sijan (@ 63.214.191.66) on Thu Apr 25 13:38:03 EDT 2002.
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Does anyone remeber the lyrics for this piece from the movie KARNAN ? It goes something like "Ayiramkarangal neeti azhaikinra thaye potri", it is a verse thats sung in the background while Sivaji is praying to Surya, and at the end of the verse, while he is leaving, Surya warns him about Indra waiting in the diguise of an old brahmin ?

Also i cant seem to find any audio of this very beautiful verse either ? Does any one have it ?

Thanx

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• From: music-fan (@ 207.86.27.163) on: Thu Apr 25 14:40:31 EDT 2002
  
  One song in Karnan by TMS, PBS, SG, TL and others. Do you know what song it is and is it available in any website to listen? - a wonderful song.
  
  
• From: pathan (@ 204.114.53.144) on: Thu Apr 25 16:35:42 EDT 2002
  
  all most all the songs except 'aayirum karangal' is there in dhool.com
  
  
• From: pathan (@ 204.114.53.144) on: Thu Apr 25 16:40:18 EDT 2002
  
  the song that u r looking for is in 2 different pieces in dhool.com.
  
  1. mannavar porutkalai
  2. mazhai kodukkum kodayum oru 3 madham
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.79.52) on: Fri Apr 26 00:37:23 EDT 2002
  
  thats an outstanding piece from karnan .. sirgazhi and chorus doing full justice... and finally TMS joins the bandwagon... even i wd luv to hv the lyrics :-)
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Apr 26 03:46:12 EDT 2002
  
  Superb Rendering by the great Dr.Seerghazi S.Govinderajan.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Fri Apr 26 03:47:59 EDT 2002
  
  add, Ullathil nalla ullam & poniyam ithuvendru ulagham sonnal (bhavad Gita) is also superb, i get really emotional when listening to this song, master piece by Dr.S.Govinderajan & Kanadhasan.
  
  wow, what song, man
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.139.147) on: Fri Apr 26 08:43:47 EDT 2002
  
  But they were not sung by SP Bala, Raghu? :)
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Fri Apr 26 09:36:50 EDT 2002
  
  ROTFL,
  Good one !!
  After Raghus post the first thing which i verified was whether Sergazhi is a onnu vitta chithappa of SPB..NOM Raghu..:-))
  SPB and Raghu made for each other !!
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.188.99) on: Fri Apr 26 09:56:20 EDT 2002
  
  peeps
  It is fortunate that this forum is SP Bala friendly. If not, wonder what will happen to Raghu. :)
  
  
• From: music-fan (@ 207.86.27.163) on: Fri Apr 26 11:36:31 EDT 2002
  
  thx pathan. I looked at dhool.com but couldn't find the portion of the quartret song by PBS. It starts with 'Enna koduppan edhai koduppan..'. Please let me know where I can hear this piece. thanks again.
  
  
• From: vgs (@ 157.161.133.194) on: Fri Apr 26 12:18:47 EDT 2002
  
  On reading the intro to this thread, I got the feeling of déja vu because I had read about this song in the archives. I tracked it down to the "Bringing ilakkiyam to the Paamaran" thread. ( http://newtfmpage.com/forum/8955.137.19:53:29.html ).I am posting the portion relevant to this thread.
  
  
  From: Manisekaran (@ bat-50-165.tm.net.my) on: Sun Feb 1 12:03:34 EST 1998
  
  
  Kanchana,
  Thank you really for touching on Gita.Taking the lead from that let me touch on "Aayiram Karangal Neetti" in Karnan. It used to be thought that Veiyitketra Nizhalundu Veesum Thendral Kaatrundu from Kalvanin Kathali laid the yardstick for translation into Tamil of foreign songs. That was a song of Umar Khayam translated by Desiga Vinayagam Pillai. Likewise in Karnan, Kannadasan has created great impression on the hearts and minds of the Veda chanters. Kannadasan amd MSV/TKR spent 15 days in Bangalore to compose the songs for Karnan. They brought the veda chanters to their hotel room and requested them to chant the vedas. After listening to the chanting, Kannadasan was highly inspired and he composed the following lines:-
  
  "Aayiram Karangal Neeti
  Anaikkindra Thaye Potri
  Arul Pongum Mugathai Kaati
  Irul Neekam Thanthai Potri
  Thayinum parinthu Sala Sagalarai Anaippai Potri
  Thazhaikkum Or Uyirkatkellam Thunakkaram Koduppai Potri
  Thoorathey Neruppai Vaithu Saarathai Tharuvai Potri
  Gnayire Nalamey Vazhga Nayagan Vadivey Potri
  Naanilam Ulla Naal Mattum Potruvom Potri Potri"
  
  In any translation, you may only get the form(Vadivam)but seldom the spirit(unarchi). When this song was relesed, remarks were made that Kannadasan was able to retain the original form and spirit of the Sanskrit Vedas in the Tamil translation. This piece remains one of the masterpieces of Kavgnar.
  
  
  
• From: kik (@ 207.0.105.171) on: Sat Apr 27 22:21:44 EDT 2002
  
  Not the Vedas, but adithya hridayam (from valmiki ramayanam; recited by agastyar to raman when he wonders how to kill ravanan) - the lines scan beautifully with the sanskrit recitation (e.g. sengalipuram anatharama dikshithar's recital available on HMV).
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 61.11.78.98) on: Mon Apr 29 01:14:28 EDT 2002
  
  Karnan's MD was GRamanathan...and not MSV/TKR
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 64.105.35.40) on: Mon Apr 29 03:11:55 EDT 2002
  
  Vj, the MDs are MSV-TKR indeed. The song(s) sung by four singers
  mazhai kodukkum - Seergazhi
  nANi chivanthathu - Tiruchy Loganathan
  mannavar porutkaLai - TMS
  enna koduppAn - PBS
  and then the 'Ayiram karangaL neetti' chant. Great team work by MSV-TKR, Kannadasan and all the singers. Hats Off !!!
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon Apr 29 04:18:04 EDT 2002
  
  It was rumoured that Karnan really shook GR because BR Panthulu shifted from GR to MSV-TKR in this movie .(Aayirathil oruvan followed)
  
  GR -Pantulu combo gave the ultimate one with "Kappalotiya Thamizhan"
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Mon Apr 29 04:41:42 EDT 2002
  
  also VeeraPandiya Kattabomman
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon Apr 29 04:45:54 EDT 2002
  
  Kattabomman songs are just no match for KOT.It is one of the greatest single movie album of Tamil Cinema.
  
  Save for Inbam pongum and Singara Kanne other songs were just ordinary. (maatu Vandi,Jakkamma,Vetri vadi velan etc)
  
  But KOT like Karnan all the songs were great.
  Nejil uramum indri
  Oodi vilayadu pappa
  Katru veliyidai kannamma
  Velli pani malayil
  Endru thaniyum indha
  Vandhe mathram enbom
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 64.105.35.40) on: Tue Apr 30 02:46:32 EDT 2002
  
  OISG, even I am not a great fan of VPK songs. And there is this song on Muruga resembling GR's own 'sundari soundari niranthariyE'. Both are prayer songs and both are in Kurunji ragam.
  There is this PBS version of 'manjaL mugam niram mAra' that was absent in the edited version of the movie. Interestingly, Hindustani classical artistes were brought down from Bombay like say, Bismillah Khan. They were all generously used in the BGM scores and songs. The 'iravum nilavum' song has MSV's pet performer Sathyam and Bismillah Khan playing Shehnai together. My favourite interlude piece is the sarangi piece in Hamsanandi with xylophone before PBS's 'enna koduppAn'.
  
  
• From: NAGARAJAN (@ 209.58.26.20) on: Tue Apr 30 03:43:57 EDT 2002
  
  'Manjal Mugam Niram Maari' song is there in the movie and in the latest audio released on Karnan' (audio released in 1983).
  
  But, the concluding part, by PBS, is missing both in the movie and in the audio casettee.
  
  It goes like that : 'Sanginaal Paal Koduththaal sandhana vaai noghumendru, thangaththall sanghu............ '
  From the lyric, you will notice that in the film it is by Dhuriyodhanan, to Karnan's son.
  
  The song having this portion was rarely broadcasted in Radio Ceylon and in AIR
  
  The old 78 rpm record should be available in the southern districts of Tamil Nadu.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Tue Apr 30 05:19:38 EDT 2002
  
  Iravum nilavum has the simple and best interlude.
  
  SL , could you list out any Hindi movie where in so much of NI traditional instruments being played extensively ( Sitar,Sarangi,Dilrupa,Santoor)
  
  Prob you will have a Naushad Score ...
  
  Can you list out the ragas of all the songs?
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 64.105.35.40) on: Tue Apr 30 13:37:17 EDT 2002
  
  OSIG, took a quick trip down my HFM repository lane casting a cursory glance at everything my memory pointed me to, but none could measure up to the criteria. Ofcourse, I am bearing in mind, the BGM scores too. The movies that had sprung to mind are Mughal-E-Azam (Naushad), Baiju Bawra (Naushad), Basant Bahar (SJ), Shabab (Naushad), Anarkali (C Ramachandra), Taj Mahal (Roshan). Lots of Muslim socials like chaudvin kA chAnd, mErE mehboob, bahu bEgum did not have music as the basis of the theme and therefore had their musical scopes reduced.
  
  The rAgAs to the best of knowledge
  mazhai kodukkum - Hindolam
  nANi chivanthana - Darbari Kanada
  mannavar porutkaLai- Mohanam
  enna koduppAn - Hamsanandi
  mahArAjan ulagai - Karahapriya
  en uyir thOzhi - Behag (check out the usage of M2 and N3 in addition to M1 and N2)
  kaNgaL engE - Most of it is in Sudha danyasi, but D2 and R2 are introduced in the charanam
  kaNNukku kulamEthu - Pahadi
  pOi vA magaLE - Ananda Bhairavi
  iravum nilavum - Hamir Kalyani (but have heard people say that it is saranga tarangini). Need to verify that.
  uLLaththil nalla uLLam - Chakravaham
  maraNaththai eNNi - lots of Sahana, Thilang
  manjaL mugam - Need to recollect the tune for charanam first :). Could u give me any links to the song.
  
  
  
  
• From: NAGARAJAN (@ 209.58.26.20) on: Tue Apr 30 15:58:06 EDT 2002
  
  There is another song 'Mahaaraajan Ulagai Aazhalaam' TMS + PS. The song is not there in the film. Beautiful song. Once Ilayaraajaa told that it would be difficult for him to compose a song like 'Mahaaraajan Ulagai Aazhalaam'
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 64.105.35.40) on: Tue Apr 30 16:00:14 EDT 2002
  
  NAGARAJAN, I have mentioned it.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.9) on: Tue Apr 30 21:59:06 EDT 2002
  
  SL:
  
  Here is the link for manjaL niRam mugam mARi:
  
  http://www.angelfire.com/pa3/ppp/manjalmugam.ram
  
  It actually has one more song, malargaL sootti
  manjaL poosi coming soon after.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Wed May 1 01:01:25 EDT 2002
  
  SL
  
  Thanks for the listing.
  
  Apart from the "Ennai Arinthai" has ever MSV used Sahana?
  
  This Saranga Tharangini - Hamir Kalyani confusion will last forever.Even well trained Classical musicians had fought over this, i heard.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 64.105.35.40) on: Wed May 1 02:27:26 EDT 2002
  
  SK, thanks for the link.
  OISG, he has used Sahana in 'Adi nAthan kEtkindrAn' by TMS, SJ in 'gangA gowri'.
  Another song on the same lines as 'iravum nilavum', though with a superior melody content is 'konja nEram nammai' (TMS/SJ) in 'siriththu vAzha vENdum'. Great composition with a more or less similar confusion.
  
  

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