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Topic started by Kanchana (@ ww-tb02.proxy.aol.com) on Wed Aug 13 11:15:33 EDT 1997.
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From: Kanchana (@ ww-tb02.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Aug 13 11:26:50 EDT 1997

This topic is an off-shoot of a discussion I had with PG in another thread. While this page has its share of TKR/MSV/IR/ARR/Deva, we have not talked much about our grandparents/parents generation's music. I vaguely recall carrying heavy graphite records with bright labels and playing them on an HMV gramaphone which needed to be cranked up in my grandfather's home. I know and can appreciate M.K. Thiyagaraja Bhagavadhar, P.U. Chinnappa, D.K.Pattammal,Dandapani Desikar, M.S.Subbulaksmi singing movie songs (now, not as a kid or a teenager). I also recall some songs by K.R.Ramasamy and some others. The chronology of who came after who, who the M.D.'s were then,who the lyricists were etc. and how the industry transitioned to TKR-MSV all seems very murky to me. Are you all in the same boat of ignorance as me? Is any one even partially knowledgeable re these early TFM era?
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ liberty.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Aug 13 21:25:18 EDT 1997

We wrote a write-up on the history of TFM for PPP.
If you don't have Murasu-Anjal to view it, you
can see the file in image form at:
http://www.iti.gov.sg/staff/kanagasa/tfm/history.html
From: Kanchana (@ ww-te02.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Aug 14 09:01:31 EDT 1997

Sathya Keerthi:
Thank you!
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tj02.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Aug 14 12:59:32 EDT 1997

Sathya Keerthi:
Thamizh thirai isayin varalaatrai vilakki sonna ungalukkum, satthyakumarukkum, sathyakabalikkum en nanri.
PS, Jikki, P.Leela, MLV, Soolamangalam, MSR & matravar peyarai ellaam saerthu kondu, "Thookam un kanngalai thazhuvattumae" paadiya Janak peyarai vittu vitteergalae?!
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Aug 14 20:54:05 EDT 1997

Kanchana:

Adadaa SJ peyarai vittuttOmaa? Eppadi vittOmendru
theriyalai. We will include her name in the next
correction. Thanks for pointing out.

Regarding that "history" article, it was fully
done by my sister, Sathya Kabali, using material
from various resources. As you've said she has
done an excellent job.

BTW, have you seen PPP? Any suggestions? If there
is any contribution you want to add to PPP please
pass it on to us.
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Thu Aug 14 21:11:44 EDT 1997

I have enough material to write about 4-5 pages
of text on pre-MSV era. I am hard pressed for
time now. Will type it in early next month. (hopefully)
From: Sathya (@ ppp-16.ts-2.hp.idt.net) on: Thu Aug 14 23:06:26 EDT 1997

Kanchana:
pre V.R. era isaik kalaignargalai erakkuraiya makkal maranthu vittargal ena ninaiththen.niingal ninaivu vaiththirukkiinga.Nanri.ithu patriya enna vivarangal thevai?.I have some collections and a list of songs.MKT,MS,NSK etc..
Shall we start with MKT?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tp03.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Aug 15 09:03:18 EDT 1997

Rajaraman:
Thank you. I look forward to seeing the details at your convenience.

Sathyakeerthi:
Please congratulate your sister on my behalf for a job so very well done. It must have taken days of research, and a lot of patience to compile that material!!

Sathya:
I belong to the MSV--IR generation, and am a fan of TKR-MSV/MSV. I remember these songs very vaguely since we listened to them in my grandparents' house during summer vacations (more for the fun of cranking up the HMV gramaphone that time), but now I appreciate the swara layam a lot.

My MKT favorites are:
1. Krishna Mugundha Muraarae
2. Rajan Maharajan

Enakku avalavu vaarthaigaludaiya arthamum puriyaadhu. For example, MKT's Krishna song has the following line"Kudila kundhalam kuvalaya dhana neelam". Vaarthaigal azhagaaga olikkinrana; aanaal aartham?

Ungalai patri konjam sollunga--eppadi andha kaalathu paattilae ungalukku interest vandhadhu? Appuram list'ai thodarungal.
From: pg (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Fri Aug 15 11:44:35 EDT 1997

Many of MKT's songs were heavily Sanskritised. That is probably why it is difficult to understand his songs. But there are also many of his songs which are pure Thamizh. Of these I think Paapanasam Sivan has written and composed music for quite a few. (Paapanasam Sivan, a gifted lyricist and composer seems to have been forgotten in TFM but gaining increasing acceptance in carnatic music circles).

Some of MKT's 'Tamil' songs :

vaLLalai paadum vaayal - Sivakavi
boomiyil maanida janman adaindhumor
annaiyum thandhaiyumdhane vaazhvil
vadhaname chandra bimbamo
vasantha rudhu mana mohaname

At home, only my father used to listen to MKT/PUC and MMDD. I learnt to listen to MKT / PUC and I like their music to a great extent. I trying to get hold of MMDD recordings but I can't find them as easily as MKT/PUC recordings.
From: PG (@ igw2.merck.com) on: Fri Aug 15 11:50:06 EDT 1997

I was watching MRRadha's Rathak Kanneer a couple of days ago and guess what :

Music for songs scored by R.Sudharsanam and BGM scored by Viswanathan-Ramamoorthy and party. I did not know that MSV-TKR has scored only BGM for some movies.

Has MSV-TKR scored only BGM only for some movies before they ushered in the MSV-TKR era ?
From: Pagalavan (@ mb.cisco.com) on: Fri Aug 15 20:17:29 EDT 1997

pg:

Some more MKT songs:

1.neela karunaagaranE nataraajaa..neelakandanE..
2. manmadha leelaiyai venDRaar unDO..
3. ambaaL..manam kanindhirugi kadaik kaN paar..
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Fri Aug 15 21:14:15 EDT 1997

Kanchana:

Indha querry-il "Sathya" engiravarudan MKT patri
pEsittu irukkeengaLE, avangadhaan TFM history-ai
azhagaaga thoguththa ennudaya sister.
From: Ravy (@ ww-tc22.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Aug 16 14:29:35 EDT 1997

Hold! Are we talking about MDs or singers here. The thread topic says it is pre MSV/TKR era. That means it is about the MDs. Let's talk about Chalapathi Rao, S.venkatraman(Sv.sekar's dad), sudarsanam etc.

Does anyone know who is the MD for this song 'thesulavudhe thaen malaramae' . Incidentally this is Kamal's favorite song.

PS: Don't jump into quick conclusion about my age.
From: Ravy (@ ww-to03.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Aug 17 07:08:41 EDT 1997

I forgot to mention S M subbaiah Naidu - one his notable movies that I can recall is Nadodi Mannan.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tb22.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Aug 17 11:30:57 EDT 1997

Sathya:
Glad to meet the third member of the "Sathya---" family. Appa freedom fighter/ Gandhiji fan'A? Unga moonu paerukkum payerai "Sathya"nnu thodangi irukkaar?

Ravy---Smile!!:
Don't be sensitive about the age issue--all of us are actually too young to know anything about this era. We were not born yet, in fact! In fact some of us were born in the TKR-MSV era, and some were born in the MSV era I think.

The question deals with not just singers. but also MD's and lyricists. Think of the song as a composite product of vocals/music/lyrics--you're doing fine if you discuss any aspect of this.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tb22.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Aug 17 11:34:07 EDT 1997

Who sang "Eppadi paadinaroa"?

Also, it's not "Neela Karunaagaranae" but "Dheena karunaagaranae".

I'm impressed that there are a quite a few of us who are even acquainted with the songs of this era!
From: Ravy (@ ww-tb02.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Aug 17 18:55:20 EDT 1997

To Sathya keerthi:

I haven't visited the PPP yet. But I followed your URL link in this thread. Neat work. Very informative. But one notable omission among the
MDs is P G Lingappa. One of his hit movies is Thangamalai Ragasiyam (remember Amudhai pozhiyum nilavae). I'm sure he has scored music for quite a few movies.

Kanchana: I had to be proactive about the queries wondering if we were born in AD or BC. I was born in MSV era but remember those days in the early 70's. The chance to here latest songs was very limited. (Madras A 4-5pm on sundays and a few other 1/4 hr durations). So I
had to stick with Vividh Barathy no matter how old the songs were. Some of those pre MSV/TKR songs are still fresh in my memory.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ liberty.nus.edu.sg) on: Sun Aug 17 20:55:34 EDT 1997

Last year I saw a movie titled "Nandhanaar"; oru
video cassette kadaiyil indha cassette-ai paarththu
eduththu vandhEn; indha cassette ennidam irukku endru
kELvippattu en naNbarin Amma-vum vandhaar paarkka.
We all thoroughly enjoyed watching the movie!
I think this movie must've been one of the earliest
Thamizh movies. ThaNdapaaNi dhEsikar acts as the
"low caste" Nandhanaar who works as a labourer in
the paddy fields owned by a Brahmin. Nandhanaar
LONGS to go to Chidamdaram to have a glimpse of
the Shiva temple (the deep "longing" is portrayed
beautifully via a number of "short" songs sung by
Nandhanaar), but the Brahmin doesn't permit. There
are a number of meetings between these two where
Nandhanaar pleads for permission to go to Chidambaram,
but the Brahmin says "nothing doing"; all these
meetings are again, done via songs, and I feel they are
very beautifully done. Finally, Nandhanaar makes
one serious request and the Brahmin says, "Oh, if
you are so keen to go, then, first plough all the
fields, grow the paddy till it is ready to reap,
and then you go". Nandhanaar is thoroughly dejected
by this offer because that work will easily take
several months to complete; he sings his heart
out to Lord Shiva and faints. Now Lord Shiva appears
and uses his magic to fill all empty fields with
ready-to-reap paddy. Nandhanaar gets up and is
amazed; he understands what has happened; crowd
gathers around; in esctacy he sings a song on
Lord Shiva. The news reaches the Brahmin, he now
realizes the strength of Nandhanaar's BHAKTHI and
comes and prostrates on Nandhanaar's feet. This
moving scene is completely done by a song;
there are no dialogues. I was
certainly moved, and I found that my friend's
mother who had come to watch was completely
"pullarichchufied"! I haven't had a chance to
listen to the songs again, but I would certainly
love to listen to them again and again. Most of
them are beautiful pieces by D.DhEsikar.
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Sun Aug 17 22:50:18 EDT 1997

"Thesulaavuthe" was composed by Aadi naaraayanarao, Anjali devi's husband.
couldn't resist: It's a wonderful
song based on basant..

will join the discussions later.
From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Thu Aug 28 08:21:25 EDT 1997

To

Sathya Keerthi:

I recalled a couple of songs from Nandhanar (at 5.00 AM while I was half asleep).

1.en appan allava? en thayum allava? pon appan allava? pon meni...
2. Appanaip padum vAyAl ( is this from Nandhanar)

This movie was re-released in Madras about 20 years ago. I didn't see the movie. But there was a 15min- program in vividh bharati (Prabhuuuu.. Prabhuuu.. type) twice a week for this movie.

Rajaraman:
Thanks for your reply about ThaesulavudhE.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-pa02.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Aug 30 00:14:20 EDT 1997

Who are the lyricist/MD for "Kaatrinilae varum geetham" by MS in Meera? Is it Ragamaalihai?

When was the movie released?
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tc66.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Sep 20 22:03:09 EDT 1997

There has been no activity for a few weeks. I'll just wrap up and write up a summary article based on our discussions here including PPP's contribution. Please advise, if it should be otherwise.
From: sivakavi_fan (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Sep 24 05:39:44 EDT 1997

K
"kAtrinilE varum geetham" music by S.venkatraman
Lyricist ???
I don't know much about pre MSV/TKR kAlam, but
I have saved one of ANNAR's mail which he sent
to me few years back about SIVAKAVI. When he
recorded that movie and sent to US, I laughed at
him and...here goes his reply:

"Siva Kavi" anuppiyadhaikettu sirithuvittaye? Adadaa!
Naane special-aaga unakku select panni record panni
anuppiyadhu. Naan recent-aaga nallaa rasithu paartha
padam. Indha kaalaththil kooda, manaiviyai kanavan silli
thanamaaga sandhegikkum-type kadhaigal nam
thiraipadangalil vandhukondu irukkindrana.
Idharkku maarupatta konaththil SivaKaviyil oru kaatchi.
SivaKavi avar nanbar veetirkku varugiraar. Iruvarum
nanbarudaya bedroom-il padukkaiyil utkaarndhukondu
pesikkondirukka, kalaippinaal SivaKavi thoonga,
nanbar, avarukku nandraaga porvaipottu poththivittu
veru araikkupogiraar. Idhu ariyaamal, than velaigalai
mudithuvittu padukkaikku vandha nanbarin manaivi,
thannudaiya kanavardhaan urangugiraar endru ninaithu,
SivaKaviyin kaalai thottu vanangivittu, arugeye paduthu
thoongividugiraar. Kaalaiyil elunthu iruvarukkum shock.
Aanaal, angu vandha nanbar idhaipatri ondrum ninaikka
kooda illai; "neer nandraaga thoongineeraa" endru
SivaKaviyidam ketkiraar. Nalla scene. Of course,
nadandhavatrai therindhukonda velaikkaari pannum
kulappam veru vishayam.
From: pOdunga_mudivurai (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Sep 24 06:12:40 EDT 1997

K
OOPS..forgot, you can goahead and summarize the
topic, unless someone wants to list more of
oldOld songs - I found a pattu pusthagam at home
"Maraintha mAmEthaigaL - nAlvar Songs"
MKT, NSK, PUC and JPC. If anybody wants the info,
I can provide them.
From: Ravy (@ eagle.vapower.com) on: Wed Sep 24 08:10:36 EDT 1997

For those who are interested:

Sivakavi's MD S.Venkatraman is S.Ve Sekhar's dad.
From: Kanchana (@ ww-tb65.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Sep 24 11:50:51 EDT 1997

Bones:
aNNA sivakaviyai patri azhagagavae ezhudi irukiraar ungaLukku. neenga adikkadi paattu pusthagam patri paesareengalae, engae irundhu ungaLukku idhellaam kidaikiradhu? Can you please provide the info. Thx.
From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Sep 24 21:26:01 EDT 1997

Ravy and others:

G.Ramanathan is S.Ve.Shekar's wife's grandfather
(mother's side).
From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Wed Sep 24 22:10:34 EDT 1997

Ravy
The names are same, but are you sure MD S.Venkatraman is SV Sekar's dad?
SV sekar's dad is supposed to be a drama
artist & director, not a musician.
From: oor_suthiyavan (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Thu Sep 25 01:45:46 EDT 1997

Kanchana:
The pattu pusthaga collection was the outcome of
roaming around the nook-n-corners of
Madras/Madurai streets during college days.
Akka did a good job in arranging them and
bounded them under various categories.
Also she has a collection of paper
cuttings/clippings about TFM from various
weekly magazines - which I am going thru now and
planning to put them in PPP - the second updated
version will be announced this week.
Last month when I was in Madras, for 3$ I bought
15 songs books - collection of songs by different
singers/MDs/actors.. (the platform before Shanthi
theater - make a note to visit, next time you go)

MakkaL:
I am planning to make a short trip to Singai &
US in nov/dec..if you need any specific PP,
I will try to get it for you.

Rajaram:
RavY is correct about S.Ve.Sekar's dad..you are
confusing him with Rajini's BrotherInLaw.
PG:
You are right about Rathak kaneer - VR was doing
ONLY BGM - I don't know about any other movie.
For thirudAthEy - MD was SMS but MSV has tuned
one song (its mentioned in the titles) by
PBS.."pAl vaNNam paruvam kandu" (????)

Also in KB's ethir neechal - MD is VKumar and
in the titles they mentioned that one song was
tuned by MSV - I don't remember the song ????
From: Sathya (@ ppp-8.ts-2.hp.idt.net) on: Thu Sep 25 11:21:50 EDT 1997

Thirudathe paadal

ennarukE nIyirunthaal iyaRkaiyellaam suzaluvathEn?

EthirnIchchal song is by TMS,Susila;not a popular one.
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From: Valan Naidu (@ 198.54.202.2) on: Sun Nov 16 13:08:58 EST 2003

Hi,
Please help. I live in South Africa.
I am trying to locate some music on tape,cd or dvd on P.U. Chinnappa and D.K. Pattamal for my father.
Thanks.

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