Topic started by reporter (@ 209.197.174.19) on Fri Mar 16 00:09:39 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
Hi everybody. I have taken the pain of typing up this very long and very good interview of Rahman's that came on AVMAX on their first ever issue this month. It's a cover story(interview) on Rahman and he has given some really great answers. Read the interview!
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- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Fri Mar 16 16:19:02 EST 2001
doubter,
I think you may be right.Sometimes it sounds good but sometimes he goes overboard.I don't know whether I will go to the extent of saying that ARR thinks we Tamilians are 'iLichchavaayans'.
If that is the case then you should include people from AP too.They don't seem to bother about it a lot.
Most of the MDs have used this diction trasgression atleast in one of their songs including IR.
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Fri Mar 16 16:25:51 EST 2001
Fliflo,
Thanks for quoting the article
- From: Sabesan (@ 12.47.56.190)
on: Fri Mar 16 16:56:01 EST 2001
hmmm.... New thread.... same fight.... same people... same, same same...... yabbbbba superbaaaaaaa........
- From: RV (@ 172.155.129.97)
on: Fri Mar 16 17:33:32 EST 2001
"Neruppu Illama Pugay Varathu"
pugai nerupalethaan varanumnille vayetherichalnale kuda varalam
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Fri Mar 16 17:39:45 EST 2001
RV;
appo vayithule neruppa kattitu irukaarnu sollunga :-))
- From: doubter (@ 208.142.210.36)
on: Fri Mar 16 18:15:14 EST 2001
Trend
This malady has been haunting TFM even during MSV-TKR's period. AMRaja, PBS have been mispronouncing words. KJY went to the extent of killing words. At least people were talking about it. After IR's advent it became a part of TFM. Latha, Asha, Chitra, Swarnalatha - all had their share.
But now killing words has grown to killing the song itself. Producers and Directors are not bothered and MDs blame it on trend (not you :-)))
- From: aruvi (@ 209.197.167.84)
on: Fri Mar 16 22:25:53 EST 2001
Hello doubter...first try telling tamils to pronounce tamil correctly. Then pick on people from other states.
- From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183)
on: Sat Mar 17 09:16:23 EST 2001
aruvi:
summaa sonnaalum supera sonninga.
- From: doubter (@ 12.86.0.232)
on: Sat Mar 17 13:33:02 EST 2001
aruvi
You are right. oru vaasagam enraalum thiru vaasagam.
I am not picking on KJY or Latha. I am worried about the mentality of other concerned people. They don't make sure that the pronounciation is correct. This 'other' people include director, producer, MD etc. I think they should be blamed more.
- From: sabesan (@ 64.163.212.217)
on: Sat Mar 17 16:44:40 EST 2001
doubter - u left one more in the *other* - WE - who listen to those and appreciate those songs :-)
- From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183)
on: Mon Mar 19 09:29:17 EST 2001
sabesan:
Its a punch. We buy their music and pay money for their life. If we as fans or people stop encouraging such songs, good singers and correct pronounciation will ultimately emerge.
- From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183)
on: Mon Mar 19 09:45:34 EST 2001
flifo:
Rahman, those days are slowly dimnishing
Let me quote the songs ratings which I saw this sunday.
Program :- 123 Countdown - Chennel : - MTV - compeered by MINK
1. 1 2 ka 4
3. Zubeida (surprising after so many days of its release - 6 months or more - this film is like art film)
6. Love You Hamesha ( Songs of May Madam - 5 year old)
Program :- Superhit Muqabla - Chennel : - DD Metro - compeered by ....(don't know name)
1. 1 2 ka 4
2. Love You Hamesha
6,12. Zubeida (two songs)
These are ofcourse hindi films and are by ARR.
I think ARR days doesn't seem to be diminishing as yet. These two programs are very popular programs in their channels.
I would like to tell you one thing. If you are a lover of good music and if you can understand Hindi, then listen to Zubeida. Forget that it is from ARR. In my opinion it is really good and and and exceptional one (away from masala stuff) to hear.
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Mon Mar 19 10:34:06 EST 2001
Well my friend...Zubeidaa, as such the movie was a flop..ARR has given some decent music..FYI, Yesterday, I was watching parts of movie and most of the scenes,there was no BGM at all..Don't put arguments that those scenes don't need a BGM. Songs were OK, but typical of Rahman's and nothing extraordinary. Ofcourse. ARR's feel that to be extraordinary. But tell me who is the stiff competitior in HFM, as of today. But things change..Regarding musical revolutions, all the changes (including Rahman's) originate from TFM (atleast in recent days). TFM gives a good indication about how the future is going to be..I do not comment on North Indian viewers and film musicians. They are presently obsessed with this chap. "Love you Hamesha" recycle of "May Madham (??)" is going to be a great hit..
Note this point..Jodi songs were used in some other movie and it was a gain a big hit there. Do you think this can happen in TFM?? TFM listeners are knowledgable and they don't give damn importance to any "copy cats"... Rahman's has a stiff and steady competition here...Probably, that's a reason he hates to do tamil movies..:-)))...Good starting for today..Rest it will take care by itself!!
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Mon Mar 19 10:35:31 EST 2001
"Ofcourse. ARR's feel that to be extraordinary"
Omit this sentence above, while reading.
- From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183)
on: Mon Mar 19 12:15:42 EST 2001
flifo:
You are wrong in facts. Jodi's songs first came in a hindi film call "Doli sajake rakhna" by Priya dharshan and more than a year and a half latter, Pravin Ghandi bought the rights for Jodi.
Now you say that U saw some clippings from zubeida and you said that there were no BGMs. I saw many here where the BGM were great. What you say is completely biased. I told you that forget ARR and listen to Zubeida. If you don't like it then its up to you. Don't substantiate your claim with lines like this.
TFM listeners are knowledgable and they don't give damn importance to any "copy cats"... Rahman's has a stiff and steady competition here...Probably, that's a reason he hates to do tamil movies..:-)))...Good starting for today..Rest it will take care by itself!!
You mentioned copy cats here unnecessaryly. So, I too will take liberty to mention some thing unnecessary here. Yesterday I saw a prog. Jaya TV compeered by the famous ABdul Hameed (I think you are familior with his voice over Elangai Vaanoli.
He interviewed Pushpavanum Kuppusamy. PK told an interesting story. Years beforeit seems PK had said in an interview that folk musics were widely used by MDs in TFM. Somebody, it seems, had interpretted it to IR saying that PK accused him of lifting folk music. When PK went to the function to felicitate IR of symphony composition (mystery..!!!), IR bashed at him. He then sent some feelers to IR to explain his position. Then years latter IR happened to see one of his progs. He appriciated him and gave him a chance in Kathal Kavithai. In the due course he said how IR has effective ly used one folk song for "aayiram thamarai mottukkale". THe original is
"Thalaya kovilu pakkaththile
naan...." He sung the pallavi of the song and tried to justify. I don't mean to say that IR has copied. But you dictionary has a meaning for copy cat then IR , iam sorry ,should also be named as copy cat, because IR has used several such folk music. PK is a PHD in folk music , so he cant lie.
He told some nice thing about ARR and his karuththamma and how people have mis understood him. Any way you won't like it.
Surely, I didn't want to bring in this information here. I just wanted to put it in a right forum. But, some unncessary words have forced me unnecessaryly.
I still maintain that you are your desperation continues.
No hard feelings what so ever.
Getting late... so see you tommorow.
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Mon Mar 19 13:26:19 EST 2001
Fliflo,
When Hindi/Tamil producers/directors approach ARR for his music and if he doesn't have dates they are content to use his music in another language for the movie they are making.
Since your wisdom enlightens everyone that this is called copying I wanted to tell you in advance that for the new movie soon to be made by Pravin Gandhi, ARR is going to release a COPIED album.
This album will contain songs that have been COPIED from Thakshak,Pukar and his other Hondi movies.
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Mon Mar 19 13:27:51 EST 2001
Typo
Hondi should read Hindi
- From: :-) (@ 192.135.244.69)
on: Wed Mar 21 03:25:41 EST 2001
Common friend,
since u mentioned karuthamma, the song pOrALE ponnuthAyi is swarna doing a karaoke (some german song).
Now, don't ask for sound samples :-)
In case u r interested i can give pointers to the right person.
- From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20)
on: Wed Mar 21 05:20:14 EST 2001
Dear :-)
Since you've categorically mentioned not to ask for sound samples, let me do the search for sound clips/samples...could you let me know the song/singer/album...or as you say, at least point me to someone who can lemme know this...
...I'm real curious on this one!
--Karthik
- From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183)
on: Wed Mar 21 10:47:10 EST 2001
:-) :
I didn't mention "karuththamma". Pushpavanam kuppusamy mentioned it. Give pointers to him.
Okay.... cool down. Just joking.
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Wed Mar 21 13:35:20 EST 2001
Fliflo,
I would like to know what "Aur ek prem kahani" is all about?
- From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254)
on: Wed Mar 21 14:14:40 EST 2001
Trend, what's that man? Did I mention that anywhere?
- From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227)
on: Wed Mar 21 16:31:50 EST 2001
Fliflo,
Sorry my question didn't make sense.How is "Love you hamesha" different from "Aur ek prem Kahani"
in terms of whatever you call it?
- From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20)
on: Wed Mar 21 22:39:15 EST 2001
As far as I remeber, Balu Mahendra was the director of Aur ek Prem kahani (*ing Arvind Ramesh, heera and Revathy), it was a remake of some Balu movie in tamil. It was produced by Plus Channel, in its heydeys before it filed for bankruptcy!
Balu gave out press releases that he has purposefully asked IR to recycle some of his best songs for the movie in hindi so that people beyond the Vindhyas know that there's music beyond ARR in south and that they realise how great IR's music truly is.
Understandably the critics were gaga over 'naina mere naina' (the song from Johnny, 'kaatre') was incredible in hindi...it was bound to be in any language. Rest of the songs were pretty average...I also remember a malayalam song of IR being used as 'sunday ko', which also played in the bg of moondram pirai.
But on the whole the effort to make northies realise the greatness of IR did not work. ARR has so many instances of such tamil to hindi recycles and quite a few of them have worked.
I feel its the psyche of listeners and the composer of course. IR I feel composes more focussed to our ppl in TN whereas ARR, like Mani is trying to broadbase his strategy so that it has pan indian appeal. Most of the times, he cant please all, and lots of people in south say he's too un-tamilish and a lot in the north categorically denounce it as madarasi music!
--Karthik
- From: UVII (@ 63.225.123.163)
on: Thu Mar 22 00:55:00 EST 2001
Karthik
Sunday ko malayalam version song name is "Thumbi Vaa" sung by SJ
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