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Totally Convinced: Ilayaraja is indeed The Greatest Ever Creative Genius (Past, Present & Future)

Topic started by Isai Kadavul Bakthar (@ 63.208.66.53) on Mon Feb 4 04:13:50 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Please listen to the following songs again and again and you will clearly understand the depths, breadth and heights to which Ilayaraja has gone like no other creative genius has. This is a real lesson in the most exceptional and complex of musical composition delivered just simply like that by IR for the ordinary listener:

Chandirarum Suriyanum by IR in AVADHARAM (find one like this in the next galaxy if anyone can)
Kannalen Kaadhal by KJY & SJY in Aathma
Kai veesum Thamarai by SPB & SJ in Kanni Rasi
Nilavu Onru Kanden - as above
Yen Kanavina Kellu by Hariharan in Desiya Geetham
The Dance duet in Raasayya (absolutely stunning)
Nandavanthil by SPB in Annai Oru Aalayam
Sembaruthi Poove by Mano & Sunandha in Sembaruthi
Nila Kaayum Neram Saranam by SPB & Sunandah in Sembaruthi
O Nenjame by SJ & DChakravarthi in Enakaha Kaathiru
Yengum Niraindha KJY & SJ in Idhu Eppadi Irukku
Vellin Nilave SPB & UR in Nandavan Theru

and, I am telling you this is just touching the surface, but these compositions require a lot of listening to know that evey other composer, band or group or act or whatever or anybody is just a speck of dust in the shore that of IR's ocean of music! Anyone can challenge me with any song of any other composer of this earth and tell me if I am wrong.

Long Live the Avataram of Ilayaraja

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Responses:

• From: AVR (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Mon Feb 4 04:57:44 EST 2002
  
  past and present fine (IMHO), but how do u conclude that about the future?? Perplexing isnt it?
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Mon Feb 4 05:01:08 EST 2002
  
  and, I am telling you this is just touching the surface, but these compositions require a lot of listening to know that evey other composer, band or group or act or whatever or anybody is just a speck of dust in the shore that of IR's ocean of music!
  
  I HAVE HEARD most of ur songs mentioned above, they are all marevllous creations. However for IR to be the greatest, everybody else DOES NOT have to be a speck of dust. Other composers have given miraculous compositions, where IR wins is quantity and versatility. A few other composers too have given beautiful numbers. There are others close to IR. I think the statement "everybody is a speck of dust in the shore called IR" is too extreme a statement which will irk many people. MSV, Salil Chaudhary are IMO two composers quite close to IR in creativity.
  
  
• From: Srini (@ 195.229.240.242) on: Mon Feb 4 05:27:43 EST 2002
  
  Thyagaraja is the greatest musician. He is the original ,mate.
  
  How long have people been singing Thyagaraja's compositions ? How long do u think IR's will last ?
  
  Illayraja just uses more instruments & offers modifications.
  
  I like IR big time. But the greatest ?
  
  
  
• From: irritated (@ 141.14.139.162) on: Mon Feb 4 05:41:49 EST 2002
  
  I really doubt the purpose of these postings. Are they just for irritating people and having some fun out of it? Everybody has their own interests. It is too harsh to make statements like 'anybody is just a speck of dust in the shore that of IR's ocean of music!'. I don't think such comments will pave way for healthy discussions. Too tired with such postings indeed!!!
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Mon Feb 4 05:49:05 EST 2002
  
  There we go all over again, re re re re re inventing the proverbial wheel for the nth time!
  
  
• From: kjy (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Mon Feb 4 06:51:35 EST 2002
  
  i am so happy to see people who have posted here maintaining their cool and refusing to "over-react"...that is good for newtfmpage...this specially goes to you karthik, i didn't expect such a cool reply from you...shows that potential "IR Vs ARR" threads in future will be place for discussions and not personal attacks..Our Motto shud be - "if we have something to contribute to a thread, we do it, or skip it..." This is good to see...
  
  
• From: No Doubts (@ 210.186.60.11) on: Mon Feb 4 07:04:35 EST 2002
  
  Totally Convinced: IKB is indeed The Greatest Ever Idiotic Moron (Past, Present & Future)
  
  
• From: Needs to be BOLDLY told (@ 210.186.60.11) on: Mon Feb 4 07:06:03 EST 2002
  
  Totally Convinced: IKB is indeed The Greatest Ever Idiotic Moron (Past, Present & Future)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Mon Feb 4 07:39:01 EST 2002
  
  Repost from AVR
  
  past and present fine (IMHO), but how do u conclude that about the future?? Perplexing isnt it?
  
  
  
• From: ML (@ 195.93.50.189) on: Mon Feb 4 08:07:55 EST 2002
  
  lookk at the combination-
  roots from folk
  firm background in western and eastern forms of classical music
  AND the ability to compose using all these forms of music and the ability to do it on a commercial basis-can you name the MD's-
  MSV-folk?WCM?
  ARR-carnatic/folk?
  KVM-WCM?
  RDB-WCM?
  naushad-may approach the creativity-but prolificity?
  salil-one composer with all the above -but prolificity?
  like kamal said,IR is THE composer of last 100 years.
  
  
• From: Got to be Told (@ 210.186.60.11) on: Mon Feb 4 08:08:15 EST 2002
  
  Agreed. There is a limit to genius, but none for stupidity and many HCIRF's are KINGS in this role!
  
  
• From: Hahahaha (@ 210.186.60.11) on: Mon Feb 4 08:10:20 EST 2002
  
  ML proved KUPPS point! Yes, the future will cretae GREATER idiots!!
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Mon Feb 4 08:54:07 EST 2002
  
  salil-one composer with all the above -but prolificity?
  
  
  WCM + HINDUSTANI + FOLK + MELODY + RHYTHM + ROCKNROLL + REPERTOIRE IN MANY LANGUAGES = PROLIFICITY.
  
  
• From: AVR (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Mon Feb 4 08:57:59 EST 2002
  
  add to the above - excellent BGM pieces + vast number of documentary films + festival songs by SC. Plus consistent output for 40-45 years - may have been more had he not passed away around 1990.
  
  Where IR wins over SC is QUANTITY, and SPEED of COMPOSITION. But prolificity I may doubt.
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: Srini (@ 213.42.1.244) on: Mon Feb 4 09:27:29 EST 2002
  
  ML
  
  Why is not having done WCM a negative when we are talking Tamil cinema music ? Would u rate a Jerry Goldsmith ,Maurice Jarre low because they don't know Carnatic music ?
  
  & ARR does use Carnatic raagas brilliantly. If you are talking a la Sindhu Bhiravi, it depends on the film.
  
  
• From: Srini (@ 213.42.1.244) on: Mon Feb 4 09:31:35 EST 2002
  
  ML,
  
  why have u left out 'Dapaan kuthu' in your list ?
  Nobody beats IR in that. Actually, haven't heard anyone else do a kuthu number. Not MSV,ARR, .
  
  WCM edukuppa ? Kuthu pattu is Nama Tamil Panbadu.
  
  
• From: ML (@ 195.93.50.186) on: Mon Feb 4 18:29:03 EST 2002
  
  our composers have borrowed so many of wcm techniques-but the ability to use them in the indian film scene(two best egs are poonkadhave and modern concerto from rajapaarvai) is one of the uniqueness of raaja.
  in case of ARR, his use of raagas is ,i think, more of serendipity ,rather than a purposeful seeking of a raaga for a situation.IR , for eg, was very specific when composing kalaivaaniye from sindhubairavi.
  The talented music director from Bengal had composed music not only for over 70 Hindi Films, 40 Bengali Films, 25 Malayalam films but also for Tamil (4), Telugu(1),Kannada(4) and some Assameese,Oriye,Gujrati and Marathi Films.
  //WCM + HINDUSTANI + FOLK + MELODY + RHYTHM + ROCKNROLL + REPERTOIRE IN MANY LANGUAGES = PROLIFICITY.//
  what does IR lack in above-you may substitute carnatic for hindustani.
  
  
  
  
• From: Exalted and enlightened Ilayaraja Fan (Bakthar) (@ 65.56.142.234) on: Mon Feb 4 18:55:26 EST 2002
  
  dey pasangala (no doubts and his family) i am only aksing you to listen to the above songs listed and form a perspective. i agree i adore SC and MSV and Ravindra Jain, but they had serious boundaries. Those listed songs are the types not in the vocabulary at all. I am sorry to say that, but i had not heard these outputs from IR until recently and these are indications of a composer who has gone beyond boundaries of normal composition patterns and ideas. Pls don't argue with me. pls go listen to those songs again and even if no gnanam comes, listen for a few years to different kinds of music and come bakc to those songs. see, it took me years to recognize the pearl in the sand. and, please spot a bundle of crap on the road and that is worth more than the pearl. and, those chinna pasangala don't bring podi pasanga like arr and hj here. enuff is enuff! (i don't like comparisons)
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 202.9.67.104) on: Mon Feb 4 22:37:35 EST 2002
  
  The way the song "Vinnakku... " starts , in a RAJ KIRAN'S movie by raaja is enough to say HE IS MG (MUSIC GOD) , not MD....(Sorry ,being a Non tamilian i couldn't provide details exactly)
  
  
• From: ML (@ 195.93.48.161) on: Tue Feb 5 04:43:31 EST 2002
  
  look at the range of these works-
  janani janani
  vikram vikram
  ilamai idho idho
  nilakayudhu
  paadariyen
  nirpadhuve
  modern concerto
  raja rajadhi
  mari mari ninne
  maanguyile poonguyile
  fantastic sweep and range.
  
  by the way, thanx for reminding about o nenjame-it is available at dhool-what a song, melody and orchestration!the musicians who recorrded that song never knew what hit them!
  
  
• From: TheOneGodOfMusic (@ 63.215.117.33) on: Wed Feb 6 02:51:11 EST 2002
  
  Kiran, ML you guys are on the dot. particularly O nenjame, it is easily one of the finest compostions ever: why? the orchestration and second, the situation for which it was composed. how could you believe that aural effects of a day or evening on a cool evening at kodai or even in against a snowy set up in darjeeling (indian flora and fauna included) shoud sound? has anyone composed anything like that? look at that other song in the movie: Pani Mazhai vizhyum or even O Maya O Maya Ooty Malai Kaattile. get me arr, get me the beatles or mozart or john barry or lloyd webber or even the other all-round genius Salil Choudhury (with due respects to all of thes composers, i luv their geniuses too) You think they could've conjured up something like O Nenjame? All these arr co parision threads are a waste of time. but, come on, we are talkin of IR all the way upto rank 100 and then the rest following in awe. I am not belittling any of the composers. At one time i also condemned IR, because i was not satisfied that he gave some 500 songs that may have not stirred up our emotions, while the remainder 3500 and more coming have totally bewildered me every nano second for the last 20 odd years. I still haven't heard many more of his compositions, thanks to the net i am get the samples and then buying the CD's( I can't wait to get hold of 800 super audio CD's of IR and when will that happen?)
  
  I get bersek when I know that i'v hear it all from most composers and that IR's music is the only thing that i long for and i find sleep is interfering with this deep rooted passion (maybe addiction itself).
  
  btw, did you listen to the first interlude in the song Kannalen Kadhal enbadu (aathma) that let me tell you will take few hunderd Mozarts to go that intellectual in composing. examine that interlude and it is worth all your life savings.
  
  Long Live IsaiGnani
  
  P.S.: another song that blows me away is: Vanna Nila, Vanna Nila by Chitra in Uzhavan? How???
  
  Kiran, by the way where u from? (If I may ask?)
  
  
  
  
• From: crv (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Wed Feb 6 04:37:42 EST 2002
  
  Theonegodofmusic,
  Which song Vanna nila are u talking abt? The one from Kattalai (Sathyaraj, Bhanupriya)?
  
  

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