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TMS-a rare singer

Topic started by kalai (@ 202.9.150.212) on Fri Oct 26 16:10:26 EDT 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

If you talk about tamil cinema music, particularly about music directors, there is always a genius in every decade.
1950's - G. RamaNathan
1960's - MSV
1970's - MSV
1980's - IR
1990's - ARR
There is transition in TFM music in every decade . Let me talk about singers.
Before 1950's it was ruled by "bhagavathar's" and most of the songs were karnatic base songs. TMS started his carrier with these kinds of Karnatic based songs . In that period, there is no such technical support and they sing in the stages without mic. Those who dedicated themselves to music, take so much of practices to mould their voices. TFM got so many genius like MS, MLV, PATTAMMAL with that qualities. TMS is also that sort of person who can sing from lower range to any higher ranges.TMS had a powerful voice, good modulation, good pronunciation and a versatility. (Few people consider gimmicks and mimicry as versatility).
After 1975, technically we are improved a lot, we got fresh music waves, but I feel s
singing quality is limited. We got two excellent singers like SPB and KJY and they are good at their voice range. Why we coulnt find a person like TMS, who sings in all ranges ? I feel The power of tamil is missing in TFM now a days like songs "engal thiravida pon naade" " chenthamzh then mozhiyal" "paatum naane" …. Now a days even in sad songs " the feeling of an ordinary person is reflected well and I can say it comes from heart. But think about a normal person who lost everything, his emotion will come from the stomack (abdomen)like a song "yaarukkaga" " intha naadaagam antha medayil" , "neeyum naanua", "paar magale paar" etc.. It is missing now a days.
TFM got varites of singers and we are the people who got varities of songs also.
Thiyaraja Bhagavathar , PU chinnappa , TR mahalingam, Chidambaram jeyaraman, seerkazhi gouvindarajan are a type of singers who can sing in very high pitches and each one got a peculiar voice also. A.M.raja, A.L raghavan, P.B.S are for low pitches and they were used for very soft songs. SPB, KJY, JayaChandran are used for lower and medium ranges. So,many others like chandra babu , Malaysia vasudevan also contributed so much. No where else we can see these many varites of songs and singers. Now a days most of the new singers are trying to copy SPB or KJY and they are lacking of originality.
I feel , TMS is the one of the few persons who can sing in any range. Few of his rare songs I am adding here, to justify my arguments. ( only, he can sing this songs- only samples).

Paatum naane Bhavamum naane --(thiruvilayadal)
Yaar tharuvar intha ariyasanam --kavi kalidai)
Eri kariyin mele -(muthalali)
Enge nimmathi (puthia paravai)
Naan unnai azhikavillai (engiruntho vanthaan)
Chinnanchiriya vanna paravai (kungumam)
En arumai kaathalikku (ellorum innattu mannargal)
Yaarukkaga (vasantha maaligai)
Atho antha paravai pola (aayirathil oruvan)
Acham enbathu madamayada (mannathi mannan)
Aadatha manamum undo (mannathi mannan)
Pathu maatham sumanthirunthu (annayin aanai)
Muthai thiru pathi thiru nagai (arunagiri nathar)
Punnagai thavazhum (maragatham)
Isai kettal puvi asainthadum (ThavaPuthalvan)

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Responses:

• From: TMS_Virumbi (@ ) on: Thu Jan 10 20:59:27 EST 2002
  
  u are right, TMS is irreplaceable. 'Yaarukkaga' pattelam yaralaya yavadhhu andha Ganeer Kuralil pada mudiyuma
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 207.172.47.106) on: Thu Jan 10 21:09:41 EST 2002
  
  I would think even SPB or KJY wouldn't have given the same effect for some typical 'TMS' greats, even though they may have been better singers overall. Some of the songs are
  Yarukkaga, Veedu varai uravu, Engey nimmadhi,Vandha naal mudhal, Muthai thiru , Sindanai sei maname
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.239) on: Thu Jan 10 22:21:47 EST 2002
  
  TMS is the best as far as emoting is concerned. And his voice had this quality which I call "kurumbu" (for eg, 'Naan Paarthadhile AvaL') that was unique! And his voice modulation is legendary! No wonder he was The King in his hay days (late 50's, 60's and early 70's). Majestic Voice thy name is TMS. Even though 'Pottu Vaitha Mugamo' (SPB) from Sumathi En Sundari topped the charts (I mean popular), it was TMS' voice in 'Oru dharam ore dharam' which wins one's heart. I have never heard anyone sing with such great feeling as can be felt in the songs "Un Kannil Neer Vazhindhaal", "Naan Kavinyanum Illai", "Enge Nimmadhi" and the like. TMS' voice is unique in the sense, before his voice mathavanga voice ellaam kaanaama poyidum - easily!
  
  
• From: TMS_Virumbi (@ 207.172.47.106) on: Thu Jan 10 22:42:42 EST 2002
  
  Did u realise that SPB tries to sing like TMS in 'Pottu Vaitha Mugamo' ?? Naturally TMS-Sivaji influence would have weighed on him during the take, but he sang it really well.Easily one of SPB's top songs.
  
  Appram andha 'Poonal Pogattum' starting "ooho-ooho" compares as good as SPB's mannil indha kadhal or KJY's 'Poo Malai Vangi' .
  
  I think for all what TMS has done for TFM , he is not being credited to that extent what a SPB or KJY or Kishore or even to a lesser magnitude. Most of the credit went to KD,MSV or Sivaji/MGR.That is pretty sad and may be the reason why he is somewhat unhappy these days..
  
  A Mano can imitate SPB or a Kumar Shanu a Kishore but no one can try TMS ..
  
  
• From: just informing (@ 203.111.1.66) on: Thu Jan 10 23:16:21 EST 2002
  
  you would be surprised mr.tms virumbi.
  I watched a music show the other night, show was in sri lanka, there was this singer, i would say 90% close to tms voice. I think Susheela'ji sang duet with this fellow on that show
  
  
• From: Sombu Nilagriesar (@ 64.105.35.147) on: Thu Jan 10 23:38:02 EST 2002
  
  A Mano can imitate SPB or a Kumar Shanu a Kishore
  If you are serious about this, it means that you understood neither SPB nor Kishore Kumar (or probably TMS).
  
  During his hey days, TMS WAS recognized. No playback singer has figured in ads for hot drinks other than TMS. Please check out the old Vikatans and Kumuthams. The reason why he has been forgotten is his big mouth.
  
  
• From: TMS_Virumbi (@ 207.172.47.106) on: Thu Jan 10 23:51:17 EST 2002
  
  Sombu, u don't have to live up to ur name..The thread agrees that SPB is a overall better singer than TMS. I donno why the argument ?
  
  It was only said 'A Mano can imitate SPB or a Kumar Shanu a Kishore ' and not said Mano = SPB. The point made is it is tough to imitate TMS because of his style.
  
  Doesn't TMS deserve a award atleast at the national level ??
  
  
  
• From: Sombu. N (@ 64.105.35.147) on: Fri Jan 11 00:48:26 EST 2002
  
  This thread is not to compare at all. TMS is a rare singer, indeed. Will anybody doubt it ? I have not passed disparaging remarks on his singing abilities at all. Let us not make comparisons at all.
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 202.144.106.10) on: Fri Jan 11 02:50:30 EST 2002
  
  one thread in newtfmpage "TMS&P.SUSEELA VS SPB&S.JANAKI " , so many words like "kaatu kathal", "too nazzle" " sing for dead people " are used against TMS. To reply them, I have started this thread. I have grown with TMS+PS songs. I listen new songs also, but the impact what he made, no one could make it ,as a male singer, so far.
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Fri Jan 11 03:56:59 EST 2002
  
  Well Said Kalai
  TMS +PS indha Combination Yerpadithina Impact
  Matra YEvarum Yerpadutha villai..
  
  Till now No one Hav come up to that Mark....
  
  May be Now TMS's Voice is not good..
  
  there was an interview of TMS in Jayatv few days back..
  he's Turning 80 in March..
  Still his body, Voice(To Some extent) is Maintained..
  
  Definitely he's a Gift To TFM & Rare Singer Too..
  
  Who else Can Sing..
  
  1.Ponnai Virumbum Boomiyile
  2. Maadhavi Pon mayilal
  3. Paatum Naane Bhavamum Naane
  4. Yenge Nimmadhi
  5. NEeye Unaku yendrum Nigaranavan
  6. Aval Parandhu Ponale
  7. Kaagithathil Kappal Seidhu
  8. Kan Pona Pokkile
  9. Tharai Mel Pirakka Veithan
  10.yenge Aval Yenge Manam
  
  
• From: kalai (@ 202.144.106.10) on: Fri Jan 11 04:16:24 EST 2002
  
  Thank you raj.
  Now a days in all channels, most of the time they were playing new songs and very less opertunities to listen old songs. That too,they play few songs again and again. You reminded me few very good songs and as you told, they are samples.
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 203.199.207.198) on: Fri Jan 11 08:40:46 EST 2002
  
  Recently in Jaya TV their was an interview with TMS and the interviewer was Suthangan...and surprisingly he had a very good knowledge abt the old songs and TMS history..
  Changing the voice for different actors is one of his forte..SPB was also good in that..but not upto to TMS..I am sure that TMS had more than 10 different versions of his voice..
  Everyone know he can reach high pitches easily..but he also made his stamp in low pitches song like "yaarantha nilavu","paavadai thaavaniyil(SPB's fav)"..
  No doubt he is a great singer but as a person i feel that he has a good amt of head weight..in all his interviews he never praises his juniors in the feild..I hate people who say "antha kalathula nanga ellam blah..blah.."..i never heard him praising SPB or IR or KJY..
  Question:"Adhutha piraviyil yaarudaya voice ungalakku vendum?SPBa illai KJYa??
  Answer:KJY's voice and SPB's heart..
  this came in kumudham arasu badilgal long back..
  
  
• From: tms_virumbi (@ 204.154.71.101) on: Fri Jan 11 10:30:43 EST 2002
  
  I am posting a nice analysis by Kalai on the TMS/PS vs SPB/SJ thread for the benefit of people who haven't seen that . Will Show how great a singer TMS is (Today people fight between SPB, KJY and others, but in his time there was no second person) .
  
  Oru line of TMS which has been mentioned in the earlier thread for his bavam i would like to re-iterate.. Sindhanai sei maname ..first stanza 'Ennai thavam seidhen,'.. puts all comparisons to rest, for sure.
  Quote :
  How to justify a talent of a singer? He should fit everywhere. He could bring all emotions. Voice clarity , pronunciation and he should synchronize with the trend of the people. Let me talk about TMS.
  An Interview MSV told " TMS kaalil vizhunthellam avara paada vachirukken, Enakku vendiya ella baavangalyum avarala kondu vara mudinchithu" like this. That time TMS had a misunderstanding with MGR. Was TMS was a big shot than MSV or MGR?. No way. Then, why?
  BBC selected two powerful voices from India. One is TMS. What is special in his voice?
  Antha samayathil PBS, seerkazhi, SPB, KJY ellarum irunthargal . Avargalal mudayatha athu enna? MGR's support was with SPB and KJY also. Appadi enna than baavangalai kondu vanthar TMS? A small analyze…...
  When MSV , KVM, and G. Ramanathan ruling TFM , story decides the situations and situation decides the song. Veeram, murattuthanam, kambeeram, kindal,keli, kaathal, viraham, konjal, thaalatu, aasai, paasam, soham, azhugai, nirasai, thukkam, izhappu, santhosham , moham, azhahunarchi entu ella unarvugalayum vithiyasamana heros-kku paada vendiya kaala kattam athu.
  Oru nadigan mannanaaga, manthiriyaga, thalaivanaga, poraliyaga, arivaliyaga, kaviganaga, kaliganaga, kaathalanaaga, annanaga, kudumba thalivanaga, kanavanaga, thanthayaga , maganaga, vayothibanaga, piccaikaaranaga, oonamuttavannga , drohiaha, Nanbanaaga, varuvathai ellam paadalgalal unartiya kaalam athu. What is the role of TMS in this era?
  MGR, Shivaji, Gemini, Muthuraman, jayshankar, srikanth, ravi chandran entu ontukkontu sampantham illatha hero-kkal, gunachitrangal? How he managed?
  First I will talk about his voice. It is a open voice. Thondai nantraha thiranthu paaduvathu than open voice . It can sing in any range from 1 -7 scales. "TMS can sing in all scales. His voice was majestic, resonant and very stable at even very high pitches. So, entha paadalayum paada koodia vallamai petta voice athu.
  Aduthathau raagam . kanrataka isai, hindusthani isai, folks, light music, western entu antha kaala kattathil ellavattayum paadinar.
  Aduthathu Bhavam : ella vitha bhavangalum avar kuralal velipattirukkirathu. Nampa mudiyavillaya?
  
  In the movie "selvam", one situation. Recently married couple were physically separated in the name of horoscope. They love each other since a long time and she is away from her husband due to horoscope. aval vilahi oduval. Jatahathil nambikkai illatha avan kenjuvan, thurathuvan , aval maruppal, oduval. Aasayum ,kaathalum oru puram, kungumam maraupuram. That song is " ontra , Iranda eduthu solla" . The lyrics, music, TMS+PS, Shivaji+vijaya combination. Ethanai unarchigal antha paadalil vara vendum? Kaathalayum, aasayahavum thuvangum paadal ,konja konjamai vadivam mari , bavangal mari, sathiyatthil nilayppathai mudiyum.
  
  In thiruvilayadal " Paatum naane" song. T.R Mahalingam sang "Isai thamizh" in high pitch with lots of birghas ( Very difficult to sing this song). Other legend of classical music,
  BlamuraliKrishna with another beautiful classical with " oru naal pothuma".
  According to Situation " Paatum naane " should win. It won because of the powerful voice. " naan asainthal asayum ahilameelame" entu avar antha generation -iye asaithar.
  
  A murderers guilty feeling, confusion over the similar looking women, villans threat, fear about his love, etc… he is cornered. A singer has to bring all this feelings in one song. 100 violins give the background score and TMS brought " enge Nimmathi" . That song given very good name to MD and actor. That’s why they preferred him.
  
  " Muthai thiru pathi thirunaghai" another fast song in tamil ( rap paadalgalin munnodi). Enna oru ucharipu sutham?. ( arunagiri naathar)
  
  " He is handicap. Kazhivarkkam thalai thooka , maniviyin anbayum, avalukku ethuvem cheyya mudiyaathathayum ninaithu uruguvan avan. He expresses it in a lullaby. " Ean piranthai magane" . a base song. Anyone could sing. Especially voice like KJ. Antha range-ilum avar paadinar, jeyithar.
  
  Virakthiyin vilimbil avan. He is a doctor and his beloved wife's death is expected anytime in front of him. Will audience accept a burial palce song ? Naaikalum, narikalum oolai ida oru virakthiyana pattu " ponal pohattum poda". Antha paadalil yaar jeyithargal. MD, singer or actor?
  
  Paasa malar " malarnthum malaratha" song is a lullaby starts with a happy lullaby for his son, slowly he remember his past, the affection on his sister , within no time, like a switch he changes the mood it will change to pathos. Now this may be possible for the other few singers also , but he started it, this generation learnt from him " how to sing a song".
  
  He returned from jail. No one is there for him. One stage he came to know his sister is alive. He show all his affection on that small sister. She is in the death bed. That time his emotions brought out in a single song. "Thannerile Thaamaripoo" from Thangai. Irava unakoru koil undu, Iravum pahalum theepam undu, Enakkena Iruppathu oru vilakku, Ithanidam thaana un vazakhu?. The poet, musician and singer compete to win one another. We got a superb song.
  
  Antha naal Gnyabagam nenilae vanthathe - oodi konde paadum paadal. Antha moochu varuvatharkaaga studio -vai sutti odi vanthu paadinaaram. That dedication matters
  Like these, Story decides the song. Most of the songs are decided by story. Musicians required the singer who can bring the emotions.They found TMS was the right person for them.
  " yaar tharuvar intha ariyaasanam"(MK kalidas) entu kambeeramai ezhuntha kural, " yaar antha nilavu(Uyarntha manithan)" entu kaninthathu. "Yaarukkakaga" entu kathariya voice, Ponnai virumbum boomiyle " entu menmayaahavum paadiyathu.
  
  Neeyum naanuma kanna neeyum naanuma - angry
  Acham enbathu madamayada - veeram
  Nenjam undu, nerai undu - nermai
  Naan aanaiyittal, athu nadanthu vittal - order
  Chilar chiripar, chilar azhuvar -shoham ( menmayaha, nenjilirunthu varuvathu pol, adi vayittilirunthu kumuralaaga, aathirmaaga, veruppaga entu ella shogangalum ivari pol yaarum paadiyathillai)
  Thevane ennai paarungal , paar magale paar - adi vayittil irunthu varum shoham
  
  Malargali pol thangai uranguhiral, annan vaazha vapan entu amaithi kondal-lullaby to sister
  Paalum pazhamum kaikalai enthi, pavazha vaayil punnagai sinthi - lullaby to wife
  Chella kiliye mella pesu thental kaate mella veesu , neerodum vaihaiyile - lullaby to son
  Thayillamal naanillai( adimai penn), Pathu maatham sumanthirunthu (annai) - songs on mother
  Chinna payale chinna payale sethi kelada( arasilam kumari) - advice to a boy
  Nalla perai vaanga vendum , Thirdathe papa thiudathe - advice to children.
  Oodi oodi uzhaikkanum , nenjam undu nermai undu oru raja - nambikkai
  Poomazhai thoovi vasanthangal , poo mudippal intha poonkuzhali ( sisters marriage wishes)
  Oru thaai makkal naam enbom , onte engal kulam enbom, sinthu nathiyin misai - thesa bakthi
  Chenthamizhe vanakkam - thamizh vanakkam.
  Aaru maname aaru , chatti suttathada kai vittathada - thathuvam
  Puthia vaanam puthia boomai ( anbe vaa) - nature
  Vasantha mullai pole vanthu, mathavi pon mayilal thohai virithal - nadana paadal
  Sivakami aadavanthal (paatum bharathamum), aadatha manamum undo - naatiya poti paadal
  Paatum naane bhavamum naane , Isai keetal puvi asainthadum, - as a singer, classical
  Naan paadum paadal nalamaha vendum - singer
  Kadavul enum mthalali kandedutha thozhilali, vivasayi , manapaara madu katti -for filed worker
  Yeri karayin mele poravale, mama mama mama - kindal , keli
  Adi ennadi raakamma, pattikkada pattanama - dappan kuthu
  Already we talked more about duets.
  These are very few and he was representing three decade people. He brought all emotions they want. He brought all varities. He sang in all ranges.
  TFM's brought the people to screen, from road drama, stage drama , visual etc. Stage drama raja-rani , purana, samooha , nahaichuvaiyana ( may be more) vahaigalaga irunthathu. These growing stages of TFM they were the rulers. They have done so much of hardwork to improve the quality of TFM and in later 70's it could produce a clear visual and technically improved films. They are the base and reference TFM.
  They defined how to sing a light music. It was difficult to change the taste of a people from pure classical based songs to light music. They ( TMS, Jikki, PS) did it and they are the reference of TFM. Few samples TMS sang in our SPB and KJ's range.
  
  SPB range
  Paaduvaor paadinal ( kannan en kaathalan), paadinal oru paatu paal nilavinil (oru thaai makkal)
  Ponnanthi maali pozguthu ( Ithaya veenai) , naanoru kuzhanthai (padagotti)
  
  KJS range
  Kaagithathil kaapal cheithu kadal naduve oda vitten, ullam entoru aamai , unathu vizhiyil enathu paarvai, orayiram paarvayile un paarvayai nnan ariven,
  
  In this generation , like me ( I am in early thirtees) so many are interested in old songs. But the old generation people, How many may be happy with after '80 songs? Percentage differs a lot ?
  Now we have difference of opinions about singers between SPB, Mano, yesudas like so many. But they never had a diff. Of opinion on TMS and PS. ( PBS and a.m raja are used for base songs.)
  No other language had these many varities of singers. Bhagavathar, T.R.M, Seerkazhi, Chidambarm Jeyaraman, Trichy Loganathan like so many powerful high pitch voices. Other side A.M.raja , PBS, SPB, KJY, PJ, like so many. Other language top sigers Rafi, Kishore, mukesh, ghantasala, PBS, KJY all fall into the second category. We got variety of songs and we enjoyed too. Among these category TMS is the only person who got the gift of singing in all ranges. We should be proud of that genius. If you don’t like him, better keep quiet. Don’t hurt him by your immatured words.
  Other way, Lata & Susheela are comparable with their contribution, Asha and SJ are comparable . Rafi and KJ or SPB is comparable. But TMS no comparison.
  He is the king. So, he didn’t bow. He could have put some polish to the MD's , could have been survived. He never did it. In his period he achieved everything.
  
  
• From: tms_virumbi (@ 204.154.71.101) on: Fri Jan 11 10:50:21 EST 2002
  
  Digression :
  I know of a friend who was indifferent to god, turned into a strong murugan devotee after he heard TMS sing "Murugan" devotional songs.
  
  'Azhagendra sollukku muruga' ,'Oor aaru mugamum' & others in the album.. wish those songs came in TFM and reached more masses.
  
  

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