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Ilayaraja most over rated musician!

Topic started by nojalra (@ 202.9.144.18) on Sat Apr 13 06:27:06 EDT 2002.
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simple question. is this statement right or wrong?

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• From: yes jalra (@ 172.181.248.229) on: Sat Apr 13 11:07:52 EDT 2002
  
  simple answer: initially under rated then over rated and now under rated. understood?
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.231.108) on: Sat Apr 13 12:23:36 EDT 2002
  
  simply idiotic!
  ne way, enna sollanam theriyallai!
  
  
• From: yes yes jalra (@ 203.199.245.75) on: Sat Apr 13 12:56:52 EDT 2002
  
  ada pongada neengalum unga thread'um. :-(
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.188.73) on: Sat Apr 13 13:19:45 EDT 2002
  
  Today, all musicians are over rated.
  Even those who have only done one movie. :)
  
  If you are talking about this forum, then your claim is valid.
  
  In real life, it is not.
  
  
• From: stopit (@ 67.194.25.236) on: Sat Apr 13 23:42:55 EDT 2002
  
  I THINK THIS IS NONE OF UR BUISNESS TO RATE ANYONE. IF U LIKE HIS MUSIC LISTEN ..OR JUST SHUT UR EARS ......
  
  
• From: leels.uk (@ 62.31.64.2) on: Sat Apr 20 04:36:23 EDT 2002
  
  he is over rated in this forum, but still one of the best india has ever produced.
  stop it,
  u have no business to tell others what to to.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.226) on: Sat Apr 20 05:26:40 EDT 2002
  
  IR is a caliber and his talents cant be neither over rated not under rated. It is idiotic to ask such question on such a great MD.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.60.227) on: Sat Apr 20 09:19:55 EDT 2002
  
  cant be neither over rated not under rated
  
  cannot be under rated?
  IR kku vantha kashtta kaalam! :)
  
  
• From: pardhu (@ 202.54.26.125) on: Sat Apr 20 10:44:49 EDT 2002
  
  IR IS TERRIBLY UNDER-RATED. HE HAS GOT MORE THAN
  THAT IS REQD FOR A WESTERN CLASSICAL COMPOSER
  AND HE IS NEVER GIVEN SUCH ALBUMS.
  INFACT IR HAS UNDER-RATED HIMSELF.
  HE CAN DO TOTALLY CLASSICAL STUFF...DIVINE STUFF.
  YET HE CLOGS IN THIS FILMI MAORI.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.226) on: Sat Apr 20 10:47:08 EDT 2002
  
  ROFTEL, if someone under rates, very surely v can under rate that persons music knowledge and interest. I meant in that way.
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.248.239) on: Sun Apr 21 01:03:40 EDT 2002
  
  ROTFEL???
  Rolling on the floor eating and laughing???
  watch ur stomach!!
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.226) on: Mon Apr 22 01:07:53 EDT 2002
  
  ho! god! sorry ROTFL, I addressed u in wrong way. :-)) sorry for that. :-(
  
  
• From: JaimeLeBaron (@ 192.249.47.9) on: Wed Apr 24 15:23:03 EDT 2002
  
  For a man of such reputed talents, Illayaraj has achievd very little save for a few hit songs in Tamil movies of 80s. If you are to count his impact on Indian music, it is miniscule. Lets not even get into his impact on the world music. I am not saying he isnt talented. Talent without achievement is not worth talking. ( To give an anlogy, take Vinod Kambli).
  
  We need to get out of this ghetto mentality and open our eyes and see whats really happening in the world of music. No point being a 'frog in a well' forever. Rahman has managed to give us a peek. Lets appreciate him for that and pray that there will be many more musicians like him in future.
  
  Hope this thread doesnt descend to being ARR vs IRR feud again.. :)
  
  
• From: S T S (@ 12.234.131.39) on: Wed Apr 24 22:07:32 EDT 2002
  
  JaimeLeBaron,
  We need to get out of this ghetto mentality and open our eyes and see whats really happening in the world of music Can you please explain in english so that I can understand your analogy?
  
  Lets appreciate him for that and pray that there will be many more musicians like him in future Why future? You got HJ and Imaan now following very closely... in every aspects....
  
  Rahman has managed to give us a peek
  of what?
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.140.147) on: Thu Apr 25 00:58:06 EDT 2002
  
  JaimeLeBaron
  
  Having said all you have said you end your piece with:
  Hope this thread doesnt descend to being ARR vs IRR feud again.
  
  We have a saying for this: Pillaiyaiyum killivittu thottilaiyum aaturathu.
  
  
• From: a (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Thu Apr 25 01:32:32 EDT 2002
  
  IT IS SAID THAT IR HAS CHANGED THE MUSIC SCENE IN TAMIL MUSIC AND FILM FIELD AND ALSO THE INDIAN MUSIC FIELD OVER ALL INCLUDING HINDI.
  Tamil movie "Dalapathi" music's rights went for a huge price which was highest and made a record also, compared to Hindi and telugu film field.
  After Dalpathi the whole music field changed.
  So I don't agree with the thread title that Ilayaraja most over rated musician!.... Well I will say that due credit and chances are not given to IR.
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.248) on: Thu Apr 25 07:30:40 EDT 2002
  
  Jaime Le Baron, have you lived at any point of time in TN during the two decades following 1977? (Or anywhere in south?) How old are you?
  
  I think you're too less informed or simply immature to comment on the genius Raja & his musical achievements. To summarise someone's achievements in 800 films & non-filmy albums as `a few hit songs in 80's' is simply ludicrous:-(
  
  We understand your appreciation for ARR (which obviously has no place in this thread anyway) but please learn to respect other composers as well! I recommend you listen to the instrumental album called `How to name it' by IR and then make your esteemed opinions!
  
  And for the guy / gal who started this thread, please clarify where in the world is IR `most over rated'?
  
  
• From: JaimeLeBaron (@ 192.249.47.9) on: Thu Apr 25 14:27:03 EDT 2002
  
  My apologies if I had sounded like I had disrespected IR. As a strugling musician myself, I never would disrespect another artist.
  
  What I had meant was, IR made a sensational start to his career. But he got stuck in the rut and was content to being a mediocre musician in TN. He was happy to satisfy a producer from Pollachi who was investing a few lakh rupees (in the 80s) and churn out some ordinary tune. He was far too talented than do just that but his attitude wasnt.
  
  How many ordinary people outside TN ever heard his name ? I bet Johny Lever or Vinod Kambli or Prabhu Deva are better known in Assam/Haryana/Gujrat. Get the idea of what a huge waste of talent ?
  
  The deal about him scoring 800 movies is exactly the point. How many National awards has IR won for these 800 movies? three ? Greame Hick scored 100 centuries in first class cricket but who cares ? What did he do internationally ??
  
  If you think Tamil music cant succeed in National/International level, just think of Khaled ( of Didi fame). He sang in Arabic and for christ sake that was a huge international hit! or Apache Indian (agreed he mixed a bit of English) or cheb mami or the other hundreds of crossover artists. The point I am trying to make is, language doesnt matter if you are talented.
  
  The reason I mentioned ARR is, he wasnt content with Roja/Gentleman fame. He makes a conscious effort to come out of the proverbial well. If you listen to his Hindi movies or the Vandematram album, they have a totally different look and feel to them as compared to his tamil movies. Now that hes worked with Nusrat,Michael Jackson, Webber etc, hes gonna get even bigger and I forsee a day soon when he will stop working in Tamil films coz he just grew too big for it ( like Sridevi..:) ). Tho its sad, I'd feel proud coz one of my fellow Tamilian desevedly made it internationally.
  
  I dunno how well I put my thoughts in writing but I think I am done. My posting was a anguished regret of the enormous talent of IR gone to waste. Apologies once again. Adios.
  
  
• From: duhhhhh (@ 62.30.112.1) on: Thu Apr 25 16:02:59 EDT 2002
  
  "Illayaraj has achievd very little save for a few hit songs in Tamil movies of 80s."
  
  jaime...!!tell me u are kidding us !!!!!.
  
  
• From: duhhhhh (@ 62.30.112.1) on: Thu Apr 25 16:03:10 EDT 2002
  
  "Illayaraj has achievd very little save for a few hit songs in Tamil movies of 80s."
  
  jaime...!!tell me u are kidding !!!!!.
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Thu Apr 25 16:10:19 EDT 2002
  
  ...Illayaraj has achievd very little save for a few hit songs in Tamil movies of 80s....
  few hit songs??!!
  
  ...Talent without achievement is not worth talking...
  
  What is your definition of achievement? I think capturing the hearts and minds of 60 million people for more than 20 years is achievement enough!
  
  ...We need to get out of this ghetto mentality and open our eyes and see whats really happening in the world of music...
  I dunno about that, but we really need to get out of this slavish mentality where only when a north indian or a westerner says one of our artistes is good do we really believe that he/she is good.
  
  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your heart really bleeds for IR, but seriously, dont bother.
  
  
• From: naga (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Thu Apr 25 16:14:42 EDT 2002
  
  I just want to say a few words here.. No body has any doubts about IR's talent.. He is a true genius and imo, he is underrated.
  
  If we see when Raja ruled the TFM in 70's and 80's, he had no time to think about doing anying other than film music.. Directors, producers and everybody was after him. He composed a number of great melodies one after the other in almost all the movies he did in all south indian languages.. He was a like a king for almost 20 years and he was doing 30 movies per year on an average.. What more could you expect from an MD? Amidst all these he managed to produce a few non-filmy albums but he wasn't smart enough to market that internationally. He relesaed it like any other film music.. I would be right to say even his best BGMs will beat any highly rated international music.. I think IR didn't even make an attempt to get national and international popularity as he was so contented with satisfying his own crowd for a long long time.
  
  Few months ago in an interview (anadha vikatan), he mentioned that he wasted all his career in film music(even subbudu commented on that)... but it's all too late now. So I guess even in how own heart, he thinks that he is underrated. I also once read in ambalam.com where writer sujatha had mentioned that IR is very much underrated for what he really is.
  
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.18) on: Thu Apr 25 20:37:36 EDT 2002
  
  From: JaimeLeBaron (@ 192.249.47.9) on: Thu Apr 25 14:27:03 EDT 2002
  
  >> As a strugling musician myself, I never would disrespect another artist.
  
  
  Now we know why you are stuggling. You cannot see real music...
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Thu Apr 25 23:58:28 EDT 2002
  
  What I had meant was, IR made a sensational start to his career. But he got stuck in the rut and was content to being a mediocre musician in TN. He was happy to satisfy a producer from Pollachi who was investing a few lakh rupees (in the 80s) and churn out some ordinary tune. He was far too talented than do just that but his attitude wasnt.
  
  
  Whats wrong is satisfying a one lakh rupees producer and giving bad/good/better/superlative music to his films? How come one's achievement becomes void if one gives music for an aNNakkaavadi producer (a.k.a a poor producer)? From when achievements are measured in terms of giving music only to crorepathi producers who churn out junk movies like hero loving heroine in BMW at newzealand or ohio singing jigar magar or uyirae, manamae?
  
  If u consider art type movies as good movies and giving music to them shows one's(MD's) achievement, then also, how many art type movies were crorepathi movies?
  
  It is a myth, to say that one has achieved only if one has worked with high budget movies.
  
  How many ordinary people outside TN ever heard his name ? I bet Johny Lever or Vinod Kambli or Prabhu Deva are better known in Assam/Haryana/Gujrat.
  
  How many people know about beethovan, mozart? Even after not working for high budgeted dramas or in royal courts only people have achieved a lot. Infact ordinaries like me came to know that even there is something called as Western Classical through MSV's music and IR's music. It is after the "small circle" acheivement of IR that i came to know that beethovan, mozart are to WC just like trinity are to carnatic.
  
  
  The deal about him scoring 800 movies is exactly the point. How many National awards has IR won for these 800 movies? three ? Greame Hick scored 100 centuries in first class cricket but who cares ? What did he do internationally ??
  
  Can you name me who is the MD in India who has got most number of Best Music Director award?
  
  Greame Hick's example is quoted wrongly here. Agreed that Hick did well in domestic and was most hyped. But he was exposed to international matches where he failed miserably that proved that his domestic achievements and the hype were unnecessary. Did IR failed in any of his international projects, be it a few only? Even in symphony's cause the RPH did not reject scoring music for him terming it as "NOT UP TO THE MARK". Those artists who worked with him in RPH like downton, scott have said that IR's symphony is great work. Please read comments of lazaro of Budapest orchestra about IR's scores for Hey! Ram and Lajja. These proofs are like a domestically highly acclaimed batsman's international centuries went un-noticed. These evidences are not like the poor international performances of Hick.
  
  

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