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A request to amateur composers who visit this page

Topic started by Vijay (@ 212.137.205.127) on Thu Nov 16 16:58:22 EST 2000.
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I'd like to request amateur composers who visit this page to tell me if they've uploaded any of their work onto the internet and if they have, please tell me where I can listen to it. Thank You.

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Some composers to check out (in no particular order): Jay, Srikanth, Ganesh, Eswar, Sridhar Seetharaman, Kumar, Rjay. Vishwesh Obla

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• From: kbguy (@ 200.52.4.82) on: Mon Feb 10 16:19:50 EST 2003
  
  Aditya, sound very nice it does have a good meter. I see that you have learnt to program bass, it is popping at right places. good job.
  Drum programming is also clean and finally surprise track is more than a minute :)
  
  but!....(I thought you must know this.)
  can you share with us how you got the subject in the score. IMHO, I feel subject is hard to locate, what is the tune aimed at?,
  a small composition tip: identify a subject , get a structure that holds this subject.
  Secondly I were you I would avoid using the term "Jazz", however it does have RnB feel because of the beat.
  
  good job!..keep them coming.
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 160.231.5.123) on: Mon Feb 10 19:04:21 EST 2003
  
  Hello Friend:
  
  First of all given a guess on your identity, I don't want to call you KBGuy and you have a beautiful name. Thanks for your comments. They are helpful. Well I am still learning...
  
  By virtue of experience and knowledge, you seem to have more to offer...rather than myself answering something...I would sincerely ask you the following...
  
  Given a subject, for an instrumental music of any style.
  - how to make the structure that represents the subject and listeners feel the same. The problem is that instruments have no voice to speak the subject with lyrics. Then most important thing is to convince the listeners that it's indeed the subject. Most of the times composer thinks something and listeners think something else...if there were visuals or lyrics then it helps little bit.
  
  Based on the structure of the current composition, what will be the suitable subject.
  
  I will learn please put your thoughts.
  
  Regards,
  Aditya
  
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.100.117) on: Tue Feb 11 10:31:32 EST 2003
  
  This seems to be an interesting software for
  carnatic music. The author is a retired govt
  officer who has learned to program vb3!
  has anyone used this:
  it is called rasika-gaayaka.
  
  Such endeavors need good encouragement and support.
  
  http://carnatic2000.tripod.com/
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Tue Feb 11 12:32:23 EST 2003
  
  Aditya
  Good job as KB said the beats are nice so are the bass notes.
  And hey good luck in identifying the person behind
  name KBGuy :) LOL
  The peice had heavy influence of charukesi ragam right?! Since ragam itself creates a kind of melancholy mood the same I could feel from the composition kind of sad mood with a rock beat :)
  Good job
  
  Rjay the concept is very interesting.
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 160.231.10.123) on: Tue Feb 11 14:30:02 EST 2003
  
  UV:
  
  Thanks for your comments. Yes it's based on Charukeshi scale. This has a subject representing flavors of melancholy.
  
  I know KBGuy, my friend -> whether I name here or not:-))
  
  Regards,
  Aditya
  
  
• From: KBGuy (@ 200.52.4.82) on: Tue Feb 11 15:28:46 EST 2003
  
  Aditya,
  An exercise, pick a famous background signature tune, like the James Bond opening theme for example or the good bad & ugly opening score,
  find the subject! in the tune.
  
  If you listen to it, a lead part will be repeated at regular intervals in the James bond theme.
  so what you may ask, it is something like pallavi that comes at regular intervals.whats is the difference here? whats the big deal about the subject?,
  Rule#1:
  A Subject can be played with any chord regardless and Scales. It does not or will not or should not change in the score.
  Take the Tom and Jeery theme, they play the theme in 10,000 different ways. Still you will be able to say it is Tom and Jerry theme after hearing 4 bars. Hope you got the idea.
  
  
  "The problem is that instruments have no voice to speak the subject"
  
  this above statement of your blanks out instrumental music to zero. hence rethink about this.
  :)
  
  finally dont worry about my name, rather read my posting :))
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 160.231.5.123) on: Tue Feb 11 16:09:01 EST 2003
  
  KBGuy:
  
  Your language itself is like a "Subject". Why should I worry about just a Name.
  
  The subjects that you mentioned grow over listener with a fractal like pattern - I didn't mean necessarily repeating the same 'n' bar length pattern over and over. Composer will have to build the fractals which will independently represent the subject in their least unit.
  
  Yes ofcourse instruments have a voice...and they can speak the subject - It sometimes measures up the composers maturity and sometimes listeners too.
  
  Thanks for your suggestions.
  
  Regards,
  Aditya
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 68.62.90.57) on: Tue Feb 11 21:08:09 EST 2003
  
  KBGuy:
  
  Did you mean the following?
  Subject is independent of chords and scales but a lead part repeatedly playing a particular pattern. This will make listeners familiar about the tune. Am I right?
  
  Rule#1 implicitly seems to define the standards in arrangement practices.
  
  Thanks Annan. I like this discussion.
  
  regards,
  Aditya
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.100.117) on: Wed Feb 12 10:25:42 EST 2003
  
  I may not clearly understand, but is the subject 'theme'?
  
  I am also reminded of the idea of a motif or kernel, as they call in
  composition theory. It is the phrase or phrase rhythm more appropriately that is developed into so many variations, but provides the unity because
  the whole melody is the echo of this motif.
  
  The classical example would be the Beethovens 5th
  symphony built on a simple 4 note pattern. da-da-da-DUM.
  
  Raja builds whole Janani Janani song with the thanannA phrase. And he has said in many interviews, how the inspiration is most of the time a phrase, which occurs to him in a fraction of a second, which he then develops into songs.
  
  Modern composition is more hook-based than theme-and-variation. Hooks are stand alone melodic fragments that are catchy and memorable and are
  often repeated many times. In western pop, these are carefully positioned in the chorus (which like
  our pallavi has the job of statement of the song's theme). Modern pop (which has influenced Rahman a lot) views songs are sound collages (with series of sound paintings). The accuracy of sound is valued much more than the unity of the composition. I am not saying as a critical comment. I see the value of this viewpoint.
  Collage approach questions the need for unity
  forced by the thematic repetition.
  
  I should hasten to add that collage approach was first used in symphonies.
  
  THis is the reason why Rahman's songs have to be
  listened many times before they can be seen as a
  unified whole (forced by repetition).
  
  For instance, Pachai niramae and its pallavi (sakiyae) have very little musical similarity.
  Scale, rhythm, chandam everything is different.
  
  Ilayaraja has given so many collage songs- my most
  favorite collage being Poongathavae thaazh thiravai.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.100.118) on: Wed Feb 12 10:35:58 EST 2003
  
  Taal had many collage songs - most obvious being
  Ishq bina. Ishq bina is rendered as a soulful
  ballad and followed up with a qawwali rendering.
  I remember Sridhar Seetharaman mentioning a Rahman interview, where he gave two styles of rendering to the director and the director said, I want both!
  
  Interesting, the thematic song in the movie is
  the Taal se taal mila song. It is a theme development song. See the phrase similarity between the pallavi and the charanam meters.
  And how a single meter Chandas is used for almost the entire charanam.
  
  Thematic songs have more probablity of becoming
  instant hits.
  
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.211.96) on: Wed Feb 12 12:59:54 EST 2003
  
  Rjay I agree with you on the hook concept.
  Has been used by IR in his films,I dont know about the older films.
  Example mounga ragam,nayagan,apoorva sahotharargal etc in some movie.
  As we hear the score in the background audience know that hero is coming etc..
  There also cases where each charachter gets a particular instrument,i forgot the movie name but there is a scene where only instruments are used to express the emotions of the various charachters. one example in the movie 'Meendum Kokila' esp the scene when kamal and family goes to sridevi house for the first time(penparakka) :))
  And regarding the 'Subject Theme' I think KBguy was suggesting Aditya to try to come up with a subject or situation and then composing for that. In this way one can channelise ones emotion towards that theme/subject and compose accordingly.
  Examples
  A) Lets say a young man finds out his love is being accepted imagine his joy.
  one can compose a score for that
  b)a couples first child etc its goes on..
  KBguy correct me if I am wrong.
  
  PS I think Beegees did wonderful work on Beethovens 5th symphony right ?!!
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Wed Feb 12 13:07:42 EST 2003
  
  Aditya here is the link of that song
  A Fifth of Beethoven by Bee Gees/Walter Murphy
  
  http://radio.terra.com.br/includes/internas_albuns/0/280.php?id_art=179
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 160.231.10.123) on: Wed Feb 12 14:21:45 EST 2003
  
  UV:
  Thanks for the link. It was very good.
  Regards,
  Aditya
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.100.118) on: Wed Feb 12 15:00:51 EST 2003
  
  UV
  
  Hook is different from what you gave as an example. Your example of using theme for a character is called leitmotif.
  
  Hook is 'take it easy urvasi' it is 'adadaa' in enna satham. it is 'raajjja' in agni natchatram.
  'chandralaeeekha'. A memorable melody that makes you want to sing it and listen again.
  
  THaks for the pointer to Beegees. I listened to Beegees version of Beethoven and I am not very impressed with it.
  It is nothing but a disco groove played against
  the symphonic recording dampening its original effect. Sounds like Paul Mauriat. I think they
  kind of thought it would be good to provide modern
  rendering of B5 and after long attempts could not
  come up with anything! 'Staying alive' is actually
  very good!
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Wed Feb 12 16:10:56 EST 2003
  
  thanks for pointing it out rjay i got the terminology wrong.
  Waiting for inputs from KBGUY ;0
  
  

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