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Praise, not criticise DEVA!

Topic started by NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on Mon May 11 23:37:46 EDT 1998.
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Read this interview with Deva, where he has been called to answer several accusations, some like from this very forum. :-))

http://www.expressindia.com/screen/may08/music3.htm

Comments are welcome, but please be objective and don't call him names. :-))

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• From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Tue May 12 00:17:44 EDT 1998
  
  Apologies for the mistake. Here is the URL again.
  
  http://www.expressindia.com/screen/may08/music3.htm
  
  
• From: praise_panna_theriyaathavan (@ 192.122.135.224) on: Tue May 12 05:10:28 EDT 1998
  
  > I have certain characteristic songs like Autokaran (Basha), Aval varuvala (Nerukku Ner) and Kola vizhi amman (Purusha Latchanam)
  > which had 108 Goddess’ name in the song. Why
  don’t people praise my individuality instead of constantly criticising me?
  
  "Aval varuvaalaa" paattu ivarudaya individuality-ukku nalla example thaan !
  
  108 amman varra maathiri paattu ezhuthiyavar Kaalidhaasan. Ivar ethukku thannai pugazhnthu kolgiraar?
  
  
• From: raja m (@ ww-ti03.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue May 12 10:58:53 EDT 1998
  
  I always liked Naan Autokaran ( from Batcha). The dance sequence was action packed and tune is quite catchy.
  
  Deva did turn out a good one !
  
  
  
• From: bs (@ www1.access.bt.com) on: Tue May 12 13:43:43 EDT 1998
  
  Thalaiva:
  Devavai dharma adi podrahila irukkira sugame vera..:-)) Ana muthugila thatti
  kudukka solreenga... vera vazhi..:-)))
  
  Gana king devavoda veLLarikka pinju veLLarikka.. sooper..:-))
  Avaroda decent songsla Aasaila vara konja naaL poru thalaiva..,
  KKla vara Sevappu lolakku.. , NNla vara Manam virumbuthe..
  ellam differenta nalla paNNi irukkar..:-)
  
  Thalaiva, innum Deva-muthugai thattina pinjirum..:-)))Ithoda niruthikkaren..:-)
  
  BS
  
  
• From: gOpAl (@ 1cust91.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net) on: Tue May 12 18:08:12 EDT 1998
  
  " I am a Karmayogi. I do my duty well. That is my religion."
  
  ???????????
  
  
• From: Mano (@ eislib2.uwaterloo.ca) on: Tue May 12 20:23:24 EDT 1998
  
  In one of the question regarding re-recording, Deva said that he does not get enough time. Remember, back in old days, when raja composed music over 30 films per year, his re-recording was always good. Then why can't Deva make it?
  
  
• From: Gokul (@ p1.echostar.com) on: Tue May 12 20:37:17 EDT 1998
  
  Let's dance to Akila Akila ..
  
  Let's get enthralled by Thanjavooru maNeduthu..
  
  Let's get hypnotised by AthanDa IdhanDa..
  
  Let's Praise Mediocrity!
  
  
• From: venus (@ 218.los-angeles-06.ca.dial-access.att.net) on: Tue May 12 23:23:23 EDT 1998
  
  Deva Sir,
  We expect "CHARACTERSTIC" songs from you
  "Aval varalae " is the characterstic piece
  by L.Subbu (Super instinct, what an album!)
  Cut and paste is common in these days please
  do not claim it to be original or chracterstic
  ( boy "resuability" is nicec to listen when we discuss about Software development , not in music).
  
  
• From: buddy (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed May 13 01:20:17 EDT 1998
  
  Mr.Deva
  
  Akila Akila Direct lift from Buffulo Soldier - Bob marley and the wailers
  Aval Varuvala - Get up stand up - Bob Marley and the Wailers
  Manam Virumbudhe - Straight lift from keerthanai (Mana lochana)
  
  Amazing album.
  
  
  Bit news...
  Recently he has copied Tic Tac Toe in Sundara Pandian.....
  
  
  Every one should appriciate his usage of Asha,
  108 Gods name(He his taking the credit of lyricist also!!!!), his esstyle of copying and of course his interviews.
  
  He should be called poor man's all in all rather than poor man's illayaraja
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tp03.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed May 13 02:31:35 EDT 1998
  
  Thalaivaa:
  
  Praise pannunnu solliteenga!
  
  IdhO panniduvOm!
  
  
  pOttri paadadi peNNe!
  Devar kaaladi maNNe!
  
  Thekku desai aanda Music Kulam dhaan!
  Mukkulatha saerndha Deva brothers dhaan!
  
  pOttri paadadi peNNe!
  Devar kaaladi maNNe!
  
  
  Eppadi thalaivaa podhumaa ? innum idhaivida
  praise pannanumaa ? sollunga ? panniduvOm!
  
  Innum ekkachekkamaa praise pannuvaen ippo
  thookam varudhu naalaikku vandhu marubadiyum
  praising dhaan Thalaivaa!
  
  
  
  
• From: Mohankumar (@ proxy.qatar.net.qa) on: Wed May 13 15:52:55 EDT 1998
  
  I do admire deva for some songs. But unfortunately most of them are straight-lift or have 'relations' with other songs. The 'greatest lift' of deva is the song 'Manam virumbude' (film: Nerkkuner). The interlude of violin is a piece composed by L Subramaniam in 1989. I don't remember which album it is. And again this particular song has some connection to the carnatic piece 'manavyalakinchara..' (nalinakanthi raga) but he has changed the raga. Of course we will continue appreciating deva's music but only for his ORIGINAL which is yet to come I believe.
  
  
• From: NOV (@ 202.184.134.10) on: Thu May 14 05:31:49 EDT 1998
  
  bs, Bhaskar & others - Apologies for not stating my objectives clearly, re the title.
  
  The title of this thread was inspired from Deva's answer to one of the queries: "Why don’t people praise my individuality instead of constantly criticising me?"
  
  Please criticise by all means, but within the limits of decency. Actually, avaroadu interview is waiting to be kiluchufied. :-))
  
  It looks like that the accusations hurled against him are not limited to within this forum, and more importantly, he is well aware of it.
  
  It will also be interesting to discuss on why he is still highly sought after and successful, in spite of the many obvious plagarisms.
  
  
• From: badri raghavan (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Thu May 14 06:59:04 EDT 1998
  
  a person asking for others' recognition as a reflection of his self worth should be pitied rather than condemned. deva has produced music which has sold well in the market and ergo he is a busy MD. instead of being contented with that, he now seeks accredition from music lovers on creative grounds. it is an universally known fact that most of his works have more than a shade of resemblance to popular numbers and surely that is not an accident or coincidence. perhaps these numbers have so greatly influenced and inspired him that he has adapted them to suit the demands of the producers. that is as generous as one can be to his works.
  
  deva must realise that recognition is earned and not demanded. IR responded to critics' accusations that he copied rasputin et al by unleashing a wave of music that bore his stamp and style. let deva silence his critics by coming out with a music that cannot be attributed to anybody else. that is the only way
  
  
• From: dorai (@ gateway8.ey.com) on: Thu May 14 11:53:09 EDT 1998
  
  Akkila Akilla song from NERRUKKU NERR is a copy of the Ad Music MAZZA MAZAA!!!.
  
  I have not seen one song which Deva has composed brand new. All are copies of IRs old tunes.
  
  
• From: dorai (@ gateway8.ey.com) on: Thu May 14 11:53:38 EDT 1998
  
  Akkila Akilla song from NERRUKKU NERR is a copy of the Ad Music MAZZA MAZAA!!!.
  
  I have not seen one song which Deva has composed brand new. All are copies of Illayaraja's old tunes.
  
  
• From: sree (@ viveka.cs.concordia.ca) on: Thu May 14 12:07:01 EDT 1998
  
  dorai,
  as buddy said akkila kkila is a direct lift from a english song -- buffalo soldier.
  Deva should be ashamed for giving a interview like this evenafter copying majority of songs from different resources in Nerrukku Ner.
  
  Sree
  
  
• From: sree (@ viveka.cs.concordia.ca) on: Thu May 14 12:07:08 EDT 1998
  
  dorai,
  as buddy said akkila akkila is a direct lift from a english song -- buffalo soldier.
  Deva should be ashamed for giving a interview like this evenafter copying majority of songs from different resources in Nerrukku Ner.
  
  Sree
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.156) on: Thu May 14 18:17:14 EDT 1998
  
  one thing which i hate about deva is when people ask him why he lifts tunes he puts the blame squarely on the producers saying that they pressurize him to do so.how long is he going to say that? he has reached a position in TFM where he no longer needs to be a slave to the producers.if they ask u to do something against your principles,do not do it.if u are still greedy and want to do it then u'll end up in trouble as deva is in right now,after being sued for lifting a song.But if u don't have any principles at all,then forget it!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.156) on: Thu May 14 18:22:38 EDT 1998
  
  in addition to my above posting i would like add a note. i saw an interview of gangai amaran once a few years back in TV and he was asked as to how he came up with the raga and the tune for the 'devi sridevi' song
  in vaazhve mayam, to which he replied quietly that he was impressed by 'naalam naalam thurunaalam' song from kadhalikka neramillai and had based his song on the same raaga.He said he did not even know about the raaga.
  
  now i like that because he was magnanimous enough to accept the fact and he did not say that he was pressurized to do so.He did a good job with the songs in that film too.deva should a learn a lesson or two from GA on how not to be a hippocrite.
  
  
• From: Amma (@ 202.54.6.108) on: Fri May 15 10:16:34 EDT 1998
  
  Autokkaran from 'Badsha' is a straight lift from a popular marathi folk tune 'Vallorey nakkuva'.Deva sir, poi sonnalum porunda sollanum.
  
  
• From: Amma (@ 202.54.6.108) on: Fri May 15 10:22:28 EDT 1998
  
  Sure why don't people praise Deva for his originality ? Afterall, who has the ingenuity to lift from such original sources as from titles tracks to tv shows. most of us will remember 'Surabhi' - a a cultural show that used to be aired on DD. Remember the title tune (composed by L.Sub, if i remember right) ? Deva has cleverly used it in his 'manam virumbude' in Nerukku ner. Of course it is common knowledge that 'mamam virumbudey' was inspired from 'manavyanakim'- a carnatic number. another ingenious lift !
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.29.219) on: Fri May 15 18:40:49 EDT 1998
  
  to summarize,people should praise deva's originality in lifting tunes!
  
  

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