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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 6: Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Tue Aug 11 19:17:02 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just their Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal for this thread.
Please provide the name of the song whose lines you excerpt and the name of the movie if known. Here are the symposium categories, the bold topics are yet to be discussed:
1)Iyarkai Varnanai
2)Kaadhal Paadalgal
3)Thaththuva Paadalgal
4)Vaarthai Prayoagam
5)Nagaichchuvai Paadalgal
6)Samudhaaya Seerthirutha / Puratchi Paadalgal
7)Vingyaana/Naveena Karuthoottum Paadalgal
8)Ilakkiya Moolam Ulla Paadalgal
9)Kadhaikku Porundhiya Paadalgal(situational songs)
10)Kavidhai Milekarkal (Poetic Milestones that the poets will be remembered by!)

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Responses:

• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate1.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Aug 12 12:08:19 EDT 1998
  
  Ennapa, Yaraiyum kaNNom???
  
  Sari... N-aanE aarambikkirEn.
  
  KaNNadhasan
  1. unnai arindhal, n-ee unnai arindhaal ulagathil pooraadalaam, uyarN-thaalum, thaazhthaalum thalai vaNNagamal N-ee vaazhalaam...
  
  .....
  
  maapErum sabaiyil N-ee N-andandhal unnakku maalaigaL vizha vENdum oru mattru kuraiyadha mannan ivan endru potri pokagazha vENdum....
  
  .....
  
  maanam perithendru vaazhN-tha thalaivargaL sammikku N-igar illaiya?
  than maanam perithendru vazhN-tha periyorgaL thalaivargaL aagavillaiya???
  
  Side line note:- indha paattai kettal evvaLavu azhuthukittu irundhalum en paiyan Jithakrishna udanE azharadhai N-iruthiduvaan...
  
  2. dharummam thalai kaakkum thakka samiyathil uyir kaakkum...
  
  3. pooyum pooyum manithanukindha puthiyai koduthaanE....
  
  4. ondru engaL jathiyE ondru engaL N-eethiyE ulaga makkaL yavarum oruvar petra makkaLe...
  
  5. ennathaan N-adakkattum N-adakkattumE, iruttinil N-eethi maraiyattumE, thannalE vELi varum thayangathE oru thalaivan irukkiraan mayangathE...
  
  6.thangangaLE N-aaLaith thalaivargaaLE
  N-am thaayum mozhiyum kaNkagaL,
  singangaLE vaazhum theivangaLe
  N-am dhEsam kaappavar N-eengaL
  N-am thaatha Gandhi maama Nehru theDiya selvangaL
  kalvi saalai thandhavan Ezhaithalaivanai thinamum eNNungaL....
  
  7. Suthandhira bhoomiyil palavagai janagaaLai pola thottathil malarnadha malargaL... (Some Sivaji film.. I don't know the film Name)
  
  8.N-alla N-alla piLLaigaLai N-ambi indha N-aadE irukkuthu thambi,....
  
  9.konji konji pEsi madhi mayaakkum vanjagarin ulagam vaalai virikkum....
  
  10. oru thaai makkaL N-aam enbom onrE engaL.... from Anandha Jothi
  
  Sari VM kku varuvOm
  
  1. thaayin maaNikkodi thaayin maaNikkodi potrida solluga Jai Hind... from the film Jai Hind
  
  2.achchaam, achcham illai aadimai N-enjam illai.... from Indhira
  
  3.Maanidha maanidha ini un vizhigaL sivanthaal ulagam maadiyum....
  
  4. vaanatha parthEn bhoomiya paarthEn manushanai innum pakkalaiyE... from Manithan.
  
  More Later..
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Aug 12 14:09:08 EDT 1998
  
  The following are edited-and-anecdoted-for-relevance re-postings of Ramki's and Kanchana's views from a VM Patti Mandram. Hope you guys don't mind my doing this. There is some great insight in these postings.
  
  By Ramki:
  Oru pennukku aneedhi aerpattaal, urumaarach cholgiraar VM
  
  'oh oru thendral puyalaagi varumae'
  
  puyalaagu maaru engiraar. Idhae paadalil innum varum vaira varigal
  
  'adukkalai thudaippadhum padukkaiyai virippadhum
  adhu pennin kadhai illaiye'
  
  
  Same VM wrote the following lines:
  
  'vivagathaiye vivagarathu seidha pengalin kootamidhu'
  Wow Bharathi kooda solladha arumaiyaana varigal.
  
  Engalukku vivagamae thevaiyillai endru independataagaa vazhum dhairiyasaali penmanigal.
  
  'nam ellorkkum ore kanavan
  adhu isaiya irukkattum'
  
  Kalyanam enbadhu oru pennukku oru aan maganodu dhan irukkavendiyadhillai enbadhai koorugiraar
  
  In many of his songs he has written on the respect a man has for his woman...examples
  
  'thaiyidam kooda kandadhillai andha paasam'
  
  Than manaiviyin paasam oru annai kaattum paasathodu uyarvaanadhu. Adhe paadalin (anbulla appa) kadaisiyil varum varigal
  
  en vaanil vidivelli ezhundhadhu
  vennilavu maraindhadhu
  
  vidivelli vennilavu rendume rendu pengalai kurupidugriaar.indha rendum illaiyendraal vaanam
  irundu poividum. Oru manidhanil vazhvil oru pen illaiyendraal avan vazhkkai dhisai theriyaamal poividum,irundu vidum. So oru penn oru aanain vazhakkai thunai mattumillai but avanadhu vazhikattiyum engiraar..
  
  Pennai deivamaaga madhithu pala paadalgal thandhullaar kaviarasu Vmuthu.
  
  'en deivamae nee pennalla'(nilavondru kanden)
  'theril vandha deivamae'(engae en jeevanae)
  'nee ennudan irukkumpodhu deivam edharkku'(enadhu raagam)
  
  
  Vasanthi padathil our paadalil oru kanavan than manaivikku tharum mariyadhaiyai miga azhagaaga
  unarthugiraar..
  
  poomalaiye unnai manappen
  un pudhuselai kasangaamal anaippen
  Maharani pol unnai madhippen
  un madiyodu en jeevan mudippen
  ******************************
  en meniyil rendu thuligal vizhum
  adhu podhume jeevan amaidhi kollum'
  **********************************
  
  arpudhamaana varigal..than manaiviyin kaaneril
  janma saaabalyam adaiyum oru kanavanin kavidhai
  
  'madi meedhu marithen maru janmam koduthai'(kalaivaaniye)
  
  mundhina varigalil manaiviyin madiyil irakka thudikkum kanavan.Ingo manaiviyin madiyil marithum
  pudhu jenmam adaiyum aadavan.
  
  Aanukku mudhalum mudivum pennae endru sollamal sollugiraar VM.
  
  kaadhaliyai thaaiyaaga ninaikkum kadhalargalum ivar paadalgalil undu
  
  'kaamam ondrae en kaadhal alla
  kandene unnai thaiyaaga'(oru jeevan)
  
  kaadhalikku panividai seiyum kaadhalan
  
  'vennilavae unnai thoonga vaikka un viralukku sodukkedupen'
  varuda varum poongatraiyellaam konjam vadikatti anuppivaippen'(Pollutionaal kettupoivitta kaatrai
  kaadhaalan andha pollutionellaam vadikatti.suthamaana kaatrai kaadhalikku anuppugiraar)
  
  Penn sudhandhirathai patri enne solgiraar endru parpom..
  
  'ini acham acham illai oru adimai ennam illai nam kaalam ingae koodi pochu kanner michamillai'
  
  nangae varigalil pengalin munnetram ,sudhandhiram ponravatrai adakkivittaar..
  
  'amma azhagu kannamma idhu namma boomi endru azhuthi sollamma'
  
  idhu pengalin boomi , avargalin aatchiye ingu nadakkiradhu engiraar
  
  sila aangalin adimai thanathaal sorndhu poi nirkkum pennai parthu solgiraar
  
  'hey unnai vetri kolvadhu dhaan saadhanai
  nee uyarvu kolla varuvadhu dhan sodhanai
  desiya virundhugal vaangalam un vegathai katti vai
  aasiya virundhugal vaangalam sila aanaigal ittu vai'(Aswini)
  
  By Kanchana
  Progressive thinking on Women's Issues -- A Rare Luxury for VM & Any TFM Lyricist
  
  VM bemoans the double standards where women are upheld as mother-goddess in theory and second-class citizen in practice, in "anbuLLa malarE":
  dheivam peNNendRu sonnArE
  ellAm siththAndhamA?
  peNNaik kaNNeeril neerAttith
  theruvil vittArammA
  ....
  vAzhum samudhAyam pudhu
  vAzhvaith tharumA?
  (BTW, this appears to be inspired by a kaNNadhAsan verse in "rANi samyukthA")
  
  He decries the hypocricy of the "kaNNagi factor" for women in a society which is tolerant of men treating women as sex objects for the most part, in "mEgam kaRuththirukku":
  kaNNagaiyai andRu azha vaiththAr--adi
  adhaRkup piRagE silai vaiththAr
  pagalil peNNaith thozha vaiththAr
  iravil adhaRkOr vilai vaiththAr
  
  peNgaL meedhuthAn thappirukku--adi
  ANgaLukkengE kaRpirukku?
  
  peNkulam mattum kaRpaik kAkkattum ingE
  varach chollu peNNE andha vaLLuvan enge?
  
  He squarely places the accountability for this entire mess where it belongs--centuries of suppression and oppression of women in a male-dominated world, in "perumai":
  AyiramAyiram ANdugaLAi idhu
  ANgaLin rAjjiyamA?
  kaNgaLil neerkkudam Endhiya mangaiyar
  kaNdadhu poojjiyamA?
  ....
  Adhi mudhal pala kOdugaL pOttadhu
  Adavar sattamadi!
  
  He recognizes that women are second-class citizens while being firmly optimistic about a change in Mr.
  Bharat:
  peNgaL yArum ingu
  peNgaL illai--avar
  echchil thuppum oru kiNNam
  endRuthAnE un eNNam?
  
  kAlam mARiyadhu kAtchi mARiyadhu
  peNmai ALuvadhu thiNNam
  seedhai sAgavillai innum
  
  His very definition of a "real man" rests on how a man treats a woman in "Manidhan":
  Ezhaip peNNin sElai thottu izhuppavan manidhanA?
  iravil mattum thAli katta ninaippavan manidhanA?
  
  kAdhal endRa pErai solli nadippavan manidhanA?
  kaRpai mattum currency note-il kaRappavan manidhanA?
  
  thanmAnam kAkkavum peNmAnam kAkkavum
  ninaippavan evanadA avanE manidhan
  
  He exhorts women to bring about a revolution to change the rules of the game, and subtly dares to ridicule his own hero Bharadhi's "kummiyadi" verse in "perumai":
  Adhi mudhal pala kOdugaL pOttadhu
  Adavar sattamadi
  kummi adiththoru ammi nagarvadhu
  sAththiyam illaiyadi
  
  kELvigaL kEtpadhu kAla mAtRangaLE!
  pOridum peNgaLE Ettai mAtRungaLE!
  
  He echoes this revolutionary idea in a students' fun song in "kAdhalan":
  puratchigaL Edhum seyyAmal
  peNNukku nanmaigaL Edhum viLayAdhu
  kaNNagi silaithAn inguNdu
  seedhaikku thaniyAi silai Edhu?
  
  He presents the very healthy idea of equality and complementarity between the genders and looks for a new order with the generational change in "paruvarAgam":
  kaNgaL illai endRu sonnAl kAviyam ingu illai
  peNgaL illai endRAl ANgaL ingu illai
  
  Osai illai endRAl bAshaigaL ingu illai
  ANgaL illai endRAl peNgaL ingu illai
  
  samaththuvam peruga iLaignargaL ezhuga
  pazhaiyadhu azhiga pudhu yugam varuga
  poomazhai pozhiga thalaimuRai vaLarattumE
  
  Presenting such progressive and liberated TFM verses with a strong punch to them made me feel very very good.
  
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate7.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Aug 12 15:11:54 EDT 1998
  
  Hey....
  I know the result of this Symposium...
  Finally after all the ten topics you will tell
  KaNNadhasan = VM.
  
  Udhaya idhu sariya???? :):):):).....
  
  

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