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80's Raaja vs Latest Raaja !!

Topic started by Kiran (@ 202.9.67.104) on Wed Feb 6 20:18:36 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Guys,
forget about hits n flops....talking about creativity , do u think 80's raaja is more creative than todays raaja...or its same ...or now with more experience his music is more creative ???
Well I think the complexity and the toughness in composing now increased a lot....Now its more difficult for any other MDs to try such music !! example "Vanathi..." of POONTHOTAM...Starting Piano tune in the song 'MAALA EN...'of Sethu...Etc.!!

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Responses:

• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Wed Feb 6 22:29:12 EST 2002
  
  Forget technicality.
  
  Concentrate on appeal.
  
  80s Ilayaraaja is far better than present day Ilayaraaja. There cannot be a shadow of doubt.
  
  Not to say that he does not score good songs nowadays. It is just that they are too few and far between. And none has the brilliance of the 80s.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.67) on: Wed Feb 6 23:51:15 EST 2002
  
  Kiran,
  Though IR is an ever learning kind of guy, he is more of a `natural' IMHO...hence his age reflects...he must be 59 now...mature / slow / serious & may be a little bit tired with repetitive situations now...(his choice of movies reflect this to some extent -Bharathi, Kutty, Kasi, Azhagi...
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ 156.153.254.41) on: Thu Feb 7 00:42:13 EST 2002
  
  Day by he is more creative and touches the situation in more depth than earlier....
  Examples....Bharathi, Kutty, Kasi, Azhagi...
  
  
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ 128.107.253.44) on: Thu Feb 7 03:19:50 EST 2002
  
  I feel the quality of songs have come down...As eden said, the age reflects in his songs...I don't think he can give us a "madai thirandhu.." today...OTOH, the quality of BG Score keeps improving. I haven't seen any score which comes close to hey ram or Guru in 80s...There were idhayathai thirudAdheys and rAja pArvais but hey ram was class !! Just as i thot, when wud i get a score like hey ram, our man gives us Lajja !!! Awesome score !!!!
  Since u see improvement in BG Score with every new movie, it's evident that there's no lack of creativity...May be his bias against the latest music trend or lack of challenging movies could be the reason for his churning out junk numbers...
  Now don't pounce on me for saying that stmt...The Raja of 80s gave at least 2 good songs in every movie he scored....and that isn't the case now...
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.4.17) on: Thu Feb 7 04:15:45 EST 2002
  
  Shankar, just my thoughts! I wanted to quote the same song,`madai thirandhu' (80) & `vizhiyilE malarndhadhu' (70's) in my post as musical scores personifying youthfulness...definitely `ennai thAlatta varuvAlA' & `kAdhal nee dhAnA' lack that thuLLal...No wonder Raja is recommending his children for movies that call for such numbers...
  
  
• From: Pras (@ 193.56.241.19) on: Thu Feb 7 05:21:38 EST 2002
  
  here we are ! Raaja can only be compared to Raaja !!
  
  I think that his creativity is the same nowadays than in 80's ...
  
  
• From: Pras (@ 193.56.241.19) on: Thu Feb 7 05:22:10 EST 2002
  
  here we are ! Raaja can only be compared to Raaja !!
  
  I think that his creativity is always the same
  
  
• From: Pras (@ 193.56.241.19) on: Thu Feb 7 05:22:43 EST 2002
  
  oops, sorry for the double post ...
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Thu Feb 7 06:28:33 EST 2002
  
  :-) Pras, it is getting to be a habbit of yours to be doubly excited :-)
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Thu Feb 7 06:30:13 EST 2002
  
  Kiran, atlast it took a non-tamilian to post some sensible discussion topic on a newtfmpage...goes to prove music has no barriers :-)..Good topic to talk :-)
  
  
• From: ST (@ 195.217.206.188) on: Thu Feb 7 06:36:27 EST 2002
  
  In the 80's Raja fulfilled what directors and listeners required from him. Over the years that attitude has changed and today he is working in a closed environment by not knowing what others expect from him. Above all majority of his 80's songs were created as a team with the directors and song writers and today he is working in isolation and expecting Directors and listeners to adapt to his music. So the best ways to describe his music from 80's to today is "excellent to crap".
  
  
• From: e (@ 210.214.4.178) on: Thu Feb 7 06:48:35 EST 2002
  
  today he is working in a closed environment by not knowing what others expect
  his 80's songs were created as a team with the directors and song writers and today he is working in isolation
  
  Hello ST, are you working in the film industry? Else, how can you justify the above statements?
  
  
• From: ST (@ 195.217.206.188) on: Thu Feb 7 07:12:35 EST 2002
  
  Hello E
  
  Name me a song which you can attribute to a film or A frontline director who benefited from IR songs today.
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Thu Feb 7 07:51:01 EST 2002
  
  ST, its pathetic that u don't understand how much the film industry adores and respects ilaiyaraaja..u probably just don't any idea at all..they all (including kamal & rajini) see him as a genius and when they want heavy gravity in their music, they know whom to approach
  :-)...they know ilaiyaraaja is no longer interested in "commercial" inclinations...when KAMAL makes heavy weight MARUDHANAYAGAM u know who would be the MD...or if RAJINI makes a movie on THIRUVANNAMALAI u know who would be choosen as the MD...if BHARATHIRAAJA made KALLI KAATU IDHIKAASAM of VAIRAMUTHU he has hinted that IR would be the MD...VIJAY's fav MD is IR, as he has repeated himself in umpteen interviews...Just go across the state border and ask KERALA film world, and they wud say what IR signifies...or go to NORTH, ask the MDs there, one reply from ANUMALIK will suffice :-)...or rather cross the globe and ask ROYAL PHIL orchestra conductor, he wud say how he was dumbfounded by how fast IR created symphonies...It is sad that u have linked "commercial" orientation while describing "IR's music"...pity.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Feb 7 08:04:11 EST 2002
  
  IR's late 70's to early 90's were indeed a treat for the soul, I can come with many songs, but that is quite a difficult task, whether it is patho(Idhaymee Idhyamee) or fast beat (Raja, rajathi rajan intha raja, Izhamai ithu ithu ),or soft romantic melodies (Kadhalin deepam ondru, beautifuly rendered by SPB,vellai poora undru enguthu) IR was the DON, just like how MSV was during the late 50's till late 70's, but since ARR's arrival the trend had changed, the melody style has changed, since then there has been very few worth file melodies like , vidhyasagar's(another very talented md, underatted by TFM) "Malare Mounama", then came ARR's "swaasame swaasame", fine melody from ARR.
  
  IR's latest style of composition has not changed, like "Kasi, (superb songs murderd by Hari, should have naturally gone to SPB), "Azhagi", but the trend has changed, hence TRUE MUSIC LOVERS (like me) still appreciate Raaja's music, but gimmicks do not appreciate IR.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Feb 7 08:06:00 EST 2002
  
  OOps Typing error;
  
  since then there has been very few worth while melodies
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.8) on: Thu Feb 7 08:09:18 EST 2002
  
  :-)DEAR ST,
  
  as an afterthought, i am reminded of something that IR said in an Ananda Vigadan interview recently,"Ilaignargaluuku naan solluvadhu idhudhaan....verum panathukkaaga mattum illamal, isaiyaal enna enna arputhngalai seiyya mudiyum enru oru pattiyal pottu ennidam vaarungal...appodhu ennidam irundhu ethagaiya isai veli varugiradhendru paarungal"...(translation for the sake of KIRAN & PRASHANT, the non tamil DFers..." my message to youth is this...commercial objectives apart, come to me with a list of wonders that can be done with music, and then see what kind of music i deliver"....that shud say you something ST :-)...IR is light years away from the material world that you & me are familiar with :-)
  
  
• From: ST (@ 195.217.206.188) on: Thu Feb 7 08:18:25 EST 2002
  
  twilight_zone, my comments only attributes to this thread. For me end results matter than anything else. If I am not listening to IR songs as I used to in the 80's I must say his performance is bad. If IR is not in commercial world he should not score music for films and concentrate on private albums. All things you mentioned above is not what happened, simply what you prefer it to be. Please don't talk about what others say rather talk about what they do.
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Thu Feb 7 08:43:53 EST 2002
  
  dear ST :-)
  
  <<<>>>
  
  bad logic...so since u r not listening to IR songs presently, how come u say they are not upto 80s standards :-)
  
  <<>>
  
  wrong again...IR has said,"apart from commercial purpose, bring to me some social purpose" and not "bring me only social purpose without any commercial terms whatsoever" :-)
  
  
  
• From: ST (@ 195.217.206.188) on: Thu Feb 7 08:52:44 EST 2002
  
  Dear twilight_zone
  
  Looks like you are in a wrong_Zone. If I don't listen to his current songs how can I compare or comment about it. Can you come up with your good logic?
  
  
• From: Raaja Rasikan (@ 202.9.177.97) on: Thu Feb 7 10:19:39 EST 2002
  
  Dear Folks,
  I dunno whats your yard stick for creativity. But in my Opinion Raaja is same as he was in 1976(Annakili). He himself has said in many interviews that he composes what he gets in his mind. I think during his earlier period he was more like a "Kaataaru" and now i think he has matured music wise as well as age wise so he is doing a lot of filtering work / editing :) and some definement of music. So todays music of Raaja has more quality..but the thullal may not be there....but Iam very sure his music is very matured now....for example listen to his latest classical compositions and his early days compositions......his early day compositions will be very light, while his latest compositions are little heavy. IMHO.
  
  Raaja Rasikan
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.199.209.81) on: Thu Feb 7 10:25:24 EST 2002
  
  definitely ir's cretivity has not gone as bharathy and kutti have proved, but imho, he feels tired. how many times a man can be stimulated by hearing same types of situations for 20 years!
  
  if he goes on like that, only a sense of purposelessness will result. it is better for him to concentrate on films like azhagi and kutti.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: ST (@ 195.217.206.188) on: Thu Feb 7 10:58:09 EST 2002
  
  Dear Folks,
  
  Have you all noticed that when people refers to old IR songs they are very specific by naming the song & film. These days people say, just for the argument sake, "like Kuti & Kasi" without actually mentioning a single song in that films. That explains 80's Raaja vs Latest Raaja !!.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.95.121.98) on: Thu Feb 7 22:59:22 EST 2002
  
  point being?
  
  

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