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Has IR ever been inspired by ARR?

Topic started by a TFM fan (@ 64.20.155.69) on Sat Feb 24 00:29:01 EST 2001.
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Hi Guys,
I was listening songs from Nilave Mugam Kaattu by IR.

Music for the 1st and 2nd stanza of the song "suttraathe boomi thaaye" sounded similar to "enai kaanavilaye" song from Kaathal Thesam.

Personally i like both songs. If there are any such inspirations - let's discuss.

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Responses:

• From: Vijay Venkatram J (@ 203.197.154.71) on: Sat Feb 24 02:29:57 EST 2001
  
  Friend,
  The interludes of "Sutraadhey" may be similar to the interludes of "Pillai Nila" (Neengal Kettavai), ie, a tribal female humming which is due to the similarity in the nativity of the songs! But both tunes belong to IR!
  I am surprised as no such hummimg is seen in "Yennai Kaanavillaye"! May be u r refering to the similarity is rhythm! Even that has the same timing but has different instruments!
  So, I strongly refuse the arguement of yours! What do u say?
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• From: Kans (@ ) on: Sat Apr 26 07:19:37 EDT 2003
  
  Yes, of course.
  Why else would he use Hariharan?
  
  
• From: Snak (@ 66.176.167.250) on: Sat Apr 26 11:02:01 EDT 2003
  
  and ARR used SPB, Chitra, SJ, Yesudas, Jayachandran, Swarnalatha...
  Guess the inspiration thingie was mutual.
  
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.78) on: Sat Apr 26 12:22:26 EDT 2003
  
  read sumtime ago in the COPYING thread that some song of IR was similar to ARRs "kollaiyile" from kaadhalan.....dun remember which1 though...
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Mon Apr 28 00:24:15 EDT 2003
  
  One don't have to read it to know. Listen and it will be known. Going by this, so many little bgm pieces and musical interludes has been 'inspired' from IR.
  
  The chorus part in one of the songs in Kandukonden Kandudonden where GA conducts in the movie is a replica of IR's trademarks. I'm sure there are many more to quote but...oh well.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.148.132) on: Mon Apr 28 00:44:32 EDT 2003
  
  ambleen,
  i just read that piece of info in the copying thread ... i don remember which song was pinpointed(sumthin from SMK i think)....neways don blame me....IR song manasula nikkala! ;)
  
  
• From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232) on: Mon Apr 28 01:33:43 EDT 2003
  
  So??
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.180.210) on: Mon Apr 28 05:33:09 EDT 2003
  
  what so??
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Mon Apr 28 05:45:04 EDT 2003
  
  C~P,
  
  Of coz IR song won't nikkuraan in your manasu. For that you need basic music appreciation.
  
  Do you agree what I mentioned earlier? That ARR had to resort to IR-soundalike chorus in KK. I have noticed he has no other creativity. Back in 1993, when Roja came out I did notice his little chorus bgms sounded too close to The Omen.
  
  You see, for all this you need to listen to music and have basic music appreciation. Only when that happens, music...good music that is, will nikkuraan in your manasu.
  
  Hmmm, is it possible that MSV's songs can make a mark in some one. ARR's songs can make a mark in some one. But when it comes to IR's....hmmm. Go figure!
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 203.124.130.219) on: Mon Apr 28 06:16:20 EDT 2003
  
  CP, with ur sem 2 exams approaching, was the face-off with Ambleen necessary? :) Upto u to say which is the greater terror.
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.60) on: Mon Apr 28 06:36:20 EDT 2003
  
  seringe ambleen saar...
  
  ninge thaane Mozart-oda pakkathe vidde kaaran..
  
  athan ungalukke, ulagathil ulle yellam musicmum teriyuthe..
  
  ninge Padma Shri Ambleen allava.....
  
  IR should be proud to be around in ur era...wow....
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.60) on: Mon Apr 28 06:37:30 EDT 2003
  
  ungale kude vachi oru symphony seiya porangalame?...amava?
  
  (i know....this ambleen will be attacking me back with caste names...what else..this genius knows....duuh)
  
  
• From: Mumbai Ramki (@ 203.197.24.195) on: Mon Apr 28 06:39:32 EDT 2003
  
  I cannot say if IR was ever inspired by ARR ,but few songs had such flavour of ARR and some songs YSR ( ??) ...
  
  1.Mannu Koduthu Parthen from some karthik ,Suganya ( was it Seeman ??Released in 1994??) ..The beats had shades of the song "Bhakti Paadal Paadatuma from Pudhiya Mugam "
  
  2."Yenge Yen Kadhali " from Devathai .I love this song ...It had shades of YSR or KR song ..Infact it was sung by KR ...
  
  3.Munnal Seidha Thavam ( some Keyar directed movie ..) ..The beats had fade shades of Urvasi Urvasi song ..( i donno how many will accept this !!!)..But no way i can accept this is as an inspiration ...!!!!
  
  
  
  I don't think one can find many songs ..the sytles are very very different ..
  
  May the topic would have been more meaningfull if it was YSR instead of IR ......
  
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.148.227) on: Mon Apr 28 07:11:04 EDT 2003
  
  Prabhu,
  avar joke-a joke-a eduthupparnu nenachathu en thapputhaan....enakku venum....enakku venum! :) ... smiley ellam vera poattaen! :)
  
  ambleen,
  wokay wokay....MSV music bad....ARR music bad.....IR music only good.....coz that alone not "nikkuran" in my manasu....and coz i deliberatley appreciate bad music!
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 68.158.69.27) on: Mon Apr 28 07:31:50 EDT 2003
  
  C~P - "kollaiyile" - is similar to a BGM piece from 16 vAyathinilAe.... if u had seen the movie, the one where Chappani imagines that mayilu will put him rasaam - the scene b4 that had an wonderful BGM..... "kollaiyile" is somewhat similar to that......
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 61.8.210.74) on: Tue Apr 29 02:43:40 EDT 2003
  
  farni...
  
  ppl 'retort' to writing garbage even when you put facts in front of them.
  
  haha...guess its a good way to escape.
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 217.44.89.218) on: Tue Apr 29 03:15:37 EDT 2003
  
  It's like sayin has Madonna ever been inspired by Kelly Osbourne.
  
  Get over it.
  
  ARR is the only one who's inspired from everybody.
  
  
• From: SHYSUN (@ 61.11.80.195) on: Tue Apr 29 03:49:37 EDT 2003
  
  ARR IS AN ARRANGER,IR IS A MUSIC COMPOSER,GOT IT .
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.181.241) on: Tue Apr 29 05:59:16 EDT 2003
  
  sabs,
  i havent listened to that bit though i have watched the film....could u gimme a link to listen to it online,if possible? ... thnx
  
  ambleen,
  according to u joke=garbage? ... or did u mean somebody else?
  
  
• From: Bored (@ 195.188.191.86) on: Tue Apr 29 06:34:49 EDT 2003
  
  Mr. High-tech suvarotti Vijay Venkataraman, stop irritating us all with your traditional sign-off line.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 68.19.8.171) on: Tue Apr 29 06:36:48 EDT 2003
  
  C~P, I don't have a link..... i have the RA version of that one in my CD somewhere..... i shall copy it someplace and let u know....
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 203.124.130.219) on: Tue Apr 29 08:44:06 EDT 2003
  
  16 y/o CP, u havent seen 16 Vayathinile??
  Bored, that post was made in over 800 days ago :)
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.148.30) on: Tue Apr 29 10:37:23 EDT 2003
  
  sabs,
  thnx
  
  Prabhu,
  pasi mayakkathula (patni-a!) msgs padicha ippadithaan.....read my msg properly! :) ... appadiyum puriyala-na chap-nu araivaen! :)
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 68.158.5.233) on: Sat May 3 09:10:28 EDT 2003
  
  C~P - here is the link for that piece i told you...
  
  http://www.geocities.com/nasebas/16Vayadhinile_BGM7.rm
  
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.153) on: Sat May 3 12:37:49 EDT 2003
  
  nasebas,
  it sez the page is currently not available :( .... ne problems??
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 68.158.5.233) on: Sat May 3 13:53:04 EDT 2003
  
  C~P - don't try to access thro the link i gave.... try to do a "Start->Run" and give the link in that, it will open the RM file for u.... if not, send me ur e-mail id to "nasebas@yahoo.com", i will send u that rm file directly....
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 68.19.15.138) on: Sat May 3 17:44:36 EDT 2003
  
  also, on a sidenote - this BGM - there is an exact piece - a ditto of the BGM - sung by IR in one of his earlier movies - the song was "Veetukorrru maganaaa pollaa"....
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 165.121.130.167) on: Sun May 4 09:18:49 EDT 2003
  
  One may accuse IR of several things, but imitation is probably not one. It is amazing how the maestro came up with tune after tune in swift succession for so many years. Indeed, no one can be at the top indefinitely and a time had to come when peoples' taste would be inevitably cloyed with a surfeit of IR songs. Tunes of the type "Maayandi, vEttiya kattungada" (in Yejamaan) probably didn't help IR's cause either, so much so that peoples' fascination with ARR type songs continued in the mid-nineties. Having said all the above here is the shocking aspect: I was listening to "Raja kayya vechcha adhu raanga ponadhilE" from aboorva sagodharagal (I think) on Sun TV yesterday. I realized that ARR's ottagatho kattikko song reminded of a brief interlude that occurs before the second paragraph of this IR song. Does anyone else think like that? I am sure Aboorva Sagodharagal was released much before ARR's entry into TFM. I am willing to believe though that it was all just a coincidence and ARR's tune was really an independent effort.
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Mon May 5 15:04:39 EDT 2003
  
  Music4ever,
  
  I don't know about that song. But I can tell several songs, I felt that way.
  
  Thiruda Thiruda - Kannum Kannum kollaiyadithaal starting music is a lift from some holywood music. The source is not known because, I saw this was coming in older holywood movies?(not one). But song tune is different.
  
  In the same song one of the interlude is the same as in Ponn Maane (Oru kaidiyin dairy).
  
  As far as ARR goes, he will take some building blocks from here and there. But he will finally lays his original ideas and techno stuff over that to hit the song. This is my opinion. I know several other incidents also where I could see such resemblances.
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Mon May 5 15:08:22 EDT 2003
  
  Music4ever,
  
  In the same ottagathe kattiko, starting music has striking resemblance with 'Saravan poigayil Neeradi'. Then again the tune is original.
  
  In same Gentle Man, En veetu thotathil poovellam ketu paar is from Carnatic song, Nadha vindhu kalachi Namo Namo.(This I would say almost copy). We use to sing this song in music class and that's how I know this.
  
  But I don't know how magazines left this. The same time Deva was ripped apart from making Kandha sasti kavacham in to love in Suriyan!!
  
  
• From: pennathur (@ 12.46.179.254) on: Mon May 5 17:51:07 EDT 2003
  
  The En Veettu Thottathil is an intentional rip-off to go with the "chichueshun" - an iyer appalam business and lots of mamas and mamis dancing it out! It was a pretty good knock off and played out right! As for ripping into ARR one can do that to their heart's content anywhere or simply not buy his music! It's a pity the podu jana public don't care!
  
  

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