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Ilayaraja's comments in Kumudam

Topic started by Karthik (@ 164.164.128.13) on Thu Feb 8 07:26:45 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

IR has, in an interview in the latest Kumudam (also covered in the front page with his snap), said that 'He has wasted 25 years of his life in film music'.

I dont know how others look at it, but I see it as a very harsh statement of total disloyalty. Its tamil film music that has given IR all the attention and praise he is receiving now. If he's a genius in composing WC, that, in any way doesnt affect anybody in TN. What affects the common man in TN is how good IR has composed in his tamil films.

IMHO, it was a statement totally unwarranted and shows utter disrespect on IR's part towards his craft.

Karthik

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Responses:

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• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Tue Feb 13 11:00:40 EST 2001
  
  Mr. Travis:
  
  Nobody did injustice to ARR. Nobody forgets ARR. You feel good about ARR's music. Have it that way. It's so simple.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Tue Feb 13 11:13:06 EST 2001
  
  IMO, IR has used a wrong analogy in explaining his contributions to TFM so far. It is NOT oorugaai and appaLam. He was continuously delivering us a feast...from paruppu to paayasam, from soup to nuts. However, let me ask this simple question. How many of us can continuosly eat "big dinners" every time. Soon, one starts hankering for the simple vaththakkozhambu, chutta appaLaam, thaiyir saadham, and oorugaai. That simple meal (as an alternative) is what is in demand now. It is NOT that Raja cannot prepare and offer this meal. But his reputation precedes him and the public is NOT prepared to accept either his feasts or his simple meals.
  
  Marketing Tip- IR needs to use the RD Burman case study. RDB did not have any hits (in fact, no films) for a long time. Then he came with 1942 Love story and there was a major hoopla around it. People (and many of them musical ignoramus) searched and discovered 'fantastic features' in 1942 LS that till today, I have not been able to decipher. It was an ordinary, run of the mill album but the public gave all the accolades merely because of 'reputation'. True, RDB's death helped too but that is besides the point. If IR wants to have another massive hit, he just needs to make himself rare, a mere rumor. Let him lie low for some time, and he will come back with a bang--Guaranteed. The irony is, it need not even be one of his better efforts in terms of music. Right now, general public kku IR Oda music a vida avr pEr romba thigattinaa maadhiri irukku. He just needs to be part of nostaligia for sometime.
  
  All IR needs is a good market strategist.
  
  
• From: travis (@ 194.85.200.36) on: Tue Feb 13 11:29:40 EST 2001
  
  coming back to the age-old question of what raja has offered... This mesg of mine is dirty and i apologize in adavnce... tell me... raaja would have done what, 5000 songs? out of which how much do u like? everybody, please reflect a moment... even deva has done(not a proper comparison but just for the stas) what 1000 songs? Even though it is deva, you can still listen to at least a hundred of his songs? the same applies to raja... of his 5000, due to the fact he was extremely talented, maybe you will pick 3000 songs ranging from unbelievable to medium? the rest is trash. It is not as some try to wrongly project if raja was giving all dinners... He has his own share of follies.
  
  anybody cares to disagree?... And so did MSV and KVM and everyone in the grind... In fact MSV has done probably a lot, if not as many, innovations and new stuff... to TFM. that are still not tried out by others... so innovations are not unique and not family-property of raja and his clan. Rahman has been doing his own share with new instruments and arrangements. And I denounce that he is not for melody, as mentioned everywhere but not here, and that he is computer-whizz kid. You have to know what to put in a compi to get what u want, right? At least my computer doesnt do things, if not compose KKKK, by itself.
  
  I wished to clear this bad conception over rahman .
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Tue Feb 13 11:55:01 EST 2001
  
  Travis:
  
  Since you are in the mood to clear misconceptions let me add a few here
  
  1. No genuine music fan will question the talents of MSV, IR, and ARR. It is not if they were actually giving dinners, it is just the perception at the time of 'serving the food'.
  
  2. Travis- If you wish to make a point to argue with reason-minded people, go ahead and compare IR with MSV or ARR. You are not the first one to do so, nor will you be the last. But for Petes's sake (BTW, who the heck is this Pete anyway?:-)) DO NOT compare IR (and his achievements) with Deva or SAR. It is unjust to IR, and more important, puts any reputation as a TFM fan on the line.
  
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.237) on: Tue Feb 13 11:58:49 EST 2001
  
  travis:
  Your 'decent' MSV had a mouthful to say about ARR when he first came on the scene - you probably just don't remember. It may be unfathomable to you, but some people (myself foremost among them) simply don't like ARR's music. We don't find it attractive or entertaining or mesmerizing or whatever...If you can't live with that fact, it's your problem.
  
  rajaG:
  I am doubtful that this is a recent speech of IR. I very distinctly remember the 'oorgai/appalam' analogy from some time back, unless he is repeating himself. I'd rather IR retire than make a 'comeback' like RDB.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.208) on: Tue Feb 13 12:05:48 EST 2001
  
  Srinath: appO adhu oosippOna oorugaai and namuththuppOna allaLam:-)
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.232) on: Tue Feb 13 12:09:38 EST 2001
  
  rajaG, IR ennikko kuduthadha inniku varaikkum vachchindu 'unwarranted', 'utter', 'butter' elaam sonna oorgai oosiponathukkum, appalam namuththu ponathukkum IR-a karanam ? :-)
  
  
• From: travis (@ 194.85.200.36) on: Tue Feb 13 12:18:45 EST 2001
  
  Oh really! if I have to live with people abusing arr, then why cant these same people listen and live with it, when people talk abt IR..This hypocrisy dumbfounds me...why do they have to bang heads-up? To you he may be God, but to me he is another genius but not the only one. As people who followed this thread would have realized that am not anti-IR... Its just that I feel great injustice is done to arr as he is being whisked off by snobs as another-who-ran. My comparison of IR and Deva was abstract as u may seen from my mesg. Insulting raja, is not my agenda, so plz understand this... What is seen in my last mesgs is just my way of venting out my anguish(!) that when ir has so many flaws, its improper to talk ill about arr. After all, there are three sides to every story, right? yours, mine and the right one.... :)
  
  maybe its time we should leave this matter.
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Tue Feb 13 12:20:28 EST 2001
  
  Right now, general public kku IR Oda music a vida avr pEr romba thigattinaa maadhiri irukku.
  
  rAjAjI: you got it right.
  
  
• From: Humility, Thy's name is rajaG (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Tue Feb 13 12:27:07 EST 2001
  
  aruL: naanEy sollikkakkoodaadhu. kadandha 2 varushamaa newtfmpage la naa pala 'ponmozhi' gaLa udhiththirukkEn. idhellaam yaaravadhu (admin-hint! hint!) collect paNNinaalEy, "Thus spake RajaG" nu oru chinna booklet pOttu, Railway platform la Higgins Botham la vikkalaam. Anyway, naa idhu varaiyil udhiththadhellaam verum oorugaaiyum appaLamum thaan. innum full virundhu kku kaaththirukkavum:-) :-)
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.231) on: Tue Feb 13 12:37:47 EST 2001
  
  travis:
  Are you suggesting that you will respect IR if I respect ARR ?!!! Whether or not you like IR's music is totally up to you. I don't like ARR's music. Period.
  
  "...that when ir has so many flaws, its improper to talk ill about arr..."
  
  ?!!!!
  
  
• From: travis (@ 194.85.200.36) on: Tue Feb 13 12:47:20 EST 2001
  
  
  
  The mesg is not directed against anyone other than fanatics of ir
  ok... this is it.... I respect IR becoz I am sane enough to know that in any discussion, as long as we dont respect others'views, there is no point in whatever we are doing... Its my humble view a lot of ir fans are indeed fanatics who think of little else.... It may be your personal opinion that arr is crap but u dont have to post it on a public forum....where people can have different feelings... Thats it.. May I also add, these fanatics are not even courteous to respect or even pay attention, let alone agree, to what I am saying... They are like hordes of sheep with fixed mind-set, who just dont want change, which I think I have wasted my time in discussing this matter with a lot like you. (and dear ir fans, if u can forgive ir for saying he wasted his time in tfm, then i am sure with your generous hearts you would forgive me also... thanks!)
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.238) on: Tue Feb 13 12:58:27 EST 2001
  
  travis, your post is full of contradictions...if you are so hung-up about respect, just respect the fact that some people don't like ARR's music and leave it at that. Calling others sheep, fanatics etc., and declaring that they have a herd mentality and can think of little else is surely not the way to earn yourself any respect !!!
  
  
• From: travis (@ 194.85.200.36) on: Tue Feb 13 13:04:12 EST 2001
  
  do u think i really care to earn respect from sheep? no thanks... I am writing this only becoz I am furious that i have repeatedly been patient and responsible in my earlier postings... But when u deal with sheep, u know what... sheep want sheep-language... And if any of u jump into conclusions about my soul strength, my upbringing and class, I am sorry the last thing i need is complement from fanatics ... i would rather be insulted by someone...
  
  
  again, this only for fanatics who cant stand a single criticism on ir.
  
  I am not in a mood anymore to continue with this... Thank You.... You acn post as u like... I wont be replying... unless of course, there is too much sheep language or is it cheaply directed against me.
  
  
• From: kooththan (@ 198.73.152.100) on: Tue Feb 13 13:09:15 EST 2001
  
  Here we go around the mulberry bush.....
  
  Travis,
  
  If all you wanted to do was start another ARR vs IR argument, why did you come to this thread? You could have chosen so many other threads.
  
  >Bharati was different, why so? bcoz the >situation was different... do u think arr could >nt have done it? misconceptions that arr is fit >for only urban-educated life is absurd... his >works in karuthamma, kizhakku cheemaiyilae and >taj mahal...are ample examples....
  
  Bharathi was different because of the situation eh?
  
  How about Hey Ram? Why was that different? Is that situation too? Or was it that they used a different studio to record?
  
  Karuththamma had a song inspired by Boney-M (Night Flight to Venus became then maetku paruva kaatru)
  
  ithu unkalukku gramiyamaa theriyutho?
  
  neenga entha gramam saar?
  
  ....later
  
  
  
• From: sas3 (@ 162.130.1.69) on: Tue Feb 13 13:26:42 EST 2001
  
  Travis:
  
  a lot of ir fans are indeed fanatics who think of little else....
  
  This is a very strong comment. Please be ready for further discussion on this point since you are calling a lot of IR fans as fanatics.
  
  
  It may be your personal opinion that arr is crap but u dont have to post it on a public forum....where people can have different feelings...
  
  Well, when you call this a 'PUBLIC' forum, IMO, every one including you has a right to voice their opinion. We are not concerned whether it is pro/anti IR/ARR/MSV or any other MD for that matter.
  
  May I also add, these fanatics are not even courteous to respect or even pay attention, let alone agree, to what I am saying... They are like hordes of sheep with fixed mind-set, who just dont want change, which I think I have wasted my time in discussing this matter with a lot like you.
  
  IMHO, this is totally uncalled for
  
  
  
  

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