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Vidhyasagar: Making Quiet Waves

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Tue Sep 15 17:30:29 EDT 1998.
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In the crowded bazaar of TFM MDs, I feel Vidhyasagar has carved out a unique style for himself. Starting from Nila Pennae, he has quietly contributed a steady flow of melodies.

His "Malarae Mounamaa" a haunting melody by SPB and SJ brought him some much deserved praise. SPB sings it in every one of his concerts. I would like to know more about his other efforts besides the two or the big hits like Priyam or Karna.

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Responses:

• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Sep 15 17:49:05 EDT 1998
  
  My latest craze in TFM is the duet "Nee Kaattru Naan Maram" by Hariharan and Sujatha(?)from Nilavae Vaa. Vidhyasagar employs great combinations of violins, veenai, and synth drums. I feel Vidhyasagar uses Hariharan's fluid vocals the best in TFM (of course HH's mazhalai pronunciation grates on me, but I'm learning to cope).
  
  Vairamuthu and Hariharan seem to come unleashed for Vidhyasagar's tunes. I'm waiting for all future collaborations of these three.
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ elroy.cs.wisc.edu) on: Tue Sep 15 19:25:49 EDT 1998
  
  Vidyasagr has given some melodious numbers in Telugu, including some recent film starring Vinith and one of the n daughters of Vijay Kumar and Manjula, I think the film was "Rukmini".
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ cs101.cs.wmich.edu) on: Tue Sep 15 20:28:38 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya some of his other other goodies are:(the female singer in 'nee kaatru'is chitra-vairamuthu anubavithu ezhudhiikkira paadal-look at the lyrics in the lyrics thread)
  
  
  boomiye boomiye poomazhai naan thoovavaa - spb,sj-fantastic piece with great interludes
  uchhi mudhal paadham varai-Hariharan,Mithali
  paadu paadu bharadha panpaadu-chitra,Anuradha Sriram-all 3 from sengottai
  mugam enne mogam enne-SPB,SJ-I forgot the name of the film but it had Arjun and REvathi
  oru thedhi partha thendral veesum-Hariharan,Sadhana Sargam-Coimbatore mappillai
  poothirukkum manamae manamae -Hariharan,Umaramanan-Pudhaiyal
  vaarai en thozhiye-arasiyal
  aanandham aanandham aanandham vandhadhu-murai maaman-Unnik,Sujatha
  adi aathi pattampoochi parakkudho-Jc,SUjatha
  thammarai poovukkum thannikkum ennaikkum-krishnachander,Sujatha
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Sep 15 22:05:14 EDT 1998
  
  Ramki,
  "mugam enna mogam enna" is from Subhash. (Don't you remember "yeh.. chalomaa chalo.." :)
  
  I agree "nee kaatru naan maram" has excellent lyrics, but the song borders on a poem recital (ghazal?).
  
  BTW there is one more song in Murai maaman "poove poove", I think based on Hamir Kalyani.
  
  
• From: yvs mani (@ hub.nic.in) on: Wed Sep 16 00:23:30 EDT 1998
  
  I think "Jaihind " is by Vidya sagar.The songs which I could remember is "Kanna en selaikulla","Bothai eri pochu", "Mutham thara etra edam".
  Another recent film is "Thaiyin Manikodi"
  
  
• From: Aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-77-80.sprint.ca) on: Wed Sep 16 00:56:34 EDT 1998
  
  Nee Kaatru Naan Maaram is Hariharan and Chitra.
  
  
• From: suresh (@ bluebird.qut.edu.au) on: Wed Sep 16 02:12:54 EDT 1998
  
  U can add these numbers to his best-list
  1 thamara poovukkum - BR's "Pasumpon"
  2 vasagi - "Arasiyal"
  
  Couple of very good numbers in a yet-to-be released Ajith movie "Uyire Unakkaga" - incl. "poovukkellam"; good examples again, of VS-VM-HH combo. I agree with Udhaya that HH's pronounciation grates one's nerves; in fact, the more I listen to him, the more negatively I start rating his singing. the best recent example of this is "vanathu tharagaiyo" in IR's Poonthottam, which really forces u to wish SPB had sung that song.. i think we're suffering from a HH overdose.
  
  Vidyasagar seems to be a very good composer of melody with a keen sense of improvisation and use of technology; someway in the middle ground between IR and ARR. He still needs that cutting-edge, maybe a few blockbusters, to move into the top layer of MDs.
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Sep 16 08:54:45 EDT 1998
  
  aanandam aanandam from murai maaman has terrific violin interludes and beautiful drum pieces.
  
  
• From: Mano (@ ecarh29c.nortel.ca) on: Wed Sep 16 09:00:24 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya:
  I don't understand what is 'excellent' means in 'nee kaatru Naan Maram..'. IMO, Lyrics is excellent, if it is simple and sweet. If you take, the above song, I don't under what VM tries to portray:
  
  Nee Iravu Naan Vin Meen, Nee Irukum Varai Naan Irupen.. Well, Stars (Vin Meen) alwas be there regardless of day or night. So, whatever VM tries to say isn't making sense at all. Take the song 'Vaanam Paadiyin Vazhvize..' from 'Unnidathil ennai Koduthen'
  Vaanam Paadiyin Vazhvize Sooryothayam
  Vanna Pooguil Paadinaal Santhiroyothayam
  Oru Silaiyin Kaathil Naan Paada.
  Athuvum Ezhunthu Than Aada
  Oru Sediyin Kaathil Naan Paada
  Roja Pookal Than Aada
  Oru Vaanavil Vanthathu, Vasanthamum Vanthathu..
  I think this is very simple and sweet.
  
  BTW, I think 'Nee Kaatru.." is a repetition of 'Malarey Mounama..' from 'Karna'. The latter song is much better than the above one.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Sep 16 15:22:07 EDT 1998
  
  Mano, There's an old song, "Maadhavi pon mayilaaL thoagai viriththaaL", in reality pen mayilukku thoagai kidayaathaam, so one can't get too literal with song lyrics.
  Since stars aren't quite visible in daylight, VM's sentiment isn't outrageous. I kind of dig the song. Both, "Nee Kaattru", and "Malarey Mounamaa" owe their origin in ragam or tune to the old MSV classic, "Muththukkaloa Kangal". But there is enough variation between the new ones and the old one for me to enjoy all three individually. I appreciate your discriminating ear though.
  
  
• From: raja m (@ spider-ta054.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Sep 18 23:30:56 EDT 1998
  
  Mano I liked the bhangra style song from Jai Hind, catchy tune , you mentioned the words of this song, not able to recollect the words.
  
  Malara Mounamo from Karna is a good tune. Udhaya, I too thought it sounded like Muthukkal Kangal from Nenjirukkum varai (what a song), Geetha clarified it is a different ragam. BTW what happened to Arjun?
  
  
• From: Mano (@ by1.genie.uottawa.ca) on: Sat Sep 19 20:55:01 EDT 1998
  
  raja:
  The song is
  Mutham Thara Eetha Idam Mukathila Entha Idam
  Sollai PenPoove
  
  
  
• From: Mano (@ by1.genie.uottawa.ca) on: Sat Sep 19 20:58:06 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya:
  I agree that you can't too literal with lyrics. But isn't that boring when you listen many times. What is VM trying to say can be explained in very simple and sweet words. If you say that the lyrics is good in 'Nee Kaatru..' There are tones of songs which came few years back. So where you place 'Ithu Oru Pon..' (Nizhalkal) this song?
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.23.148) on: Sun Sep 20 19:20:01 EDT 1998
  
  guys, back fron india after a short stay. vidyasagar's 'nee kaatru' is in the top 3 of most
  channels. i agree that vidyasagar has a special style and i admire him for not being like deva, sirpi etc. recycling and copying. he seems to be a fiiting competitor to ARR who seems to be fading,
  
  vaa sagi from arasiyal is a terrific number where
  rock guitars have been successfully fused with a carnatic based song (raga abhogi).
  
  poothirukkum maname is refreshing.
  
  none of deva's numbers have been as much refreshing as the above song.
  
  meanwhile deva is continuing his copying skills.
  as srikanth once mentioned, 'multiple inheritance' has been employed by deva in priyamudan in which he has copied from
  gupt,titanic etc.
  vijay
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Sep 21 15:45:55 EDT 1998
  
  So where do you place 'Ithu Oru Pon..'
  (Nizhalkal) compared to this song?
  
  Adhu Thoappu
  idhu maram
  Adhu thoattam
  idhu chedi
  Adhu maalai
  idhu malar
  
  
• From: Mano (@ ws10.genie.uottawa.ca) on: Mon Sep 21 19:30:04 EDT 1998
  
  Mmmm....
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.127.38) on: Tue Sep 22 07:46:30 EDT 1998
  
  In the song "Vaarayen Thozhi" (Film: Arasiyal) Vidya Sagar has used Hindustani singer Shubha Mudgal's vocals very effectively. She has a resonating throaty voice (and she fumbles with Tamil words, which is pardonable) but her interludes do elevate the song to great heights.
  This goes on to show that VS is really trying to do something "different" (a fancy phrase every other new comer uses in his first interview to Kumudam!)quietly.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-83-75.sprint.ca) on: Wed Sep 23 00:34:15 EDT 1998
  
  I would say that varayan tholi was an influence of Rahman's Kannalanae in Bombay. Didn't hear many hindustani based tamil songs before that.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-83-75.sprint.ca) on: Wed Sep 23 00:34:24 EDT 1998
  
  I would say that varayan tholi was an influence of Rahman's Kannalanae in Bombay. Didn't hear many hindustani based tamil songs before that.
  
  
• From: L.karnan (@ scctn03.sp.edu.sg) on: Thu Sep 24 02:38:42 EDT 1998
  
  Check out 'Uirodu Uriaga',starring Ajit Kumar and new face Ritcha.VS is MD for this,terific songs.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu Sep 24 06:51:29 EDT 1998
  
  Vijay: Vaa Sakhi from Arasiyal(An excellent song, as you say) is in the Ragam SRIRANJANI, Not Aboghi. Sriranjani and Aboghi are Janyas of Karaharapriya, Sriranjani being Karaharapriya ommitting the Panchamam(SRGMDNS SNDMGRS - Used in the song Nadham Ennum Kovilile)) and Aboghi being Sriranjani without the Nishadham(SRGMDS SDMGRS - Used in the Song Thangaradham Vandhathu).
  
  I too am very impressed by Vidhyasaagar's good work. Again, I'd like Mano to discuss the Mutthukalo Kanngal(Brindavana Saaranga) connection with Malare Mounama/Nee kaatru(Dharbari Kaanada).
  
  I feel that Vidhyasaagar has done a great job in Priyam, especially the Keeravani number - Adaam Evaal, the Keeravani in Uyirodu Uyiraaga, Anbe Anbe is also great. Also, he's used Kaafi Raagam exceptionally well in Boomiye from Karna. IMHO, his fusion of Western instruments with Carnatic Raga and melody is excellent. He's definitely showing a lot of potential and needs some big projects like Nilave Vaa to show off his tremendous potential.
  
  
• From: Viswa (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Sep 24 07:25:13 EDT 1998
  
  Ramki,
  adi aathi pattampoochi parakkudho , and the music for Coimbatore Mapillai are both by Adithyan, and NOT Vidyasagar.
  
  
• From: Viswa (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Sep 24 07:26:58 EDT 1998
  
  I have a feeling that the music for Arasiyal is also by Adithyan. It is an R. K. Selvamani film, and Adithyan worked for his earlier offering (Asuran).
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Sep 24 08:33:36 EDT 1998
  
  viswa,
  coimbatore mappillai is by vidyasagar and "adi aathi nenjil pattampoochi parakkutho" is from pasum pon (thAmara poovukkum thannikkum) and the MD is VS.
  
  

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