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AR Rahman's Best Engineered Songs

Topic started by BeN (@ 52.128.30.27) on Tue Sep 16 02:45:54 EDT 2003.
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Hi all,

Just thought of bringing up this topic. ARR is also best known for his sound engineering capabilities.

A few movies like Thirudha Thirudha (1993) and Kadhal Desam (1996) comes to my mind instantly, as he has given the best engineered sound ahead of that time..the sound is so refreshing..even if you hear the songs now..you will feel as though you are listening to songs composed recently..

Please do provide your feedback on this..

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Responses:

• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Tue Sep 16 02:53:25 EDT 2003
  
  "even if you hear the songs now..you will feel as though you are listening to songs composed recently"
  
  shud be rephrased as
  "even if you hear the songs now..you will feel as though you are listening to recent songs"
  
  coz of excessive repetition..hehe
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 203.200.33.65) on: Tue Sep 16 05:34:05 EDT 2003
  
  LLD, A good one. Why don't u visit SOTD thread and provide us the much needed humour there.
  
  
• From: BeN (@ 52.128.30.27) on: Tue Sep 16 06:23:11 EDT 2003
  
  Hi Lord LabakuDas & Mythila,
  
  Well..i've posted on ARR's best engineered songs.
  here i expected some response on related to the topic....
  
  but here again.. you people starting to ruin this thread..i just feel dissapointed with you people..
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Tue Sep 16 07:16:45 EDT 2003
  
  Sorry BeN for the earlier digression...I consider the following songs of ARR as the Best Engineered.
  I am classifying Engineering into different sections..Please let me know if i have missed some engineering sections..
  civil - en 'veettu' thottathil,veerapaandi 'kotai'yiley,putham pudhu 'boomi'
  chemical - 'uppu' karuvadu,'mercury' pookal,'Velli' malarey
  biomedical - uyirey uyirey, uyirum nee,'kai' thatti thatti
  fashion tech - kanukku 'mai',nee kattum 'selai'
  electrical - 'minsara' kanna,'minnaley' nee
  electronics - 'telephone' manipol,
  mechanical - thirupaachi 'aruva'la,
  botanical - kathirikka kathirikka,strawberry kanney,'ullundhu' vethakayiley
  
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Sep 16 07:39:50 EDT 2003
  
  LLD, ROTFL :)
  margazhi poove also Botanical.
  Zoological - Ottagatha kattigo
  Chikkubukku*2 railu is also mechanical.
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Tue Sep 16 07:44:19 EDT 2003
  
  cool..i forgot namakku ellam boova podum Comp Sc engineering..ethavadhu song irukka?BeN wud be happy..athukku thaan..:-)
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 203.200.33.65) on: Tue Sep 16 08:05:17 EDT 2003
  
  LLD, sathama sirikka bayama irukku. BeN kal eduthu adipparo?
  Comp sci? Oh maria emailil Pink slip thariya??
  Nearest, I could think of. Then some song where there's some stupid comparison between linux and windows,songs with 'BillGates '.
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Tue Sep 16 08:10:50 EDT 2003
  
  Mythila,
  I hav sent u a mail.Pls check.
  
  
• From: Mythila (@ 203.200.33.65) on: Tue Sep 16 08:39:56 EDT 2003
  
  Emailil PinkSlip/Bug list yellam thaan varum. LLD, emailil unga agmark raga jokes vandha sandhosham thaan.BTW, Engineering whizkid BeN InterContinental Ballistic missile (kallai vida idhu romba bandha stuff thaane) thooki poda porar.
  Sep 15th BeN birthdayya?
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Sep 16 08:46:17 EDT 2003
  
  ada paaveengala....engineering degree padikara kaalathla lecture gavanikaama nalla OP adicheenga enbadharku intha engineering thread thaan proof-ah? :)
  
  
• From: Lord LabakuDas (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Tue Sep 16 09:10:58 EDT 2003
  
  This thread is dedicated to BeN. Please pour in all the engineering sections and the corresponding ARR songs. Namma BeN'ukaga ithu kuda seyyalenna eppidi?
  Lemme add one more
  Gentic - ethukku pondattti enna suthi,aayirathil naan oruvan
  help me for Textile and mining
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Sep 16 09:42:25 EDT 2003
  
  Mining - .....Manithan meethu mannukkaasai
  Aerospace - Nila kaigirathu, Chandiranai thottadhu yaar
  
  
• From: . (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Tue Sep 16 09:46:12 EDT 2003
  
  'Thanga' tamarai magale is best e.g for mining :)
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Tue Sep 16 09:55:28 EDT 2003
  
  Textile: nee kattum selai
  
  
• From: LOL (@ 161.114.1.186) on: Tue Sep 16 10:30:33 EDT 2003
  
  When LLD receives the pink slip, "Kayil mithakum kanava nee"
  
  - Vijay
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 203.197.136.39) on: Tue Sep 16 12:23:47 EDT 2003
  
  LLD ' computer science - oh maria 'email'lil love letter thariyaaaaaaa.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.180.254) on: Tue Sep 16 13:08:36 EDT 2003
  
  LLD,
  ROTFL :) .... paavam BeN...avar inimey thread-ey aaramikka maattar! ... u have made everybody who posted after u continue in the same line...very funny! :-))
  
  btw....
  IT-ku enna? ... "Kaathal Virus" ?? :)
  
  intha rate-la pona i guess Anna Univ will revise the syllabus for us guys! :)
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Sep 16 13:47:36 EDT 2003
  
  Ben oru civil guy-a irundha nijamaave santhosha paduvaar..abt this thread becoming a 'kutty sevvuru' :)
  
  Ben, this is for you..
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/29993.17.10.38.html
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/3606.01.28.54.html
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.222) on: Tue Sep 16 15:32:30 EDT 2003
  
  i feel sorry for u BEN just like i feel sorry for ARR.... look at how this kattu mirandi IR fans spoil such a unique thread for ARR fans just like they make fun of ARR's music......how long it will take me to spoil each and every IR thread?????? y dunt IR fans stop having "Vaithuarichal" over ARR and his fans's threads...... are u all engg. studs?????? shame on u fools........
  
  BEN for me BOYS was the best engineered Indian album in the last 5 yrs.....
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Sep 16 16:36:37 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy, why the heck do you wanna politicise this harmless thing as an ARR-IR plot? Just go into http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/forum_old.html, you will find 100s of threads related to sound engineering threads, so much so your head will rotate with a uniform angular velocity of 90 rpm!
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 206.97.63.112) on: Tue Sep 16 17:51:04 EDT 2003
  
  Prabhu: Are you sure you are a TFM fan? Why didn't select 33,45 or 78 rpm?
  
  
• From: Aswathama (@ 68.58.124.250) on: Tue Sep 16 18:01:36 EDT 2003
  
  military engineering "Boom Boom" (as in shooting and bombing)song from Boys
  
  Just for fun guys :)
  
  
• From: kumar (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Tue Sep 16 18:14:43 EDT 2003
  
  Prabhu if you are an engineer you should have known that angular velocity is not measured in rpm. Go find out what is the unit.
  
  Engineers please dont use techie terms to show supremacy confuse people. BTW I am an engineer too.
  
  
• From: Prabhu (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Tue Sep 16 18:30:52 EDT 2003
  
  kumar, i dont think anyone had absolutely any intent to "show supremacy". As it u.a.w is not engg stuff, it's XI physics!
  we were talking as spin 'doctors', not engineers ;-)
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 202.9.149.46) on: Wed Sep 17 12:00:56 EDT 2003
  
  kumar,
  i am an half engineer! ... u seem to shake up my fundamentals!! :)
  angular velocity can be expressed in rpm or rad/s...rite?
  SI units kandu pudikka uthavinathu neenga thaana?! :)
  
  
• From: x (@ 219.65.131.126) on: Wed Sep 17 12:30:23 EDT 2003
  
  MADDY:
  A sound engineer is called a sound engineer only.
  
  
• From: senty (@ 167.213.190.133) on: Wed Sep 17 14:34:46 EDT 2003
  
  LLD u have a great sense of humor.this was really a good one.but y is that i always see ur humor in non-IR threads.and mythila.I haven't seen any creative jokes from u.but u will always be there to do a pakka vadhyam.Look at what has happened to the thread....
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.48) on: Wed Sep 17 15:37:48 EDT 2003
  
  LLD,
  
  ROTFL. i am not able to stop laughing. this was the best ever joke i came across in any of the forums.thanks LLD.
  
  my additions to the list
  mathematics - oruvan oruvan mudalali
  astro physics - vennilavin theril yeri
  metallurgy - thanga thamarai magalae
  
  
  
• From: agneye (@ 209.48.32.2) on: Wed Sep 17 16:01:02 EDT 2003
  
  For those nitwits who doesn't understand the meaning behind term 'sound engineering' used in the thread read ....
  
  
• From: agneye (@ 209.48.32.2) on: Wed Sep 17 16:03:06 EDT 2003
  
  The film music recording engineer is a rare breed. They are also known as music scoring mixers, music mixers, film mixers, scoring engineers or mixing engineers. Their purpose is to uniformly capture the sound of an orchestra so that when we go to the movies we can hear the blazing brass on Star Wars or to hear Vic Flick's electric guitar as James Bond walks the screen. To do this they must deploy microphones throughout the orchestra which are fed into a mixing desk and then to a tape machine. Film music recording engineers differ from a "standard" orchestral engineer in that they must record and mix the music with sound effects and dialogue in mind. They must be aware of the audio and visual content of a picture for whose score they are recording. This is why some engineers, those whose style I like the most, mix with a wide stereo image -- that is, instruments are placed further to the left and right speakers than to the center.
  
  Film music engineers are used to long working days, in the order or 12-15 hours a day, for a few weeks at a time: they must deliver the mixed down tapes on time or the film will be behind schedule and budget. As a result of this, highly esteemed and sought-after engineers are paid a considerable amount of money.
  
  Film music recording engineers can cover everything to do with the music in a film: from looking at scores and talking with clients to setting up the studio and checking the "pipe-line" from orchestra to tape. Engineers such as Eric Tomlinson take care of all these things and some, like Eric, can follow music (on sheet). Sometimes we have just a music mixer. Shawn Murphy was simply a music mixer for the new finale for Return Of The Jedi: that is, he adjusted the relative volumes of instruments and their positions in the stereo field -- he did not set-up microphones or actually record the piece for that matter.
  
  It is not uncommon, however, for more than just one person involved in the recording of film music. We often only see the "head" or "main" recording engineer get the credit but he (or she) will usually have assistants, or scoring crew, who set-up microphones in positions decided by the engineer, who will operate tape machines, cut tapes (analog), route cables and make recommendations on how to tackle problems, etc. It is often a team affair being captained from the control room.
  
  After the many takes of cues from a film are recorded the recording engineer must then "mix" the music. (As mentioned earlier this is sometimes done by a different person.) The producer is often present, as is the composer, who I guess have the final say over the mix but most times the engineer is left pretty much to their own devices. The mix of the music is greatly determined by the style of recording. If close-miking techniques were used (placing microphones closely to intruments or groups of instruments) then many more degrees of freedom are available to the mixer. Intruments can be panned (or placed) in their respective positions in the stereo field, as if one was standing on the conductor's podium. For example: double basses can be panned hard right, French horns left, flutes and clarinets center. Close-miking achieves a much more punchy sound, especially in the basses and some percussion but as a side effect it requires extensive artificial reverberation (Reverb is the sound you get when you clap your hands in a recording studio and the sound reflects, or comes back, a fraction of a second after). I think two seconds is around the norm for reverb. Close-miked recordings without added reverb would sometimes sound too "clean". Engineers who use close-miking techniques include Eric Tomlinson, John Richards and Dsick Lewzey. John Richards is very fond of throwing in a decent amount of reverb.
  
  At the other end of the spectrum we have a more distant-miking setup. This requires less microphones and hence tracks on the mixing desk. Setting up is far quicker and many phase cancellation problems commonly associated with close-miking don't exist. It is possible to get a lovely recording by using as little as two microphones. This, however, is uncommon practise for studio and hence film music recordings. In a more distant-miking setup as little as six microphones can be used although a few more are often added for highlighting sections of the orchestra. This method doesn't require much artificial reverb and sometimes none as the natural acoustics of the studio are incorporated into the recording. The big downside is that instruments cannot be panned as much and the sound is more analogous to what one would hear in a concert hall. Personally I don't like distant miking as it sometimes sounds "muddy" and "dull" (the orchrestra sounds far away and there is no punch in the sound). Dan Wallin is an engineer who has recorded most of his assignments this way.
  
  .....
  
  
• From: agneye (@ 209.48.32.2) on: Wed Sep 17 16:03:42 EDT 2003
  
  The norm for many engineers is a careful balance between the two extremes. They use a moderate arsenal of mikes but place them about half way between what a close-miking engineer and a more distant-miking one would. They use some close on intruments, for highlighting and deploy a few way up high infront of the orchestra for a bit of ambience. When it comes to mixdown they aren't as savage as a close-miker is and as a result their recordings have an adequate stereo image without sounding distant or too close. Engineers who use this method are Shawn Murphy, Armin Steiner and John Neal.
  
  Film music engineers are often based at certain studios. The main function of the Cine-Tele Sound (CTS) Studio #1 in Wembley is to record film music. EMI/Abbey Road Studio #1 was fitted with motion-picture equipment decades ago so film scores could be recorded. The 20th Century-Fox studios were built over 50 years ago (?) for this purpose. As a result of scoring stages and studios existing, like MGM, Todd-AO, Burbank, etc. they often have resident engineers. Why "resident" engineers? It is important for an engineer to know the studio (or "room" as it is called) that they work in. They need to know the acoustics, the size, the environmental statistics of the studio and they need to know the mixing desk, the tape machines and the microphones available to them. By knowing all this they can achieve the best possible sound without any unpleasant surprises. There are engineers who are free-lance, ie they can work in Europe or the US, wherever the demand is for them. There are others who were highly respected studio engineers and have turned free-lance offering their services to different studios.
  
  It should be evident, by listening to film music, that there is only a select group of recording engineers out there. Many of them have been in the business for 20 or 30 years and have tens of scores under their belts. It is an occupation that requires skill, patience and dedication, and although many of them think their job is "simple" they are really great, warmhearted people to work with.
  
  
  
  
  Recording musicals.
  
  Recording musicals differs from normal film score recording, for in a musical the music is recorded before a scene is shot. This is the exact opposite of normal film music recording. Usually the film is shot, edited and spotted and in the studio the composer will watch the film and conduct the score, fitting the music to split second timings in the film. In a musical click tracks and rhythm tracks are often recorded in the studio to be played back on the set so the actors can synchronize to them. Sometimes a full musical number is recorded first, but more often than not this will need changes during shooting so it is wiser to record click and rhythm tracks first. Once a scene is finalised it's back to the studio where full orchestral overlays are made along with the music score.
  
  Musicals are expensive. There are fewer and fewer being made these days. Musicals were much in fashion in the Golden Era and the 1960s. The most recent musical I can think of is Evita, which, as a result of being a musical, was an expensive film.
  
  From : cmalone
  @ http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/9045/engin-desc.html
  
  

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