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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 2: Kaadhal Paadalgal

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Thu Jul 9 16:00:26 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just Kaadhal Paadalgal for this thread. Let's roll.

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Responses:

• From: Srikanth (@ 161.225.48.3) on: Thu Jul 9 16:05:26 EDT 1998
  
  Hi,
  KD's :
  Ullagam endrum ore mozi
  Ullam pesum kaadal mozi
  Osai indri pesum mozi
  vuruvam illa jevan ini..
  
  He defines love!...in an simple and excellent manner.
  Srikanth
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Thu Jul 9 17:50:57 EDT 1998
  
  Nettru Illaadha maatram ennadhu
  kaatru enn kaadhil edho sonnadhu
  idhudhaan kaadhal enbadhaa
  iLamai pongi vittadhaa
  idhayam sindhi vittadhaa
  sol manamae!
  
  I like VM's vivid imagery -- youth bubbles forth, the heart spills over, the wind whispers sweet nothings into her ear...
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ isdbsd1-inet.ci.mil.wi.us) on: Thu Jul 9 17:57:40 EDT 1998
  
  enna saththam indha naeram
  uyirin oLiyaa
  enna saththam indha naeram
  nadhiyin oliyaa
  kiLigaL vetkap padudhaa
  adhanaal saththam varudhaa
  adadaa!
  
  VM's version of the sounds of silence -- the brightness of lovers' hearts/lives, the blushing of parrots...
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-ta021.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Jul 9 18:17:41 EDT 1998
  
  Adding to Bharat's mention of enna saththam indha nEram, the despair and intensity of a doomed romance expressed so symbolically in the following lines by VM:
  
  kannaththil muthathin eeram
  adhu kAyavillaiyE
  kaNgaLil En indhak kaNNeer
  adhu yArAlE
  
  Back later...
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-te041.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Jul 9 19:18:59 EDT 1998
  
  As usual, I have a question to the team--this time on the precise definition of "kAdhal pAdalgaL" to be included in this kavidhai discussion.
  
  In the pure literary tradition and, hence, movie tradition, "kAdhal" is a broad term which encompasses the following and more:
  
  thalaivan--thalaivi varNanai [descriptions]
  kAdhal siRappu uraiththal [romantic solos/duets]
  thalaivan--thalaivi oodal [lovers' fights]
  thalaivan--thalaivi pirivu [sadness/ pining away etc due to temporary separation as well as failed romances]
  any other I've missed
  
  
  Are any of the above barred from discussion here? For example, varNanai is a major topic by itself, is it included here? Are pathos love songs included? etc etc. Please clarify before we launch into extended discussions. Thanks, team.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Thu Jul 9 19:32:06 EDT 1998
  
  Kadhal Paadalgal is a vast category and it should encompass everything you have mentioned in your list, Kanchana. As at least 70% of TFM is about the varying shades of love, this may be the most loaded topic of the 10. To my knowledge nothing is barred from discussion. If anyone wants to refine the 10 song categories it can still be done, feel free to say your piece.
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-to011.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Jul 9 19:43:21 EDT 1998
  
  Thanks, Udhaya. You are right, this is going to be the longest discussion among the 10. Will be back after some research...
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ ml1b-44.memlib.mu.edu) on: Thu Jul 9 20:42:23 EDT 1998
  
  Is there some place I can look up to see how to write Thamizh syllables in English? For instance, I wrote "naeram" above, and Kanchana spelt it as nEram, which is obviously the preferred form. Thanks.
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ ml1b-44.memlib.mu.edu) on: Thu Jul 9 20:52:42 EDT 1998
  
  Unabashed sensuality from VM (I'm sorry if this sounds more fitting to kaamam than kaadhal, but this is an adult forum, and these are after all exchanges between kaadhalargaL)
  
  udayodu pirakkavillai
  unarvodu pirandhuvittom
  vaazhvin thevayai
  vaazhndhu pogavaippom...
  
  (The first two lines so beautifully capture the primal urge. Seemingly, they are just statements that we are born sans attire and with feelings. However, the love depicted in this situation demands the same sans-attire-but-with-feelings attribute)
  
  vaadi poongodi
  brahman padaippil endhan pangu neeyadi
  un pangu adhu naan thaane
  vaa thozhi
  
  (How beautiful are these lines that express that someone has not just been made, but "created" (by Brahma) for this lover...)
  
  ahaa kaadhalaa
  raththam sadhayil iththanai swargam ulladhaa
  ann pennin indha thevai dhaan theeraadha
  
  (It's so gratifying to see carnality being served with such beautiful poetry rather than references to what one could do with another's mundhaanai)
  
  
• From: peesoo (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Fri Jul 10 01:04:59 EDT 1998
  
  Gems of KD:
  
  
  
  paalirukkum pazham irukkum pachi irukkaathu
  panjchaNaiyil kaaRRu varum thUkkam varaathu
  
  n-aalu vakai kuNam irukkum aachai vitaathu
  n-atakkavarum kaalkaLukkum thuNivirukkathu
  
  
  kattavizn-tha kaNNiraNtum ungkaLaith thEtum; paathi
  kaNavu van-tha maRupatiyum kaNkaLai mUtum.
  
  
  
  
  kaadhal vayappatta oru pennin uNaruvagalai, eNNangaLai, virasamillaamal miha azhagaaga satrE marapu sarndha kavi nayaththudan veLippadiththuLLar.
  
  Points to consider:
  1. kaviththuvam (choice of words?)
  2. sollap-p-patta vidham (decency/style)
  3. pinNaNi (backdrop/environment/situation)
  
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ pm062-22.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Fri Jul 10 01:23:55 EDT 1998
  
  Kaadhal...
  
  Kannadasan migavum rasithu rusithu ezhudhiya thalaippu...
  
  Kaadhalil pinnapattavargalin paattu:
  
  naan kaanum ulagangal nee kaana vendum
  nee kaanum porul yaavum naanaaga vendum
  
  manadhaalum ninaivaalum thaiyaaga vendum
  madi meedhu vizhaiyadum seiyaaga vendum
  
  Oru kaadhali/manaivi than kanavarukku/kadhalarkku
  vazhi thunaiyaaga,thaiyaaga,thozhiyaaga irukkavendum enbadhai ore paadalil koorugiraar
  
  Partnership:
  ingu nee oru paadhi naan oru paadhi
  idhil yaar pirindhaalumvedhanai paadhi
  kaalangal maarum kaatchigal maarum
  kaadhalil munne neeyum naanum veralla
  
  Her importance in a relationship:
  oru deivamillaamal kovilumillai
  oru kovilaamal deepamumillai
  nee andha kovil
  naan angu deepam
  deivathin munne neeyum naanum veralla
  
  kovil irukkalam,deivamirukkalam but wout the deepam anda deivathai kaana mudiyaadhu. No deepam no darisanam of deivam
  
  Now as a mother:
  en meniyil unnai pillaiyai pole
  naan vaarianaippen aasaiyinaalae
  nee tharuvaiyo naan tharuveno yaar thandha podhum
  neeyum naanum veralla
  
  
  
  Kaadhal varum podhu thondrum jnanam,dhairiyam,thatuvam:
  
  yaaridathil kettu vandhom
  yaar solli kaadhal kondom
  naayaganin vidhi padiye
  naam iruvor serndhu vandhom
  unmaiye ninaindhu vandhom
  ondraaga kalandhu vandhom
  
  kaadhalithal paavamendraal
  kangalum paavamandro
  kangalae paavamendraal
  penmaiye paavamandro
  penmaiye paavamendraal
  mannavanin thai yaaro
  
  Kaadhal tharum vedhanai:
  
  paal irukkum pazham irukkum
  pasiyirukkadhu
  panjanaiyil kaatru varum
  thookkam varaadhu
  
  katravazhindha kannirandum
  ungalai thedum
  paadhi kanavu vandhu marupadiyum
  kangalai moodum
  pattu nila vanvezhiyil kaaviyam paadum
  konda palli arai pen manadhu porkkalamaagum
  
  kaadhalukku jaadhi illai
  madhamum illaiye
  kangal pesum bashaiyile bedhamillaiye
  vedhamellaam kadhalaiye maruppadhalliye
  adhu vedham seiyum guruvai kooda viduvadhillaiye
  
  Kaadhalin pirivu tharum sodhanai:
  
  nee illadha ulagathile nimmadhi illai
  un ninaivilladha idhaiyathile sindhanaiillai
  kaayum nila vaanil vandhaal kannurangavillai
  unnai kandu konda naal mudhalaai
  pennuranga villai
  
  un mugathai parppadharkke kangal vandhadhu
  un marbil saivadharkke udal valarndhadhu
  kanni manam unakkenavae kaathirukkudhu
  indha kaaval thandi aaval unnai thedi odudhu
  
  ponvilangai vendumendre pooti kondene
  unnai purindhum kooda siraiyil vandhu mattikondene
  indru naalai endru naalai ennugindrene
  endrum undhan ellaiyile vandhiduvene
  
  
  Pirindha kaadhalargal meendum koodidum neram :
  
  kaadhal siragai kaatrinil virithu
  vaana veedhiyil parakkavaa
  kannil niraindha kanavanin maarbil
  kanneer kadalil kulikkavaa
  
  ennangalaalae paalam amaithu
  iravum pagalum nadakkava
  ithanai kaalam pirindhadhai
  enni
  ithanai kaalam pirindhadhai
  enni
  iru kai kondu vanangavaa
  iru kai kondu vanangavaa
  
  mudhal naal kaanum pudhu mana pen pol
  mugathai maraithal venduma
  muraiyudan nadantha kanavar munnaale
  parambarai naanam thondruma
  
  pirindhavar meendum serndhidum podhu
  azhudhaal konjam nimmadhi
  pesa marandhu silaiyai irundhaal
  pesa marandhu silaiyai irundhaal
  adhu dhan deivathin sannidhi
  
  
  
  Indha athanai unarchigalaiyum naangu variyil adakkiya pattu
  
  oruthi oruvanai ninaithuvittaal andha uravukku peiyarenne
  kaadhallllllll
  andha oruvan oruthiyai manandhu kondaal andha urimaikku peiyarenne
  kudumbam
  ninaithaval avalai marandhuvittaal andha nilamaiyin mudivenne
  thuyaram
  pirindhavar meendum serndhuvittaal angu penmaiyin nilai enne
  mounam
  
  
  matra vagaigal piragu:-))
  
  
• From: kAthalithavan (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Jul 10 04:53:02 EDT 1998
  
  KANNADASAN sonna pala kAthal situations..
  
  What kathali things about kAthalan
  
  EthO oru nadhi-il nAn iRangu-vathip-pOlE
  (When you touch the water - anthak kuLirin silirpu pOla
  kAthali feel paNNugirAL)
  
  What kathalan thinks about kAthali
  
  moondRu kani sAru ondrAkak kalanthu
  mOga rasam konjam aLavOdu kalanthu
  (romba athigam vEndAm - konjam aLavOdu mattum)
  bOthai mathuvAga ponmEni malarnthu
  poovai vanthAL peNNAgap piRanthu
  (ponnedrum poovendrum thEnendrum solvEnO)
  
  Kathali vidum thoothu
  
  indha mandRathil Odi varum Ilam thenDralaik kEtkinRen
  nee sendRidum vazi-inilE en theivathaik kANbAyO!!!
  
  kAthalan giving something to kAthali and she enjoys it.
  kAthalan:
  kothu malar eduthu muthu saram koduthu
  situ mugam pArthE sirithiruppEn
  
  kAthali:
  thottavudan nenjil thuLLi varum veLLam
  kaNdu kaNdu nAnum kaLithiruppEn
  
  (pon enbEn siru poo enbEn)
  
  kAthalan feels like a kid (ellAp pasangaLum paNNuvathu!!)
  
  chinna chinna paRavai annai avaL madi-il
  thavazvathu pOl nAn thavaznthirupEn
  (pon enbEn siru poo enbEn)
  
  When they meet - what to they do ???
  
  kaN enna kaN endru aruginil avan vandhAn
  peN enna peN endRu enenna kathai sonnAn
  ithu pOthAthu endRen - ini koodAthu endrAn
  innum meetham endrEn - avan nALai endrAn
  (anubavam puthumai avaLidam kaNdEn)
  
  suRRi nAngu suvargaLukkuL thookam indRi kidanthOm
  siru thunbam pOnRa inbathilE iruvarumE nadanthOm
  (eNNirandu pathinARu vayathu)
  
  When they meet she feels shy....
  
  Ahattum endRa pinnum achcham
  En michcham kaNNalla Odi vaa
  akkam pakkam yArum illai
  vetkam enna sollammA......
  (ennap pArvai undhan pArvai)
  
  akkam pakkam yArum pArthAl vetkam vetkam
  anbE unnai nEril kaNdAl nANam nAnAm
  Asai nenjai sollap pOnAl achcham achcham
  andRum indRum athuthAn nenjil michcham michcham
  
  (kaNNan ennum mannan pErai
  ALL THE LINES IN THIS SONS ENDS WITH IRATAI KILAVI!!!)
  
  kAthal feelingsil athigamAgi "poi kObam" koNdu sollum kAthali
  
  innum pArthuk koNdirunthAl ennAvathu
  inthap pArvaiku thAnA peNNanathu
  nAn kEttathai tharuvAi indRAvathu
  
  kAthalil moozgittA irvarum OndruthAnAm
  
  kAlangaL mARum kAtchigaL mArum
  kAthalin munnE neeyum nAnum vERalla
  (unnaik kAnAtha kaNNum kaNNalla)
  
  
  kAthalargaL pirinthirukkum pOthu...
  
  ingu nee oru pAthi nAn oru pAthi
  ithil yAr pirinthAlum vEthanai pAthi
  (unnaik kAnAtha kaNNum kaNNalla)
  
  kAthal siRagai kARRinil viduthu vAna veethi-il paRakkavA
  eNNangaLAlE pAlam amaithu iravum pagalum nadakkavA
  
  When they meet after some separation:
  
  muthal nAL kANum thirumaNap peN pOl
  mugaththai maRaithal vEndumA !!
  
  pirinthavar meendum iNainthidum pOthu
  azuthAl konjam nimmathi!!
  
  
  
  
  
• From: maNdu_kOstiyAn (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Fri Jul 10 07:28:41 EDT 1998
  
  kElvi - bathil format moolam kAthalai sonnathu Kannadasan mattumE.
  (intellectual lovers!!! what others are - maNdu kOstigaL ???)
  
  alangAram kalaiyAmal aNaipathuthAn enna kalaiyO ?
  azagOdu viLaiyAdi suvaithAl athu enna suvaiyO ?
  
  kAi pazuthu kaninthu vittAl kiLaiyil thangumA ?
  kaigaLilE vizunthidAmal pasi adangumA ?
  (iravu mudinthu vidum)
  
  The following songs are full of Q&A
  
  enthan paruvathin kELvikku badhil enna solladi rAdha
  undhan pArvaikku pArvai badhilAi viLainthathu rAja
  
  kARRu vandhAl thalai sAyum ?
  nANal
  kAthal vandhAl thalai sAiyum ?
  nANam
  
  kodi asainthathum kARRu vandhathA ??
  
  kAthal enbathu ethu varai ?
  
  nenjathil iruppathu enna enna ?
  
  

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