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Topic started by Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on Sun May 13 19:02:00 EDT 2001.
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Hey guys

I want to know what you think about Laxmikant Pyarelal and R.D. Burman. How do you like their music and their style and how would you compare them to Illyaraja and A.R. Rahman.

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• From: yArO ivar yArO (@ 203.199.230.30) on: Mon May 14 01:31:48 EDT 2001
  
  I do not know much about LP or RDB. Therefore I cannot enlighten you on that aspect. But I have heard a lot of their compositions. I hate to tell you this....but.....but.....it is impossible for me (or anybody) to compare their compositions with ARR's character or IR's character. Tough luck!!!
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 206.47.240.86) on: Mon May 14 13:47:27 EDT 2001
  
  LP have had such a sustained innings that no MD's can live up to them. No other MD (pair or solo) has been able to churn out hits after hits of music than LP. They were the reining kings of music and no one could challenge them when they were at the top. Tell me, who can rule for 3 decades of music. LP did that. As for RDB, he was the most innovative of composers and the idol of Illyaraja. Your comments
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Mon May 14 15:25:20 EDT 2001
  
  Indian Music fan,
  I think IR gave more number of hits than LP.
  
  Please first tell us what you know about IR and MSV, before you get in to conclusions. TFM fans know a lot about Hindi MDs as HFM is common in TN. Let us know what you know the other way round.
  
  IR did almost 80% of hits during '80 to '93. All top actors and directors used only IR's music during that time, along with many newcomers and unknowns. Other MD hits, were mere exception from the visu and TR. It was a kind of monopoly.
  
  And he had many hits during '75 to '80s too. And 80s Tamil music had much variety than that of HFM during 80s. It ranged from carnatic, semi-classical, pop, folk, western classical music and fusion. It was about 700+ movies, with a very high hit-rate in terms of music. (unlike LP around 200).
  
  RDB is one the idols of IR, because RDB was the senior, that doesnt mean he was inferior. RDB himself has credit IR being a great composer.
  
  Your TONE of the message sounds like you have come to only argue that LP is better than Tamil MDs. If you want to learn about TFM in a honest sense, you are welcome. That too to understand TFM, you need to listen atleast 200 songs of MSV, KVM and IR.
  
  Other wise please dont waste. This is not a place to compare people and argue about them.
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Mon May 14 16:55:45 EDT 2001
  
  First of all kk, HFM wasn't good in the 80's because of the disco crap going on around at that time. And the MD's which stopped the disco crap were LP with their meledious movies in the late eighties. TFM may have had more variety than HFm in the eighties because of lack of melody in HFM. You are saying that IR has over 700 + movies during that time period. I heard someone else post on this forum that he has about 796 right now. Are you talking about that period from 80-93 or his whole career.
  
  LP ever since they started in 63 have been a colussus to deal with until 98 when Laxmikant passed away. They could have gone on if it wasn't for his untimely death. I don't think any MD can rule that long and the standard of their music be kept so high as LP's was. Also, LP were charging twice as much as their nearest competitor in the seventies which was probably RDB.
  
  Their music had variety from classical, western, jazz to folk, pop and pure indian based melodies. They won an award for the movie KARZ which was a pop based score more suited for maybe RDB and that is the only pob based album in HFM to have won an award. They also won 4 straight awards from 77-80. You can say oh ARR has won 8 straight down south but that is because there is no competition down there. He just does one good score and he gets presented with an award. LP had competition to the utmost. They were giants among their contemporaries such as RDB, Kalyanji-Anandji, Rajesh Roshan etc. and they overtook Shankar-Jaikishan as the # 1 MD's, a feat no MD had done before them.
  
  I have heard Illyaraja's music and it is good as well as MSV's. They both have good music but LP is just out of this world with their unique style and grand orchestra. LP have done over 500 + movies throughout their career and some have said that the initials L & P stand for "Long" "Playing". Whatever the movie or situation was, people always knew that the music of LP would never let them down. The number of giga-hits they produced in their movies is unmatched by any MD. One of the things which was good about them was that they never went into any western frenzy music such as pure disco and they sticked to pure indian based melodies while adding western touches/music to it. Their compositions had major class in them as well as major popular mass appeal. They formed an excellent combination with Mohd.Rafi and Lata Mangeshkar and these two have sung many golden gems for them.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Mon May 14 18:10:01 EDT 2001
  
  "I have heard Illyaraja's music and it is good as well as MSV's. They both have good music but LP is just out of this world with their unique style and grand orchestra"
  From your words, how many IR songs did you listen? Must be one or two?. I think you dont know enough about IR. And we are not here to argue. First try listening some songs properly and tell me later. You mean grand, in the sense being loud? or by givening a complex score.
  Ask anyone here they will quote example regrading IR's orchestration.
  
  Go and watch Dayavaan and its tamil original. Listen to the songs and background music. Then tell me, which is better.
  
  Which award are you talking about? Film fare? IR never even goes to receive it. Talk about national award the only all india award, IR has 3 of them. You mean he got it without competition all over india.
  
  I am not claming IR is better, Iam sure if you quote any LP song I can find a IR song as good as that if not better.
  
  
• From: Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Mon May 14 20:10:40 EDT 2001
  
  I have heard Illyaraja's songs and not only some and i find that his music is good. Let's see the situation here. Both LP and Illyaraja are good MD's and we shouldn't argue about who is better. LP's music has alot of variety just like Illyaraja's. LP had the variety in their music which made them surprass any challenge for more than three decades. Illyaraja started around 1976 and his reign was from that point on until ARR came in the early nineties. LP ruled for three decades. I am not saying that the longer you rule the better you are i am just saying that look at the sustainence. Have you heard many LP songs also ??. Filmfare awards are big awards because they are voted by the public. That shows how popular LP were. In your opinion do you think Illyaraja could have made it big in HFM when he came on to the scene with giants like LP and RDB around ??.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 172.173.93.31) on: Mon May 14 23:41:18 EDT 2001
  
  Iam not saying filmfare award is not worth, but filmfare award is a good scale because it came to tamil very late and it doesnt take all languages together. And its only popularity based so catchy tunes takes precedence over classy songs. Given the push over attitude of north towards south Indian movies in 80s, Ilayaraja getting 3 National awards its a great feat. Remember all these 3 were big hits among people too, though they were carnatic based.
  
  Could raja made it big in hindi?. This is hypothitical. For one thing Raja is complex musician, In hindi FM they like to keep in simple though they are capable. Even Nele nele ambar was simplified version of raja's tamil version, because they wanted to keep it simple.
  Direct South indian music is bit alien to hindi auidience. Unlike hindi music to south, as they were fed with large doses of hindi music in the state owned Radio & TV for long time.
  
  Raja strongpoints are his carnatic, tamil folk and western classical. None of this will realy help in Hindi. Though few of his hits made it big as different versions in hindi, they were mostly strip out of thier real flavour. He did worked against gaints like MSV and KVM in south and did well on par with them. He made carnatic classics in telugu, where just few years before sankarabaranam by KVM made waves. If he had tried had and adopted to HFM for sure he could have made a good impact.
  
  He did give one original hit in Hindi, sadma, but it didnt have the real hindi flavour. For that matter even, RDB and LP tried thier hand in Tamil with each of them making two movies. They did had good songs but wasn't received well.
  
  I have heard many LP's songs. I rate them par or below RDB. Thier tunes are real great. And used the voices realy well. But orchestration wise they are too loud and lack flow. I dont know, If they realy made pure classical songs, as there were no classical music based movie in hindi. Instruments wise its like they play it one by one and interludes are usualy tune of the song played in a instrument or some orbit pieces. Mostly its like filers.
  
  Raja's music in addition with good melody, its comes with great orchestration. It would have great flow and unexpected twists. I remember so many interludes by heart. Many times Multiple instruments and voices were layered. I dont see many of these qualities in Hindi FM in general.
  
  I dont know if you know Raja's legacy. Beleive me he literaly ruled TF. No one even dared to go against him, even if they did, they came back to him later. Things went to the level that his face was used in posters, sometimes just only him. This over popularity and his nature of working with biggies & underdogs alike went against him. Though he does less movies now, his name is as big as any day. Just look around how many talk about him here daily. His impact was so much. music is so MD centric in tamil, unlike it use to be singers songs were identified with in hindi even till 90s.
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Mon May 14 23:52:58 EDT 2001
  
  do you think Illyaraja could have
  made it big in HFM when he came on to the scene with giants like LP and RDB around ??.
  Yes. absolutely. No doubt about it. any person with good musical taste, good ear and no language bias - will accept this. IR did not continue in HFM for various reasons other than music itself. and some of them may be, work style, language barrier ( which ARR doesnt have.), and lot of other aspects of his own personality.(!!)
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.244) on: Tue May 15 00:29:41 EDT 2001
  
  >>>>>>>LP have had such a sustained innings that no MD's can live up to them. No other MD (pair or solo) has been able to churn out hits after hits of music than LP. They were the reining kings of music and no one could challenge them when they were at the top. Tell me, who can rule for 3 decades of music. LP did that. As for RDB, he was the most innovative of composers and the idol of Illyaraja. Your comments <<<<<<<
  
  Sorry...LP sound crude...IR was a class apart in the way he combined instruments in all his songs..only RDB showed similar traits...I think you have some nerve to rake up this issue here...when the quality of music composed by IR compared to LP is very clear...
  
  
• From: lv (@ 203.199.130.77) on: Tue May 15 00:38:51 EDT 2001
  
  guys,
  
  You do not seem to have heard the music of LP or KA from the 50s,60s and 70s and some part of the 80s. They both surpass IR in melody. LP have given Lata a treasurehouse of bhajans, semiclassicals and even ghazals besides folk songs and even pop/rock-n-roll. They are on par with IR too. We all love the music of the immortal Shankarabharanam by KVM. Have you heard equally good classical scores by LP
  1)Harishchandra Taramati - mostly Lata
  2)Sant Dntyaneshwar - Lata
  3)Sur Sangam - Rajan and Sajan Mishra, Lata, Kavita (this is supposed to be a remake of Shankarabharanam)
  4)Bhairavi (1996!!!!!!!!) - songs by Kavita K.
  5)Madhavi (1967) -Lata.
  
  Also please answer - IR has given music in about 15 Hindi films. Ye what happened???
  
  

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