Topic started by WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.131) on Sun Nov 25 09:01:01 EST 2001.
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I think all ARR fans who have particiapted or simply observed newtfmpage forums will agree that there is something vicious in the way his haters attack him. They start threads like "ARR is becoming unpopular" or "arr is mad", a thread that was fortunately deleted. And they also make really stupid postings against him. Some of these haters carry the "IR fan" logo, but let's keep in mind during this discussion that not all of these ARR haters are IR fans.
The thing is, if someone simply dislikes ARR's songs, u'd just leave it aside and not worry about it. I mean, if ARR fans find that Bharadwaj's songs are nice u'd listen to them. If you found Bharadwaj's songs unappealing, u'd leave them aside instead of starting threads and making postings on how Bharadwaj sucks, how he is mad, he's becoming unpopular, how his songs are falling behind in the top ten listings, share links on poor reviews on his work, etc.
But ARR haters do this and more. If they simply state "I don't like PP songs" and provide their reasons why, that's ok and I wouldn't classify them as ARR haters. But when they make comments like "RAHMAN IS A DISGRACE TO INDIAN MUSIC COS HE COPIES FROM ARABIC MUSIC
AND HE SUPPORTS THE TERRORISTS OF PAKISTAN FROM HIS EARNINGS
SO HES A BAD MUSIC DIRECTOR AND A BAD MAN" by DINESH (@ 213.121.248.90) from the thread, "Brand New Topic - ARR Vs IR!!", you know there's something more than just a dislike of ARR's music.
So let me outline the purpose of this thread:
1) To discuss what lies in the root of such hatred.
2) To share some of the worst postings made by ARR haters in this forum, attacking ARR and his fans personally. (like the one above)
3) To discuss the different ways in which ARR haters attack him.
and finally, as a bonus to this topic, we'll most likely find several ARR haters visiting this thread to make more aggravating comments not only about ARR, but also about ARR fans, me for starting this thread, and the singers who sing in ARR songs. Let's talk about it too.
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- From: vel (@ 202.88.154.169)
on: Tue Nov 27 01:37:58 EST 2001
no jalra....you are sick....get locked in some mental asylum please....that was the most immature posting i have ever read in any discussion forum...
- From: chandramouli (@ 61.11.79.49)
on: Tue Nov 27 03:02:27 EST 2001
Comparing AR with Illayaraja is foolish....
- From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133)
on: Tue Nov 27 05:53:34 EST 2001
no jalra, u have some good points there, man.
kk u are right in saying every MD has haters, but ARR haters are more vindictive, that's what makes it interesting.
Common Friend, u say that ARR fans are more quiet. I agree, and not only that, IR fans have more tendency to use vulgar language, and make rude comments too, have u noticed that too. It's strange, but why is this the case? Maybe a generation gap?
raycas, I can vouch tat u never compare MDs as I've read many of your posts before. I too don't quite understand what venus is trying to say.
- From: Please Reload to see your response (@ 202.88.154.169)
on: Tue Nov 27 06:44:33 EST 2001
What's wrong with ARR haters?
Topic started by WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.131) on Sun Nov 25 09:01:01 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
I think all ARR fans who have particiapted or simply observed newtfmpage forums will agree that there is something vicious in the way his haters attack him. They start threads like "ARR is becoming unpopular" or "arr is mad", a thread that was fortunately deleted. And they also make really stupid postings against him. Some of these haters carry the "IR fan" logo, but let's keep in mind during this discussion that not all of these ARR haters are IR fans.
The thing is, if someone simply dislikes ARR's songs, u'd just leave it aside and not worry about it. I mean, if ARR fans find that Bharadwaj's songs are nice u'd listen to them. If you found Bharadwaj's songs unappealing, u'd leave them aside instead of starting threads and making postings on how Bharadwaj sucks, how he is mad, he's becoming unpopular, how his songs are falling behind in the top ten listings, share links on poor reviews on his work, etc.
But ARR haters do this and more. If they simply state "I don't like PP songs" and provide their reasons why, that's ok and I wouldn't classify them as ARR haters. But when they make comments like "RAHMAN IS A DISGRACE TO INDIAN MUSIC COS HE COPIES FROM ARABIC MUSIC
AND HE SUPPORTS THE TERRORISTS OF PAKISTAN FROM HIS EARNINGS
SO HES A BAD MUSIC DIRECTOR AND A BAD MAN" by DINESH (@ 213.121.248.90) from the thread, "Brand New Topic - ARR Vs IR!!", you know there's something more than just a dislike of ARR's music.
So let me outline the purpose of this thread:
1) To discuss what lies in the root of such hatred.
2) To share some of the worst postings made by ARR haters in this forum, attacking ARR and his fans personally. (like the one above)
3) To discuss the different ways in which ARR haters attack him.
and finally, as a bonus to this topic, we'll most likely find several ARR haters visiting this thread to make more aggravating comments not only about ARR, but also about ARR fans, me for starting this thread, and the singers who sing in ARR songs. Let's talk about it too.
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From: raycas (@ 212.186.40.21) on: Sun Nov 25 11:25:48 EST 2001
whynot,
mostly it is 'envy' i think. one of the so called mortal sins (or deadly sins)...it's there in every single person on earth...in some more, in some less...but it's there. even if anyone says he doesn't have it, he has it (perhaps without knowing it even)...
people just can't understand why ARR is so popular and why so many of his songs are hits...the only (of course negative) reason they find is: his songs are repetitive, have heard them somewhere bla bla bla...because they can't accept the fact that this guy is so good that his music appeals to u each time u hear it, on every new album there are always a couple of songs to which they fall in love...then they try to analyze, why do i like it? ah...cause it's familiar to one song i've heard in the past..conclusion: ARR is only copying...and this is always the same procedure...so many people think they are good enough to judge if a song is good or not...if they don't like it at first hearing (i'm talking about 'those' songs u have to hear often to like it) they say...'wahh...what a bad song'...and on the other side, if they like it at first hearing, they say...'but i have heard this tune somewhere...ARR is only repeating his old hits...or from someone else...so he is not that great'...
what else than 'envy' is the reason for this kind of behaviour?
second reason may be just pure sarcasm...u know it's really funny to make bad comments about someone...for example (as i wrote in some other thread), ARR's liking for untrained voices etc...someone asked why ARR doesn't give harish r. a chance to sing, inspite of having a good voice, nativity, okay -diction and originality...and one guy told immediately, 'becoz his tamil is good' (i think u then started a 'quarrel' with him on it)...so, isn't that really funny pure sarcasm? yeah, i do think so...so that is one reason too...
the next reason is of course, when u are an ardent fan of some other composer (IR for example) and u hear there is a new composer in town who is making hits in a row...then u can't sit still...then u feel like 'defending' ur composer, and the best way to do this (in 'their' opinion is) thru bashing the new one.... and so on....
but whynot, i truly have no idea how to analayze messages like the one this dinesh wrote...either this guy is mentally challenged, or the whole message was just fun, like making fun about the whole thread with abstruse comments, which is not meant to be taken serious.
so, there are surely various reasons... but in fact it is very sad how so many people think of ARR and his music...i mean i 'know' some guys who are rather close to ARR and according to them, this image ARR has of being a simple, calm and nice person, is absolutely correct...
raycas
From: mutawakeel (@ 65.186.21.53) on: Sun Nov 25 12:47:35 EST 2001
Jesus Christ man, what sort of a dumb topic is this? Just like death, the internet is a great leveller. You meet all kinds. Some dumb Sh** who's excited to see his comments on the internet posts comments like that and you give him credibility by quoting him and starting a thread about it! I can just see him grinning from ear-to-ear on seeing your topic and planning more stuff to post.
raycas, your 3rd reason hit home. I am an IR fan, but we'll discuss that in another thread..
mutawakeel
From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Sun Nov 25 13:07:13 EST 2001
Good points, raycas. What's interesting is what you say about ARR haters actually enjoying his music despite themselves and finding excuses to dismiss it.
mutawakeel, my reason for starting this thread is not dinesh's posting. I wanted to start it for various reasons and to illustrate what I meant by ARR haters with no rationale behind their postings, used dinesh's comments as an example. There are many many more. It has really got on my nerves. There r so many of them and they are so hardcore that it is worth talking about them, this phenomenon.
There was once a thread that examined the psychology behind ARR-IR comparison threads. But this is simpler than that. It's simply about the phenomenon of ARR bashing which is very very rife in tfmpages threads.
From: Venus (@ 4.41.183.148) on: Sun Nov 25 14:51:29 EST 2001
raycas,
To me it is good to stay away from the comparison if we did not listen some MDs considerably.
In one of the threads, you mentioned that you heard only few songs that too composed recently.
To compare both the artists atleast you need to hear them significantly. Otherwise your arguments will be taken as just supporting (or blindly defending) your favorite artisit. In that case, to me, you are no way different from other fan(atics) who spoils every thread or initiates some vague topics of comparison which eventually ending in war.
Venus
From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Mon Nov 26 10:12:48 EST 2001
Every popular MD has haters. Be it IR, or even Haris jayaraj.
But, hating in basis of caste, religion etc should not be there. Both IR and ARR were victims of some bad propaganda. People anyway like them what so ever. So whats the big deal? just cool down.
Bottom line: EVERY GOOD MDs Have haters, what so ever. EVERY GOOD MD is victim of some kind of BAD MOUTHING and BAD JOURNALISM.
Dont waste time as if only ARR has haters.
From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Mon Nov 26 11:40:58 EST 2001
Good Topic. I too have this curiosity of analysing the mentality of HC ARR haters. I find it rather strange. When I was in school I enjoyed IR songs with out being bothered about the MD (ie..IR's name). I realised after many years that the songs that I was relishing once were IR's. But, ARR struck me like a lightning. But, still I did not confuse or confront in the name of ARR or IR. I still do not do it. But, I wonder. I take ARR's side more often here because, you know that this side is less in number (to argue). I usually, pass a sarcastic comment or a single line of disagreement.
WhyNot, I think there are many like me too, here. They are a bit quite.
Generally, you can see, HC ARR haters do not continue here for long. They come, they spit and they go. What remains is the spit/shit.
From: raycas (@ 212.186.40.21) on: Mon Nov 26 11:59:06 EST 2001
dear venus,
i think i didn't quite get u...
"To compare both the artists atleast you need to hear them significantly"
in this thread, in my first message, i didn't write anything about comparing (really, i read over my message again, the word 'compare' is not at all existing there...or anything similiar)...so, do u refer to another message in another thread?
yes, one thing u said is right, i'm rather new to tfm (except ARR's music)....and its absolutely right when u say that one has to hear to both mds significantly to compare them...i've mostly only heard to ARR and these new ones nowadays (hj, ysr etc.) BUT, the funny thing about the whole matter is, i NEVER wanted to compare 2 mds...never, ever... i remember writing in many threads why people are always comparing...like our most famous comparision IR-ARR...i was always against this comparing, cause i found that both were great and that this comparing was so useless...like u can't compare a comedy with a thriller (like i wrote somewhere else)...okay, IR and ARR both make music for tamil films, but the only way u could compare them is...let ARR do music for a certain movie, and then tell IR to do music for the same movie (just imagine doing that, of course in real it's not going to happen, i know)..well, and then, u could compare the results the two has brought...that's really the only way of comparing i would accept (sort of, but not really)
so dear venus, i think i'm the last person who would start a thread on comparision two artists. (my first thread i started here was indeed about comparision...but that was something different, cause there it was about comparing indian music with world music...which i think one can discuss about without letting it end in a war, which was also not the case, as i remember..)
but venus, is there any point in my first message in this thread with which u disagree? just curious to know...if u didn't understand the points i mentioned, then feel free to ask...i'll answer...
raycas
From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Mon Nov 26 17:34:17 EST 2001
"I take ARR's side more often here because, you know that this side is less in number (to argue)."
why so?
From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Mon Nov 26 22:53:18 EST 2001
i second kk fully...
his is simply correct IMHO
From: SUSHMA (@ 203.197.178.168) on: Mon Nov 26 23:07:05 EST 2001
Hi,,,,
Too much is said about this issue and rightly so.I think the messages that contain HELP TO TERROSIST etc should be deleted.I doesnot take anything out ARR FANS to get back at the ARR HATERS.So to all ARR HATERS AND FANS,HAVE SOME RESTRAINT.Come on guys music is after all a mode of entertainment.Why do we need to make big weather out of it??I hope such topics are not discussed at all,may it be any MD
Bye
SUSHMA
From: no jalra (@ 61.11.74.10) on: Tue Nov 27 00:20:47 EST 2001
OREY ORU KARANAMTHAN ILLAIYARAJA RASIGAARGALIN VAYITHERICHEL NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.
PP nallaillay endru koovikondu irunthalum adhuthan ippothu no1 sales.virpanai mattumillamal isaiyum nanragathan irukkirathu.
every time arr releases an album these guys immediatly write it off.this happened in every single album of arr.
but like the old phrase 'sooriyanai pathu nai koraikkuthu' their outright opposition never affect the sales or sweetness of arr music.
illaiyaraja 'kusu'-sorry to use this term but the circumstances requires- vittal kooda adhai in detail praise panni 100 thread aarambikum rasigargal konjam yosikka vendum.
there is no doubt rajaa is a music genious.but that does not mean every other music director is stupid.
now a days many new music directors give good songs.yuvan,karthik,harriss,bharani,vidyasagar,manisharma,baradwaj etc.
infact this years huge hits are given by deva 'maley maley',vidyasagar'dill','alli thantha vaanam',hariss jayaraj '12b', 'majnu' but there were no threads discuss them. even if u start one it will get no response.
but if u start a thread say 'yuvan wins oscar' or 'illaiyaraja catches cold' u will get responses like anything.
will raaja's fans think?
From: vel (@ 202.88.154.169) on: Tue Nov 27 01:37:58 EST 2001
no jalra....you are sick....get locked in some mental asylum please....that was the most immature posting i have ever read in any discussion forum...
From: chandramouli (@ 61.11.79.49) on: Tue Nov 27 03:02:27 EST 2001
Comparing AR with Illayaraja is foolish....
From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Tue Nov 27 05:53:34 EST 2001
no jalra, u have some good points there, man.
kk u are right in saying every MD has haters, but ARR haters are more vindictive, that's what makes it interesting.
Common Friend, u say that ARR fans are more quiet. I agree, and not only that, IR fans have more tendency to use vulgar language, and make rude comments too, have u noticed that too. It's strange, but why is this the case? Maybe a generation gap?
raycas, I can vouch tat u never compare MDs as I've read many of your posts before. I too don't quite understand what venus is trying to say.
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- From: to hell with rehman vs raja threads (@ 202.88.154.169)
on: Tue Nov 27 06:58:49 EST 2001
rehman sir earns one crore for one film
raja sir earns 10 lakhs for one film
whynot & 'no jalra'...unga rendu paeraala unga veetukku salli paisa prayajanam unda? Veetula dhenda soru saapittittu ippadi vetti thread'ellam aarambikkanuma?...rajavum rehmaanum saadhichadila noothula oru paangu ungalaala saadhikka mudiyumaa?..Think in similar lines, might be helpful for your life...vandhuttanunga, vetti officer'unga...the first idiot talks of ilaiyaraja's fart too being musical while the second idiot says,'you have got some good point there man."...my goodness me,,..give me a break guys....
- From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.162.5)
on: Tue Nov 27 07:08:12 EST 2001
rehman sir earns one crore for one film
raja sir earns 10 lakhs for one film
Entha Kanukku ithu..Sontha Kanakka? I heard HJ earns 80 lakhs...mmmm....Kalikaalam
- From: Kalikaalam (@ 202.88.154.169)
on: Tue Nov 27 07:13:27 EST 2001
:-)Fliflo
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