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What is the contribution of ARR to film music in the past 10 years

Topic started by musician (@ 211.28.96.9) on Mon Jun 10 07:14:46 EDT 2002.
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• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.60.58) on: Mon Jun 10 08:30:23 EDT 2002
  
  If you don't know his contributions, you can;t be a musician. :)
  
  
• From: O(pi)nion (@ 209.130.217.102) on: Mon Jun 10 09:22:02 EDT 2002
  
  Musician (are u really one?)
  some say he made many composers pack their baggage:) are they just kidding... ?
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon Jun 10 09:44:17 EDT 2002
  
  1.Introduction of many talented singers
  2.Shut the northie mouth once for all
  3.The speciality-musicians used in songs got a cover credit (Ganesh,Kumaresh,Prasanna....Kabuli etc)
  4.We came to know important men like Sridhar & Sivakumar.
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Mon Jun 10 10:33:35 EDT 2002
  
  OISG
  
  May be can add some more to your points,
  
  1. and many horrible singers to TFM.
  2. Already Northie mouth is shut with no more composers like RDB,SDB,LP etc., May be he sealed it
  3&4. No more a one man show where music director is the one composes for all. Every body gives their hand in composing and thus get credit.
  
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon Jun 10 11:10:15 EDT 2002
  
  LP ? Who those Dolakwallahs?The duo that gave great songs with Mohd Aziz and Shabbir kumar?
  
  Earlier MD s knowingly or unknowingly were taking the credit for some great solo pieces.
  
  Gayathri & Parthasarthy never got their credit for some of the great veenai pieces.Men like Vinyakram were used but someone got the whole credit.It was not during those old days when the MD themselves did not get the credit.Karnan for eg.(info as provided by SL) Bismillah khan plyed the shenai.Neither MSV-TKR not UBK got a mention for their great work.
  
  
  ARR changed the trend as film music will always remain a team effort.Prob NCR imagines IR like Sivaji in Thiruvilayadal .."Paatum Nane".IR playing all the instruments himself!
  
  Yeah!Mano ,Jency were better than SPB and PS!
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Mon Jun 10 11:35:39 EDT 2002
  
  OISG
  
  I was talking of composing not playing. There is difference between one composing and one playing the instruments. I was talking of horrible singers that ARR introduced not LP or other MD's.
  
  That shows your immatureness in your postings.
  I never told what you all assumed that I have told. I never dragged IR, I never mentioned Mano is better that SPB. Please read and understand the posting before responding to it.
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 193.188.97.152) on: Mon Jun 10 11:43:56 EDT 2002
  
  Dear NCR
  
  What shall i conclude from your knowledgable posts?
  
  With Gnanagurus like you let me clear off my "Immatureness".
  
  
  
• From: O(pi)nion (@ 209.130.217.102) on: Mon Jun 10 12:21:21 EDT 2002
  
  immho (in my most humble o(pi)nion:),
  kollangudiK sings carnatic clearly than sudhaR and sudhaR sings old tamil folk in a better manner than kollangudiK
  horrible singing is very very subjective, depends on person to person. Like OISG sirs posting sounds sensible to many but Immature to NCR :) very very subjective......
  
  
• From: Jeera (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Mon Jun 10 13:02:44 EDT 2002
  
  I can't agree to everything being subjective. While liking a voice or a type of music could be subjective for e.g. Many in this forum believe Bavatharini is a bad singer (mostly because she is the daughter you know who) but in my opinion she is a much better singer than many others. This is subjective, I agree.
  
  But killing tamil in the name of freshness is not. This is caught like a virus and seems to be the fashion of the day. Look at the VJ's on TV speak tamil. My God!!!.
  
  I can't accept that there can be subjectiveness in these things. In My Opinion, such singers should not be allowed to sing. I can understand a KJY singing TeruKoyilae but the 'Nunni Nakku Tamil' for the heck of it!!!.
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.133) on: Mon Jun 10 13:05:35 EDT 2002
  
  >>you know who<<
  
  is he voldemort????
  
  gasp.. i said his name!!! :)
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Mon Jun 10 13:11:51 EDT 2002
  
  O(pi)nion
  
  This thread is regarding ARR's contribution to Film Music.
  
  1) What I meant was ARR contributed in both ways, introducing good and bad singers. Can anybody deny that?
  
  2) I was telling after SDB, RDB, LP the HFM( Northie) dont have any MD's that they can boast of. So already their mouth was shut. What ARR did was sealing that shut mouth so that they can never talk.
  
  3) I agree that horrible singing is purely subjective but not knowing the difference between composing and playing is ignorance and posting something based on that is immatureness. Here you too sounded like OISG.
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.248.133) on: Mon Jun 10 13:20:34 EDT 2002
  
  >>So already their mouth was shut<<
  
  and he kept it way by excelling in their homeground!!
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.248.133) on: Mon Jun 10 13:23:37 EDT 2002
  
  ok that sounded like a cricket match..
  
  maybe i shud say territory!!
  
  
• From: O(pi)nion (@ 209.130.217.104) on: Mon Jun 10 13:45:42 EDT 2002
  
  "Already their mouth was shut"
  Oh oh!....in spite of their mouth being shut, they did not come to south, they did not bother about south, they never knew there are better musicians in south.
  But now we should see the north producers standing in media artists till pachathan inn in Queue :)
  
  NCR, you are not stable! on your thoughts. I say this because first you told arr introduced bad singers now slowly you are chaning sides to arr introduced "good" and bad singers!...what next?
  Arr can compose little but not fully...:)
  
  ...difference between composing and playing, nall joke, etho poi patha mathri sollaringa.Producers, directors ellam mutal parunga, they dont know who composes for them. sathama
  s(k)ollathinga....seripanga LOL , wake up sir, wake up.:):)
  composing pathi enaku onnum theriyadhu, my ears tell me songs are good to listen thats all, when I see the cd cover i see Arr's name, so for me he is great. like most i am also an average listerner.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Mon Jun 10 14:01:38 EDT 2002
  
  The major contribution of ARR to film music is the attention to 'sonics' in his music. A song does not have to be ONLY musically different, it is also 'sounds' different. Note, this is not just sound engineering. It is in the choice/usage of instruments so that it sounds good. ARR relies on a rhythm based approach to making songs mostly. So he can borrow a lots of techniques/ideas from the contemporary western way of making songs. This is very different from the traditional way of tuning where you add thAlam to the 'rAgam' (Please listen to TLOBS:Mera rang de and 23March:Mera rang de by Anand raaj Anand. Actually, TLOBS gives us an opportunity to study the style of his because the same lyrics are tuned by 2 other MDs).
  On top of all this ARR makes sure certain 'cliches' in the music are avoided. This is what ARR referred to as 'small changes in his music that he made, that gave unexpectedly good response' in one interview of his.
  By avoiding doing too many albums, ARR has avoided getting his style 'overexposed' and enjoys the best career probably in the history of Indian cinema. All these together makes an ARR song sound different if not fresh.
  
  (OISG, NCR has a point. Give it some thought).
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Mon Jun 10 14:12:37 EDT 2002
  
  My initial posting
  
  ****OISG
  
  May be can add some more to your points,
  
  1. and many horrible singers to TFM.
  ******
  
  O(pi)nion ,
  
  I am stable on my thought. What does my "and" mean? Its you not able to understand. First you wake up and read my postings clearly from the first. Then post something sensible.
  
  
  /******* I posted ***************/
  No more a one man show where music director is the one composes for all. Every body gives their hand in composing and thus get credit.
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  *******In response OISG posted **************
  
  """"ARR changed the trend as film music will always remain a team effort.Prob NCR imagines IR like Sivaji in Thiruvilayadal .."Paatum Nane".IR playing all the instruments himself! """""""".
  
  So wake up and read my posting before respondig:):)
  
  
• From: O(pi)nion (@ 209.130.217.102) on: Mon Jun 10 14:49:57 EDT 2002
  
  NCR:
  here is my conclusion:
  
  You are tensed because ARR did one thing in his life, you know what it is ,
  you are not able to withstand that destruction, you are not able to face it, truth hurts but you are not able to take it.
  so you got out your "charamathi" pulambal episode on Commending Arr on the negatives. if your view had not been "KOnAl", you would have first spoken atleast few good words about arr then done your act of thrasing him. But you are devastated by his growth because he over therew yada yada yada...you are able to take it in the right way. :):)
  In this process you scolded everyone who talked good about ARR. eg: OSIG, he did not mention anything bad when compared with you. You dragged him in and he gave you handsfull :):)
  
  Empa ROTFL engapa pone, kojam points help panalame...:)
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Mon Jun 10 15:54:04 EDT 2002
  
  Sorry for digression
  
  O(pi)nion, this is what happens when you dont have answers.
  
  You divert the topic, add some thing, subtract something, assume something and finally drag somebody to help. I just added three lines and you made me post a tons of lines to explain what I had posted.
  
  Here is my conclusion:
  
  you dont understand what one posts, and assume something, get hurt and post some thing which doesnt have any sense or relation to topic. I never said what you and OSIG assumed I said.
  
  
• From: O(pi)nion (@ 209.130.217.102) on: Mon Jun 10 16:11:33 EDT 2002
  
  Why does most of the nursery rhymes are destrutive and sad like humpty dumty broke had a great fall, so is jack who broke his crown,
  the donkey died in iniki pinky ponkey,
  is mother goose a Sadist...:)
  
  this is what happens when you dont have answers.
  
  so NCR you know where you stand :):):)
  
  
• From: kk (@ 172.145.46.249) on: Mon Jun 10 23:07:03 EDT 2002
  
  
  For all who wants to bash IR than talking about ARR.
  
  (I accept original OSIG's points and kiru's points and NCR to an extent)
  
  IR dont work in cassette cover offset department. He is composer and does his job creatively as it was traditionaly done. If some one took initiative on this I appreciate, but dont project IR as a monster, then all pre-IR MDs are monsters too.
  
  IR himself introduced VN to directors. I think thats worth a mention.
  
  Why the modern (musician crediting) MDs never mentions thier source of samples and loops?. Are they not INSPIRED even 0.1% out of it?. What about the people working behind these sample CDs. Ok! the CD was paid with $$s, so what evens musicians get paid, why not mentions the CD names?. May be we can wait for a a new MD to start this trend.
  
  (I understand what is samples/loops and I am not against it at all and i agree its a cool way to make good music, dont give me a lecture)
  
  (My FAV MD/his family members may have done some mistakes or may be his mortal career graph has gone down and my post is result of fustration! but dont use it as an argument!!!).
  
  
• From: Harinathan (@ 202.62.76.163) on: Tue Jun 11 00:29:25 EDT 2002
  
  Rehman came to film industry some 10 years back to industry. During this 10 years all IL fans and other Music director fan became Rehman fans. So now u can understand what is Rehman.
  
  

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