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A request to amateur composers who visit this page

Topic started by Vijay (@ 212.137.205.127) on Thu Nov 16 16:58:22 EST 2000.
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I'd like to request amateur composers who visit this page to tell me if they've uploaded any of their work onto the internet and if they have, please tell me where I can listen to it. Thank You.

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Some composers to check out (in no particular order): Jay, Srikanth, Ganesh, Eswar, Sridhar Seetharaman, Kumar, Rjay. Vishwesh Obla

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Responses:

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• From: Jay (@ 209.10.124.134) on: Wed Sep 18 14:49:47 EDT 2002
  
  Krishnan:
  Nice feel to the drum and bass. I like this track much better that the other one. The vocals could be worked on more. especially the backing vocals. Keep it going!!
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Wed Sep 18 17:05:51 EDT 2002
  
  UV: thanks for your postings in the MSV thread. for amateur comps. i like to listen more closely than the professional ones. right now i am not able to contribute much because i am not able to listen closely to all your comps now... that aside.
  
  continuing on what sam said... i too occasionally "meddle" [:-)]with some melodies... there are two problems in writing counterpoints if one wants to stick to a chosen ragam in all voices (1) one might have to use anya swarams if one wants to stick to the strict rules of classical counterpoints; (2) one will have to relax rules of classical counterpoints if one wants to stick to the ragam in all voices.
  
  my choice is the first one for two reasons: (1) that way one can get very good and established chord progression, (2) the main melody is what takes the most attention.
  
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Wed Sep 18 17:15:33 EDT 2002
  
  oops! looks like i have wrote exactly what UV had written :-) [UV, please dont sue me :-)) )
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Sep 18 17:31:50 EDT 2002
  
  Aditya, I thought you were good in ICM. Looks you are equally adept in WCM after listening to your orchestral score. I feel the string sounds could be have been played on a better keyboard/synth/whatever. You are a guy who is pretty strong on the fundamentals, I guess. Can you put some good lyrics and better recording into your compositions ? I will surely pay for your recordings (not the film music ones).
  
  Krishnan, your music sounds very professional - with the anglicised singing, english garnished lyrics, chorus/other sound effects. I am not so fond of this accented tamil, so I liked your second song better. Somehow, I get the impression you are targeting the film music market. Nothing wrong, but it is becoming too jaded and stereotyped over there. Ofcourse, I appreciate alll that music that is there in your composition. Sorry, if I sound negative. But I hate to see talents like you/your team go in the totally commercial direction.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Sep 18 17:59:59 EDT 2002
  
  I think I missed an 'especially' in between "your music sounds very professional" and "with the anglicised singing ...". It sounds professional, in terms of quality of composition/tune, singing, recording etc. And then comes the especially part :)
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Sep 18 18:07:16 EDT 2002
  
  UV, I have not heard Alan Parson at all. I know him only for his recording work on DSOTM.
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 68.62.104.191) on: Wed Sep 18 19:51:47 EDT 2002
  
  Krishnan:
  
  I am yet to listen your song...everybody seems to have liked it. Good.
  
  Regards,
  Aditya
  
  Kiru:
  
  Thanks for your comments. I am organizing some of my observations and learning into a comprehensive album with proper lyrics and better recording. I would like to achieve a stage (Sounding slightly Philosophical:-)), where I can decouple me as a musician from my music and really see beyond what I can/may otherwise feel the Music that I compose.
  
  ICM or WCM, rules are just superficial and just a familiarity. I need to understand many things myself and hence composing:-))
  
  
  Regards,
  Aditya
  
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 172.141.83.45) on: Wed Sep 18 23:07:43 EDT 2002
  
  Hello Kicha:
  
  First hearing I felt this is going to be a beautiful song.
  Don't leave it unfinished, please continue it further...
  I like that "Pa Ka Chi ki" sound - reminded me about my college days
  "Standing in line just to get tickets for any IR scored movies:-)).
  
  This song has Rhythm Structured in clarity. Tune is really flawless
  "NataBhairavi"...could it be "Kharaharapriya":-))
  based on the bass notes and chords that were played...
  my ears tuned that it's Natabhairavi. In the current version of the song,
  Bass Notes being programmed to play one pattern all thru the song.
  Since in the intro, for quiet a long time...music has this pattern
  played repeatively ( nice though )...stressing on the Note "B"
  for every cycle...this tuned my ears to think the song is going to be
  in "B" scale...once in a while in the intro you were playing...
  a piano sound...note "E". Now there's another choice for my ears to
  choose which is the reference...E or B...Since Bass was given more
  prominence...I have fixed finally to B scale in my ears...it appeared
  to me "NataBhairavi". I had a great fun. i feel you have a great choice
  of chords that you can apply on this beautiful song and cool fillins
  as ADDONs.
  
  I know this is based on the current version...when it's final...it could
  become a very beautiful song.
  
  Friends, Correct me if I am wrong...I will learn.
  
  Regards,
  Aditya
  
  
• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Thu Sep 19 07:37:05 EDT 2002
  
  Kicha,
  
  Too much Ilaiyaraaja feel in the melody. Since people are exhausted with Raja Style (with clones like Deva, Rajkumar), it is kinda boring. Very groovy background.
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Thu Sep 19 11:23:29 EDT 2002
  
  Sridhar thinking about what you said
  man
  IR has approaced film music from every angle wcm,icm,folk,pop,jazz
  now ARR has given another dimension on rthym,sounds, presentaion,orchestration,etc
  boy its difficult for amatur composers
  if you use certain synth combo or rhtym they say you sound very ARRish,if you try the other way then they say "its IRish kind of song"
  hmmmm tough tough indeed :(
  
  
• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Thu Sep 19 11:51:21 EDT 2002
  
  I agree. I recall one of ARR's early interviews. He said that while composing Roja, Manirathnam used to tell him 'Hey this is you. Retain this. This is Raja style. Hey this is MSV style. and so on". That is how he realized what was unique about his music. I wish that we all had somebody like him (RJAY?).
  
  
• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Thu Sep 19 11:53:59 EDT 2002
  
  I agree. I recall one of ARR's early interviews. He said that while composing Roja, Manirathnam used to tell him 'Hey this is you. Retain this. This is Raja style. Hey this is MSV style. and so on". That is how he realized what was unique about his music. I wish that we all had somebody like him (RJAY?).
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu Sep 19 15:26:32 EDT 2002
  
  UV, it is difficult to be original :) And the above composers have been successful for this very soon. All others are just followers.
  Sridhar, to a lay person,like me, Krishnan's song does not sound very IRish. The part 'unnai parthatathumm...' maybe but I think it could be MSV too (the latter part of this)..I maybe wrong. You probably are analysing how the notes are flowing..Some people might even feel it is ARRish because of a melody (on whistle) layered over a rhythm backbone..But it does not matter as long as people are doing what comes naturally to them, it should okay, IMHO.
  IR followed MSV but was still successful. Shankar , Ehsaan and Loy follow ARR and i think they are doing okay too. Yesterday, reading Amazon music reviews I read about how people were accusing Scriabin of following Chopin's style. But Scriabin himself has a composition which says, I think, 'Songs I learnt from Chopin'. So a totally new style or a twist/innovation on an existing style should be welcomed.
  
  
• From: Eswar (@ 63.89.199.3) on: Thu Sep 19 16:08:35 EDT 2002
  
  Guys,
  
  I think it is impossible to find a new style as soon as you start composing. The influence and 'inspiration' (not the Anu Malik version :o) is hard to go from your head so soon. We have been listening a lot of IR, ARR, RD Burman, MSV etc. from our earlier days. This has probably ingrained into our subconscious very much - hence a feel of IR/ARR etc in our compositions. It will take atleast 5 - 6 years to discover our own style. I don't think we can 'make' a style if we wish. It has to be discovered by composing, and composing and composing again and again. A beginner can be excused for his influences, but should be exposed to them as well, so that he can learn from it. All IMHO.
  
  Good luck,
  Eswar
  
  
• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Thu Sep 19 16:13:38 EDT 2002
  
  Kiru,
  
  You said:
  "So a totally new style or a twist/innovation on an existing style should be welcomed".
  
  This is it. You nailed it. Thats what people do. I have seen Raja fans arguing that Rahman's interludes are not as complicated as Raja's. In my opinion, he deliberately stayed away from complicated interludes. But his melody structures are different. E.g, 'Pachai Niramae' has two pallavis. You can either return from Saranam to 'Pachai Nirame' or 'Sakiyae'. "Ishq bina" pallavi of 'Taal' set in two diiferent styles, 'Qawaali' and 'Bhajan'.
  
  I was trying to give lay man opinion about Kicha's composition. I liked his earlier composition though. I guess tastes differ.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Thu Sep 19 16:16:59 EDT 2002
  
  If you listen to early compositions of Beethoven, they would sound exactly like Mozart.
  
  Keep composing. Some day you will get it your way.
  
  I did not mean to discourage Kicha. It was just my opinion.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 192.147.58.6) on: Thu Sep 19 16:18:42 EDT 2002
  
  There you go Easwar! Absolutely...
  
  Every composition is a stepping stone. An experience for the composer. Just another one for the listener.
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.4.168) on: Thu Sep 19 17:03:20 EDT 2002
  
  Wonderful guys
  now my respect of both IR and ARR have now skyrocketed ,it would be a real great feeling for ARR to have his own style instead of the usual fall in the line.
  I think we can also give some credit to YSR(yuvan) for having his own style which is certainly different from other MDS.
  Talking about Yuvan,i read one of his recent interviews where he said this
  "Most people think I learned music from my father and brother,No I didnt ,in fact I was not that interested in pursuing a music career.
  Only my mom encouraged and my music guru is my sister Bhavadharini. She taught me all about Chord progression,writing and reading western notation and scorsheet"
  I was surprised to hear that how about you
  I liked her score in 'Mitr my friend'
  
  

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