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Make your own TFM medley

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on Wed May 17 16:39:19 EDT 2000.
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As a respite from constant bickering, I would like to try something more positive in identifying songs with similar sandhams. In rock'n roll concerts there's a tradition of breaking into medleys to cover a bunch of seemingly unrelated tunes by bridging them with unique music. Even SPB did this in his concert to cover several hits of his early years.

The object is to fit charanams of a different song to suit the pallavi of a given song. Unlike paattukku paattu, this is harder and doesn't allow for the chain to keep going. But we can all come up with like- minded songs whose charanams could suit each other. I think this will be easier for the musicians in the forum, but for those of us who aren't can train our ears better by doing this. Let's see how this plays out.

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Responses:

• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Wed May 17 16:40:23 EDT 2000
  
  Let me start with
  Kannaa Varuvaayaa Raadhai Kaetkiraal
  ****
  After the interlude if you substitute the charanam of a similar song, "Ennadhaan Sugamoa Nenjilae":
  Theeraatha mogam naan kollum neram
  thaenaaru nee vandhu neeraattaththaan
  
  the sandham still works.
  
  I know the lyrics won't make sense, but the sandhams agree and the music jells.
  
  
  Just to ward off any pro/anti-artist debates, ARR's songs can do this too as do any other MDs.
  An ARR example:
  Take "Mukaalaa Muqabulaa"
  
  and substitute the "jurassic park..." saranam with
  "vaanoadum mannoadum illaadha vannangal" charanam from "Then maerkkup paruvakk kaatru"
  
  The sandham still works even though it's not an exact fit.
  
  
• From: sollaama irukka mudiyala - kusumbu (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Wed May 17 17:02:19 EDT 2000
  
  You can do this for songs in different languauges too! For example you can take the pallavi of "akila akila" and combine it with the charaNam of "buffalo soldier":-)))) (Personal apologies to Udhaya for this nasty digression!)
  
  Seriously, here is one more say the charaNam for Oooh la la la...with the charaNam of ba ba ba ba ba ba ri (singam puli kooda, jOdi oNNu thEdum) - obviously the tempo has to slow down slightly.
  
  
• From: Kuzhappam (@ apollo.pointbase.com) on: Wed May 17 17:21:25 EDT 2000
  
  Ayyo, ore kuzhappama irukkey?! Naanum konjam kuzhapparen :-)
  
  In 'Pogudhey Pogudhey En Paingili Vaanile', change the charanam 'Nadandhalum Kaalgal...' with 'Paadalgal Pala kodi...' of 'Idhayam Oru Kovil'.
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Wed May 17 17:31:32 EDT 2000
  
  kusumbu,
  Konjam soodu pidikkira varaikkum wait panna mudiyaathaa, paavi? I hope people aren't confused already.
  
  Kuzhappam,
  I liked your medley, it never occurred to me that "Poguthae" and "Idhayam Oru Kovil" could work in a medley. Thanks for bringing that up.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ ws55.telsoft.net) on: Wed May 17 17:40:32 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya heres my list:
  
  pallavi-kuyile pidichu koondil adaichu(chinna thambi)
  charanam-aasai vandhu ennai aati vaitha paavam(unnai ninaichen pattu padichen-aboorva sagodharargaL)
  
  
  pallavi-vedham nee iniya naadham nee(kovil puraa)
  charanam-thandaga mani osai konja (from sridevi en vazhvil aruL seiyavaa-iLamai kolangaL)
  pallavi-oorellam un pattuthaan uLlathai meetudhu
  (a very smooth flow of each song into other)
  
  Pallavi-vazhkkaiye vesham idhil paasam enne nesam enne(6 ilirundhu 60 varai)
  charanam-'pani pole neerin odaiye oru pazhi sollal aama'(nilave mugam kattu-yejamaan)
  
  pallavi-kannathile vai hai vaira mani minna minna(captain)
  charanam-akka maga patte kettu mukka muzha poove sootu(chinna rasavae-walter vetrivel)
  
  Pallavi-oru chudar iru chudar vizhi chudar muthu chudar aadudhadi(rajavin parvaiyile)
  charanam of 'mani kovil vaasalile'(veera)
  
  More later..
  
  
  
• From: SL (@ dhcp-css-consult-11.lg.informix.com) on: Wed May 17 17:55:22 EDT 2000
  
  kokku saiva kokku and the charaNam of "pachchai KiLigaL thoLodu".
  Senthamizh paaduum santhan Kaatru and the charaNam of alangaaram kalayaatha silai ondru kaNdEn
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Wed May 17 17:58:04 EDT 2000
  
  Hei, this is a great game! Thanks Udhaya!
  
  Let me add one:
  rasaathi unnai kaanaatha nenju (Vaidhegi)
  rosappoo chinna rosappoo (s.vamsam)
  
  AVRamanan's saptaswarangal had a section where
  the contestants were asked to do this. They had
  come up with surprises. Anyone watched, like me,
  and remembers such pairs, unlike me?
  
  
  ***
  
  I also remember someone who watched an Gangai
  Amaran stage show, tell me how he meddlied
  many songs. Notable being 'Ek dho theen'
  from tezaab and 'Annae Annae sippaiyannae'
  from Kozhi.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Wed May 17 18:00:10 EDT 2000
  
  Sumai thaangi saaynthal (from Thangapadakkam)
  and
  charanam of SPB's "pottu vaitha mugamo'
  
  These are from memory of a ceylon radio program.
  Let me try to work out my discoveries and get back
  (sooner or later!)
  
  
• From: VS (@ wwwgate2.motorola.com) on: Wed May 17 19:17:50 EDT 2000
  
  Nice game, Udhaya.
  
  Andha vaanathai pola manam padaitha... (Nadodi thenral) with charanam of Chittukku sella chittukku (Nallavanukku nallavan)
  
  Oru vaanavil pole en vaazhvile vandhai... (??) with charanam of Mudhal muththam... (Poovilangu)
  
  Gangai aatril ninru konden neerai thedum... with charanam of Kaalaithenral paadi varum (Uyarndha ullam)
  
  
  
• From: VS (@ wwwgate2.motorola.com) on: Wed May 17 19:19:34 EDT 2000
  
  Sorry... "Andha vaanathai pola" is from Chinna Gounder.
  
  
• From: chidams (@ 38.23.1.248) on: Wed May 17 20:03:51 EDT 2000
  
  I heard some remix which uses the new song prelude and interlude music with the old songs. Some which seemed very suitable are:
  1. Telephone mani pol (Indian) and Pachai kili muthu charam
  2. Thillana (Muthu) and Aadaludan paadalai kettu
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.130) on: Wed May 17 20:18:22 EDT 2000
  
  original :muthu mani maalai(typical adhi thaala raagam from IR)
  
  charanams from other songs: 1. indha raasathi manasula
  2.sokkanukku vaacha sundariye(dont remember charanam, but hope it has the same sandham as pallavi)
  3.koondukkulla enna vechi(chinna gounder)
  
  4.katti vechukko indha anbu manasa
  
  5. padhinettu vayadhu ilam thotta manadhu
  
  Udhaya, game looks easy to me. Am I goofing anywhere?
  
  Basically if u take a song like muthu mani maalai u can fit all 8-beat athi thala songs of IR for a charanam. IR had a lot of these songs with his characteristic tabla in the late 80s and early 90s.
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Thu May 18 14:58:19 EDT 2000
  
  vijay,
  
  No, you're not goofing, you have musical knowledge so this is second nature to you. But for me, it would have taken an accident to have lined up all the adhi thaala ragams like you did above.
  
  You can play it for the benefit of people like me so we can get better at recognizing similar songs, their ragams, thalam, etc.
  
  But there may be songs that don't follow similar ragams or beats but could be interchanged. Maybe some chord progression guru will come and enlighten me on that issue. Hey, that's the whole idea, enlightenment.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Thu May 18 15:19:58 EDT 2000
  
  pallavi: usilam patti peNkutti muththu pEchchu
  charaNam: film kaatti poNNu paakkaalainnaa take it easy policy..(oorvasi oorvasi)
  
  
• From: haris (@ inet-fw2-o.oracle.com) on: Thu May 18 16:09:53 EDT 2000
  
  pallavi:abc neevaasi ( oru kaidhiyin diary)
  charanam : from song --oru kiliyin thanimayilE..( poovizhi vaasalilE...)
  
  and vice versa...
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.9) on: Thu May 18 16:34:18 EDT 2000
  
  this is one SL's interpretations:
  
  pallavi: thooLiyilE aada vantha vaanaththu minviLAkkE
  
  charanam:neeru nilam naalu pakkaam naan thirumbi paaththaalum ( kaaththirunthu kaathirunthu )
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 209.36.218.162) on: Thu May 18 17:00:52 EDT 2000
  
  Every medley mentioned so far by others has been a revelation to me. Wow, I didn't know this many existed.
  
  MS,
  "Kuyiluk kuppam kuyilu kuppam" from "Ennuyir Thozhan" also works well with "Thooliyilae aada vandha" even though the latter is a slower song.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ dhcp-css-consult-11.lg.informix.com) on: Thu May 18 17:01:52 EDT 2000
  
  MS, I had only stated that ThooLiyile.... and kaaththirunthu... have the same santham, and ThooLiyile is the same as "Kuyilukkuppam..." from "En uyir thozhan".
  Another one, pallavi - kaN padume pirar kaN padume and the charanam of kadavuL seitha paavam.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Thu May 18 17:10:53 EDT 2000
  
  I think dappaanguththus become good linking threads. For example, maamaa on pONNa kodu with aavaaram poovaaga (E aaththaa aaththOramaa vaariyaa).
  
  
• From: Jay Narayanasamy (@ nasdgw1.nasd.com) on: Thu May 18 18:16:14 EDT 2000
  
  I dont know if it's related to our topic. But it's very interesting. In AIR programme MSV talked once about kannadasan. He continued proudly that if kannadasan wrote one song that would very well go for others tunes also. He proved it with an example:
  
  1. Mambalathu Vandu...
  2. Veedu Varai URavu...
  3. PEsuvathu KiLiya..
  
  Now He sang (1) in other 2 tunes and vice versa like a magic. Thamizhum isaiyum appadi iZhaikirathu!!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Thu May 18 18:21:59 EDT 2000
  
  next 'misara chaapu' thaala based songs (tha ki ta tha ka thimi tha ki ta tha ka thimi)- 7 beat cycle
  
  Song: pottu vecha oru vatta nila(idhayam)
  
  charanams:
  
  1. manasu mayangum mouna (sippikul muthu)
  
  2. thendral kaatre thendral kaatre(kumbakarai thangaiyya)
  
  3. thagathom thaalamendru (atharmam)
  
  4. veenaikku vennakunju (ellame en raasathaan)
  
  5. kelvi kettom kelvi kettom( ethirneechal)
  
  6. chella pillai saravanan
  
  and many more..
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Thu May 18 18:46:30 EDT 2000
  
  Vijay: thakita thadhimi (from Salangai oli) is not misra chapu. it is double roopakam (called dadra in hindusthani). The beat count is 6. However, your observation about some of the misra chapu songs combining well is valid. We can add, azhagu nilavEy.....from pavithra (is it? it is an ARR, with Ajit & Radhika) to the list.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Thu May 18 19:23:41 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG,
  I have never mentioned 'thagida thadhimi' from salangai oli;)) its is thagathom thaalam endru from the film adharmam, music by IR. even ARR supposedly liked this song for god knows why.
  
  

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