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thiraippAdalgaLil samudhAyak karuththukkaL

Topic started by Kanchana (@ ww-tp05.proxy.aol.com) on Sun Apr 19 11:41:09 EDT 1998.
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TFM boasts of several contemporary poets like Bharadhidhasan, Pattukkottai Kalyanasundaram, Kannadhasan and Vali (Version I) who penned several songs dealing with social issues such as work ethic (uzhaippu), labor rights, women's position in society, religion, caste, patriotism/ nationalism, money/power/greed and the such. In addition, non-film kavidhaigaL from Bharadhi and Bharadhidhasan have been included in TFM to heighten social awareness.
Let's go ahead and discuss some of these songs--old and new--which address some key social issues even as they were entertaining the masses in the context of the movie situation. Please elaborate on the lyrics and your thoughts on the same as your time would allow.

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• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Apr 22 21:33:39 EDT 1998
  
  Manisekaran:
  
  Thanks for the clarifications on paattum naanE.
  I had no idea that there was so much background reg the
  authorship of this song. My source for the story is:
  Vairamuththu varai by Dr. Su. Kalyanasundaram (Second Edn, 1996).
  While discussing Ka.Mu.Sheriff, the author writes...
  
  'paattum naanE bhaavamum naanE' endra ivaradhu
  paadal 'ThiruviLayaadal' padaththil Kannadhasan
  peyaril vandhadhu. idhaRkku APN-in thiruviLayaadaldhaan
  kaaraNamaam. idhanaip patri ivaridam kEtta pOdhu,
  "kEtpadhaRkku nandraagaththaanE irukkiRadhu"
  endraaraam. avvaLavu perundhanmai ivarukku.
  'Siva Leela'-vukku ivar ezhudhiya paadalgaLaiththaan
  'ThiruviLayaadal', 'Thiruvarutchelvar' pOndra
  padangaLukku payan paduththinar.
  
  I have written this just to give clarity to my
  source. Obviously, even the author didn't know
  much about any controversy because he would have
  mentioned it in detail if he had known that.
  Since you have much more knowledge about this
  controversy and even had personal interaction with
  the kavinjar involved, I am sure that what you've
  said, that is, Kannadhasan indeed wrote 'paattum
  naanE', is very true.
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Apr 22 22:31:32 EDT 1998
  
  It is amazing to note that there are (were) sooo many songs in TFM
  with nice samudhaaya karuththugaL. But onething makes me feel
  a bit sad... how come I didn't know much about these songs before? Clearly
  many of these songs never became very popular! My feeling is that
  MDs didn't put as much care to the tunes for these kinds of songs as
  compared to the effort they put into kaadhal songs, for example.
  But some of the songs mentioned above did make an impact on me in my
  school days.
  
  chinnappayalE chinnappayalE sEthi kELadaa is definitely one.
  The charaNam that starts as vEppamara uchchiyilE... made a
  deep mark in the mind; the tune and the tone with which TMS sings it
  were certainly reasons for that, apart from the simple and powerful
  lyrics.
  
  A kutti digression... When my brother Bones took up his first job
  and got his first pay, he didn't send any money to our parents. So
  our mother wrote to him... ennadaa? mudhal pay kidachchavudan nee
  Amma Appa-vukku konjam paNam anuppiyirundhaa engaLukku romba romba
  magizhchchiyaaga irundhirukkumE? Bones wrote back, aptly citing
  PKS's lines...
  aaLum vaLaraNum aRivum vaLaraNum athuthaaNdaa vaLarchchi
  aasaiyOdu eendravaLukku athuvE nee tharum makizhchchi
  adhudhaan ungaLukku magizhchchiyai koduththuttEnE? paNam avasiyamaa?
  
  There is a nice song in the movie Chakkaravarththi ThirumagaL
  by Seerkaazhi (sings for MGR) and NSK (for himself) where there is a
  question-answer pOtti between MGR and NSK to win the hand of the
  princess. I do not even remember the starting lines of this song;
  but I was impressed with the song as a little boy... it conveyed
  useful thoughts amidst nice laughter. A part of it that I never
  forget..
  
  Seerkaazhi:
  ulagaththilE bayangaramaana aayudham edhu?
  
  NSK:
  kaththi
  
  Seerkaazhi:
  illai
  
  NSK:
  kOdaali
  
  Seerkaazhi:
  illai.
  ulagaththilE bayangaramaana aayudham edhu?
  nilayatrup pOna naya vanjagarin naakkudhaan adhu.
  
  
  Another song that I remember vividly is paappaa paattu paadiya
  Bharathi naandhaanE from 'Iru KodugaL'. This is a mEdaip paattu
  in which Nagesh comes as the Mahaa Kavi. The kavi's statue is standing
  in the usually gambeera stature on the seashore. There are people
  going around the statue misusing the great kavi's songs. Tortured
  by this, the kavi's statue comes alive and conveys to the people
  the real intended meaning in those songs. A very very nice idea
  crafted out by KBalachander and executed by the team.. VKumar, TMS
  and Nagesh.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tb03.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Apr 22 23:19:22 EDT 1998
  
  Innoru SKP! (Samudhaaya Karuthulla Paadal!)
  Indha paadalil, kidaippadhil ellorum samamaga
  pirithu, iruppadhai ellorum equal-aa distribute
  seidhu kondum ellorum happy-aa irukka vaendum
  endru ennOda Vaathiyaar paadi irukkar.
  
  Padam : ??
  Music : ??
  Lyrics : ??
  
  
  Kodudhadhellam koduthaar
  Avan yaarukkaga koduthaar
  
  Orutharukka koduthaan
  Illai ooorukkaga koduthaan
  
  MaN kudisai vaasal endraan
  Thendral vara veruthiduma
  
  Maalai nilaa ezhai endraal
  Velicham thara maruthidumaa
  
  Unakkaga onru enakkaga onru
  Orupodhum deivam koduthadhillai
  
  Koduthadhellam koduthaar ......
  
  Padaithavan mael pazhiyum illai
  Pasithavan mael paavam illai
  
  Kidaithavargal pirithukondaar
  Uzhaithavargal thaeruvil nindraar
  
  Palar vAzha vaada silar vAzha vAzha
  Oru pOdhum deivam poruthadhillai
  
  Koduthadhellam koduthaar .......
  
  Illai enbOr irukkaiyilae!
  Iruppavargal illai eNbaar!
  Madi niraya poruL irukkum!
  Manam niraya iruL irukkum!
  
  Edhuvandha podhum podhuvendru
  Vaithu vazhginra paerai vazhadhiduOm!
  Koduthadhellam Koduthaar .....
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tb03.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Apr 22 23:24:17 EDT 1998
  
  
  Keerthi Sir:
  
  Ungal Kutti Digression Sooper!
  
  Ini naan ennOda vettukku andha lines dhaan
  kudukka pOraen! :-)))) Thanks for the Idea! :-))
  
  
  aaLum vaLaraNum aRivum vaLaraNum athuthaaNdaa vaLarchchi
  aasaiyOdu eendravaLukku athuvE nee tharum makizhchchi
  
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ ww-tb03.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Apr 22 23:38:06 EDT 1998
  
  One More SKP! from my Vaathiyaar
  
  Padam : ?? Music : ?? Lyrics : ??
  
  
  Buddhaan Yaesu Ghandhi
  Pirandhadhu Boomiyil edharkkaga
  Thozha Ezhai namakkaga!
  
  Gangai Yamunai Caaveri Vaigai
  Oduvadhu edharkkaga
  Naalum uzhaithu thaagam edutha
  Thozhargal namakkaga!
  Kaelvi kuri pOl mudhugu valaindhu
  Uzhaippathu edhrakkaga
  Maanam ondrae peridhena enni
  Pizhaikkum namakkaaga!
  
  Nizhal vaendum pOdhu, Maram ondru undu
  Pagai vandha pOdhu, thunai ondru undu
  IruL vandha pOdhu, villaakOndru undu
  Edhirkkalam ondru ellOrukkum undu
  
  Unmai enbadhu endrum ulladhu deivathin mozhiyaagum
  Nammai enbadhu naalai varuvadhu nambikkai OLiyagum
  
  Buddhan Yaesu Gandhi ......
  
  Porul konda paergal manam kondadhillai
  Tharum kaigal thaedi porul vandhadhilai
  
  Manam endra kovil pirakkindra naeram
  Azhaikkamal angae deivam vandhu saerum
  
  Azhudhavar sirippadhum, sirithavar azhuvadhum
  Vidhivazhi vandhadhillai
  Oruvarukkendrae ulladhu endrae
  Iravanum thadhadhillai
  
  Buddhan Yaesu Ghandhi .......
  
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Apr 22 23:57:00 EDT 1998
  
  Bhaskar:
  
  koduththadhellaam koduththaan is from
  PadagOtti; lyrics: Vaali, MDs: MSV/TKR.
  
  Vaali writes the following story in his AB.
  When he was running around to various MDs trying
  to get a chance to enter TFM, his friend
  VGopalakrishnan (actor) took him to MBSrinivasan
  who was doing the music for Paadhai Theriyudhu
  Paar at that time. MBS asked Vaali to write
  a song about social awareness. Vaali penned one
  right away. MBS was unimpressed and politely told
  Vaali to seek a chance somewhere else. After many
  years, when Vaali became famous, he used the same
  song... koduththadhellaam koduththaan in
  PadagOtti; it became a BIG hit.
  
  Another song in the same movie which nicely
  describes difficulties faced by fishermen:
  
  tharai mEl piRakka vaiththaan - engaLai
  thaNNeeril pizhaikka vaiththaan
  karaimEl irukka vaiththaan - peNgaLai
  kaNNeeril kuLikka vaiththaan
  
  Budhdhan Esu is from ChandhrOdhayam; lyrics:
  Vaali, MD: MSV.
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ ww-ta04.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Apr 22 23:57:26 EDT 1998
  
  Sathya:
  enna ivvaLavu late-aa ingE vandhirukkeenga?! Good to see you! As per your comment on backing up, I think you need to back up 9 or more pages in the old responses to get to the top.
  
  What are the songs PKS wrote for "pAdhai theriyudhu pAr"? I remember Manisekaran saying this is a major samudhAyap puratchi movie. The only songs I know are thennangeetRu oonjalilE and chinna chinna mookkuththiyAm, both of which are romantic duets. Naturally, I'm curious about the songs with the social message.
  
  PKS definitely seems to be in a league by himself. But, here is my personal observation: somehow, besides the thoughts themselves, I expected more passion also from PKS's works based on his reputation of being a "samudhAyap puratchik kavignar".
  indha thread-in Arambaththil pEsiya Bharadhiyin pAdalgaLil nam nenjaich chudum neruppu uNdu. adhE neruppu PKS pAdalgaLilum irukkum endRu edhirpArththEn; illai (ennaip poruththa mattum).
  May be my evaluation is wrong or the comparison itself is fundamentally unfair for obvious reasons.
  
  I'm hoping we can continue the analysis of Pattukkottaiyaar's contributions, and also shed some light on the contributions of Ka.Mu. Sheriff and the thamizharasuk kazhagam, both referenced by Manisekaran.
  
  One other question: who were all the lyricists who were associated with the Dravida Kazhaga movement whose purported objective was to make the society more progressive? Also, did M.Karunanidhi, C.N.Annadurai et al ever write lyrics, or did they restrict themselves to screenplay/dialog?
  To sum, what was the socio-political scene in those days which led to such prolific socially-aware TFM, who were the major players, and how did it all fit together in the big picture?
  (More interested in getting a good background here rather than the politics per se, obviously.)
  
  

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