Topic started by Vijay (@ 212.219.189.4) on Sat Dec 1 14:39:37 EST 2001.
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I have to say that, in my opinion, this guy - Harris Jeyaraj - is probably the most overhyped music director in the history of TFM. It's irritating at times when people call him "the next A R Rahman", a "phenomenon", a "talented" young music director, etc., etc., as if the music directors before him weren't any of these things. The media is making it sound as if he is the most exciting thing to happen to music ever! His website, which was presumably designed at least partly by him, says he is "redefining" music. He says he wants to do something "different" as if all music directors before him were idiots. I'm tired of this!
"Behind the calm and serene face lies the spirit to venture into the unearthed mystery of music." - www.galatta.com. Are they going over the top or what?! This guy is nothing compared to the greats before him! His "Vaseegaraa" number has to be THE MOST OVERHYPED song ever in the history of TFM. I think it was the eroticism of the visuals of that song that made it so popular, not the music.
In reality, this guy is just a sophisticated version of Deva.
Someone in this forum asked the following question: "who are we to criticise music directors like Harris Jeyaraj, etc., etc.? Can we compose music like them?" I agree that is a good point. But definitely we do not claim to be "redefining musik" when we don't have the talent. Harris Jeyaraj is definitely more talented than I am, but he is not a phenomenon. I think he is too overhyped.
If anyone needed proof that, good marketing is more important than real talent nowadays, Harris Jeyaraj's phenomenal commercial success - I have to agree that, considering his mediocre (compared to the true greats, not to everyday simple music fans like myself) abilities, he is phenomenally successful - is your proof.
Another thing that is annoying is the way he uses A R Rahman's name to give himself a "trendy, sophisticated" image. He not only keeps saying that his most unforgettable moments were the days he spent with A R Rahman (in order to remind everyone that he used to work with the real Isai Puyal), he also copies his hairstyle, his music (his themes, his orchestration, etc., etc.) and does everything he can to give himself an image of a young, sophisticated guy. Okay, many of A R Rahman's albums were also quite heavily publicised, but A R Rahman himself was never given an image as a sophisticated musician (although he really is). Rahman, even if he was publicised so heavily, deserved all the publicity he gets as he always delivers, in fact he almost always exceeds expectations. Rahman is a true genius. Another thing to be mentioned is that he used to work with M S Vishwanathan, but when he first came to work in the industry on his own, he didn't make a fuss about it. And Rahman is a modest guy. He doesn't call himself Isai Puyal (that was a nickname given to him by his fans), and he doesn't claim to be redefining music. He didn't copy anyone's hairstyle or style of music or anything.
Even Karthik Raja and Yuvan Shankar Raja, sons of another true genius (Ilayaraja) didn't use his name to give themselves an image. They have said that they will try to be as different as possible from their father in their music, and they really are working differently. They may not be as talented as their father, but they don't call themselves the "lightings of musik" or the "princes", etc.
Harris Jeyaraj - "the lightning of musik"? Well, actually he is little more than a firework compared to the sun - a little bit of light, but only visible in the absence of the sun and it goes out very soon. I accept that he more talented than fellows like me. But we don't make a fuss about ourselves.
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- From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5)
on: Fri Dec 7 09:45:45 EST 2001
vijay,
you havnt answered me yet.
Is it like, you will start a topic and talk just what you want? and ignore what others are asking you?
- From: allsenses (@ 158.252.111.151)
on: Sat Dec 8 03:18:44 EST 2001
MINNALE in all tems bettr than any ARR albums. 12B and Majunu also class stuff. HJ is definitly composition competence is highest calibre. a boon to india music scene
- From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66)
on: Sat Dec 8 04:44:40 EST 2001
film business is such that hype sells & u make hay while sun shines. So let him bask in his moment of glory. after all we have put up with ilayaraja becoming isaignani & his mug being splashed all over the banners & posters ( motherland pictures, raj kiran & kasthurirajan should take the blame for taking the man to the clouds so that when we say hold on good music was being made when ilaya raja was still learning ana aavana, people shout abuses. IR also gave interviews saying MSV is pedestrian & things like that , then he did a full circle & said everything is music everything comes from up there or down here, then he laments that he has wasted his talent in TFM. In this situation ARR came with his sound undisputed recording skills & perfect blend of mix & match overtook IR in popularity stakes. Probably the same is happening with HR. In all this millieu Tamil film songs have taken a beating. That is why don't deride anybody. if vaseegara is good it is good.( hats off to tamarai for good lyrics) If Bharadwaj has given good music in P. Rasithen appreciate it. Vidya Sagar is in good form encourage him but don' t take people up to great heights & say he is too great & whatever crap he dishes out is terrific. The much maligned Devaa gives out at least one decent album a year. His remixes are also intelligently done. But it is fashionable tyo criticize Devaa & go ga ga over Ir Or ARR
- From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163)
on: Sat Dec 8 05:11:18 EST 2001
vengayam
i thought it is only your name. but your post is also like that. you have chosen a fitting name.
mahabs
- From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.66)
on: Sat Dec 8 05:54:06 EST 2001
mahabs,
what do u mean?
- From: Pras (@ 80.11.83.180)
on: Sat Dec 8 14:09:27 EST 2001
vengayam,
neenga vengayam maathiri pesuringa endu mahabs solluraaru ....
- From: g mauruthi (@ 202.169.135.186)
on: Sun Dec 9 02:59:59 EST 2001
Definetly HJ is better than other crap in TFM such as IR, YSR, KR, DEVA, MS.
He puts better music than others.
Surely he will be a success.
- From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.139)
on: Sun Dec 9 03:19:04 EST 2001
g mauruthi,
wat indian music were u listening before arr & hJ stepped in?
- From: pardhu (@ 202.54.26.125)
on: Sun Dec 9 03:21:04 EST 2001
All this rubbish about who is more talented than
the other is a wastage of time. Just listen to it
if you like it and don't if you don't like it.
That's it.
- From: e...a:-( (@ 210.214.4.71)
on: Sun Dec 9 05:12:20 EST 2001
when ilaya raja was still learning ana aavana, people shout abuses. IR also gave interviews saying MSV is pedestrian & things like that
elE vengAyam, poi sollAdhE...unnAla onion'kku avamAnam...it's such a splendid & tasty creation IMO. poi pEsum vAikku bOjanam kittAdhu...
- From: Sharat (@ )
on: Tue Jan 8 12:35:53 EST 2002
Hey guys....
HJ is good...but very selectively..MINNALE was good...really really good ...MAJNU has "gulmohar malare" and "mudhal kanavu" that r good..but the rest is ______ . ARR's stuff is all good , any album , any song . HJ still has to prove he can go on churning out good music . ARR has already done that
- From: Divya (@ 203.199.248.242)
on: Tue Jan 8 12:48:39 EST 2002
In Music Businss circles Minnale and Majnu are Super Duper Hits....That means HJ'S first film Majnu and second film Minnale are examples of excellent work...Even 12B's second best thing was Music after Shaam...So hj lives to the Hype....
- From: Sangeeta (@ 172.191.45.48)
on: Tue Jan 8 13:36:56 EST 2002
Actually HJ doesn't live to the hype.After Minnale,his albums have turned out to be completely recycled ARR hits.Mudhal Kanavu is a mix of an old IR song and the ARR leo coffee jingle.
HJ is an empty vessel,making the loudest noise.Give it a few more movies,you will all see his true lack of talent.
- From: Vijoo (@ 12.40.25.1)
on: Tue Jan 8 14:50:10 EST 2002
Maybe its too early to judege a MD's Success just after 3 movies. But, surely, HJ's qwality is detoriating. MinnalE was Xcllnt, Majnu was ok and 12B, hmm, not bad. With this trend, I don't think he can make it.
- From: HELLO (@ 128.194.171.102)
on: Wed Jan 9 22:56:37 EST 2002
why is 12b termed bad...these guys ....for once hate IR when ARR comes around...when HJ comes around ..ARR fans jump to him and say .." hey he is copying our chief ..not good not good!!!" ..
12b is a youth film and all the songs had youth in it... and his recording wasnt bad either..all ARR FANS TAKE NOTE...HIS RERECORDING WAS BETTER THAN ARR'S ... and sure we do have lots of fans ..calling themselves...TFM critics.... writinf off a guy in his third film ..when that guy is storming the cassette sales... and yes ARR was judged that way too..his audio commanded sales..now it HJ turn... and one called empty vessel...we sure have many soothsayers amongst us....
one thing is for sure.. patriotism rulez ...
once an IR fan always an IR fan..once an ARR fan..dont even bother talking about any...!!!
kewl guys keep up the good work of doing this ...HJ cares a damn abut this..anyway... empty vessels as we are..we will make the loudest noise...
btw HATS OFF VENGAYAM... URS WAS AN INTERESTING POSTING
- From: jambu (@ 128.119.85.174)
on: Tue Jan 15 15:03:14 EST 2002
yaaruba adhu harris jeyaraj. vengaya paya.
- From: Sombu Nilagriesar (@ 64.105.35.147)
on: Tue Jan 15 17:17:35 EST 2002
vengAyam, your posting is a proof of your awesome creativity/imagination, but in a forum which is aimed at discussing facts, it presents itself as an ideal candidate for deletion.
poi sollum vAikku bOjanam...sorry...vengAyam kittAthu..
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126)
on: Tue Jan 15 23:13:04 EST 2002
poi sollum vAikku bOjanam...sorry...vengAyam kittAthu..
aana andha vengaayamae poi sonna...ennama panRadhu aenh? (think of sivaji and thangapadhakkam)
- From: e...a:-( (@ 210.214.4.9)
on: Tue Jan 15 23:45:58 EST 2002
Kupps:-))
- From: Raju (@ 172.147.50.91)
on: Wed Jan 16 03:51:16 EST 2002
Guys if HJ was such a good MD he would be top of all the charts.Did you notice that as soon as ARR re-entered the TFM scene HJ has gone unnoticed?People only listened to HJ as a replacement for ARR,not because his music was good.Accept HJ for what he is,A mediocre MD who has been overhyped with no limit.Majnu was a total disaster as was 12B.Minnale was such a hit because the songs were good for a newcomer.Even I appreciated it,but his music has obviously deteriorated since Minnale,and this is not a good sign from a new and supposedly upcoming MD.HJ is a one hit wonder and I have no interest in hearing his music any longer.Id rather listen to ARR's old tracks or even his new songs which are transferred from other languages.
- From: Navya Chittarvu (@ )
on: Sat Aug 14 13:38:27 EDT 2004
Come on people....you can never compare ARR's albums with Harris jeyaraj's albums...Rahman's albums are a legend in my opinion.They are having the same freshness forever.I agree with vijay about Harris being the most overhyped artist.No doubt he gave good music in minnale...but no comparison with ARR.
ARR and Ilayaraaja are the best!!
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