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A composer awaiting your comments and criticisms

Topic started by TRV (@ tvenkata.qualcomm.com) on Thu Sep 25 17:05:47 EDT 1997.
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• From: TRV (@ tvenkata.qualcomm.com) on: Thu Sep 25 17:14:55 EDT 1997
  
  Hi everybody!
  I've already introduced myself to some of you
  in another thread. You can call me TRV or Venkat.
  I'm planning to enter the Tamizh Film Music
  scene as a Music Director. I plan to start my
  attempts at getting into the industry by the
  New Year and hopefully I should be able to get
  some breaks in a few years. I just finished my
  Masters (in the unrelated field of Computer
  Science). Namma ooru Madras.
  
  Well, since there is a sizeable collection of
  Tamil Film Music enthusiasts here, I thought I
  could get your comments and criticisms on one
  of my compositions. It is stored in .wav format
  at location http://web.qualcomm.com/~tvenkata/thegam.wav " target="_top">http://web.qualcomm.com/~tvenkata/thegam.wav">http://web.qualcomm.com/~tvenkata/thegam.wav
  
  I hope atleast some of you would be able to
  listen to it and give me your frank opinion.
  
  Another hope is that this tune shouldn't
  be published under some other MDs name in the
  future. So, I will be removing the song in a few
  days. Hope you all can visit the site and give
  me your inputs at the earliest.
  
  Ungal nal vaazhthukkalai ethirpaarthirukkum.
  
  -TRV (Venkat)
  P.S.: I composed, played, sequenced and sang(!)
  this song. It was written by a friend of mine
  -- Vignesh.
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ host-207-53-0-92.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Thu Sep 25 20:41:22 EDT 1997
  
  404 Not found!!! TRV, whats the problem??
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.136.148) on: Thu Sep 25 21:05:20 EDT 1997
  
  gopal & others,
  pl try this link
  http://web.qualcomm.com/~tvenkata/thegam.wav
  
  Venkat,
  you don't have to add "a href". It's done automatically.
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Sep 26 11:10:05 EDT 1997
  
  ayya: naan neraya threads-la sollittEn. Pl. do not include tags that have a " in them. These include <a href=...> tags.
  
  
• From: TRV (@ tvenkata.qualcomm.com) on: Fri Sep 26 13:13:20 EDT 1997
  
  Ravi, Rajaraman:
  Sorry, I'm relatively new to posting messages
  here. Sodhapitten. Mannchuko bha! BTW, did you
  guys get to listen to the song? Any comments?
  Please don't hesitate to say bad things -- I have
  a lot to learn.
  
  Gopal: Were you able to listen to it?
  
  Why is noone responding with any comments?
  Nobody interested in giving me a listen?
  
  
• From: cp (@ 208.206.24.27) on: Fri Sep 26 15:41:24 EDT 1997
  
  TRV:
  I am not able to connect to the website you had mentioned. If you can make it available across some other site where everyone can access your composition, you can expect responses.
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ dutyfree.proxy.lucent.com) on: Fri Sep 26 16:10:32 EDT 1997
  
  TRV,
  
  Vanakkam bha.
  
  Even I was unable to access.
  
  This might be an intranet site in qualcomm,
  which can be accessed only by qualcomm people,
  you might have to post it in the WWW outside
  your firewall.
  
  Hope this helps.
  
  
• From: TRV (@ tvenkata.qualcomm.com) on: Fri Sep 26 17:32:02 EDT 1997
  
  Well, I asked people here if it was intranet --
  but they insist it is internet! Anyway, I've
  hosted it on a geocities site. Hope some people
  will be able to access it atleast now. The site
  
  http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Palms/8762/THEGAM2.WAV
  
  Do let me know. Apologies for all inconvenience caused.
  
  Eagerly awaiting your responses.
  
  -TRV
  
  
• From: Sunil (@ relay.alf-x.dec.com) on: Fri Sep 26 17:49:53 EDT 1997
  
  Venkat
  
  I cud hear your your piece on the second location. It is a real good one. Our heartiet wishes for your future.
  
  K Sunil
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ host-207-53-6-74.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Fri Sep 26 19:53:56 EDT 1997
  
  TRV
  I could listent to your composition now! Its very good! Except that I couldnt listen to the pallavi part completely or for that matter, the charanam too.... The wave file download was for only 1092K ! and was not complete!
  Is that the max you have allowed?
  In any case I wish to listen to the entire comp. Its good.
  My email add is hivadhan@bellsouth.net
  
  
• From: Ravi Chandran (@ ww-td64.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Sep 26 23:33:27 EDT 1997
  
  Congratulations! I couldn't get the whole song - only the pallavi ( the file size was 1.06MB). The initial music was a bit predictable but the once the vocal piece started it is very melodious. Wish you all the success.
  BTW 'dhegam thaniththriukkum egandha veLai' that means the mind is wandering somewhere else? Just kidding..
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Sat Sep 27 14:35:45 EDT 1997
  
  Is there a wav player for UNIX (solaris?). Sorry for the
  digression. Or TRV can you convert your file to downloadable RA
  or au file?
  
  Hope to listen to your work soon.
  
  
• From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu) on: Sat Sep 27 14:58:09 EDT 1997
  
  I was able to listen using a windows emulator. Once the vocals
  start the song sound really good. Will reserve my comments till
  I get to hear the whole song.
  
  Good job charlie.
  
  
• From: unmai-viLambi (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Mon Sep 29 02:20:34 EDT 1997
  
  TRV:
  I couldn't download the file, it stalled after
  19K - I tried thrice, same problem.
  
  I would like to say something. THIS TFM
  is NOT the scale - we don't represent the
  actual MAKKAL. Inga AA VUUnu solrathai apdiyE
  eduthukAtheenga.
  
  To become succussful in cine industry involves
  so many things..involves politics (mainly
  sucking up). Talent illAmal COPY adithE music
  pOdum makkal athigam but they make good money.
  
  Nerullu nEr - is the current trend - that is what
  ACTUAL MAKKAL wants - Dindukal theaterla ovvoru
  pAttukum ennA visil !!!
  Since the movie release, I havn't seen any
  NEW song program in SUN/RAJ/VIJAY tvs without
  the songs from NNer.
  
  know the trend, try to be different konjamA,
  once kAl Undriyavudan - do the experiment...
  poizaikka therinchukOnga.
  
  If my comments are too blunt, take it easy.
  
  Good luck.
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ host-207-53-6-69.atl.bellsouth.net) on: Mon Sep 29 12:05:51 EDT 1997
  
  AAa, Voo appdeennu sonnadhaala, neenga udanE madras poYi music pOttu Isaigyani aagidapOradhillai! Edho, engalai pOla irukkum isaipiriyargal sEya mudiyaadha vElaiyai, periya padippu padicha neengal seyya ninaippadhu periya vishayam!! Adhatku mudhalil thEvai appreciation thaan!! KEttu vazhthanum! Piragu theEvaippattal, karuthukkalai kodukkanum! Modhalil adhu theriyanum namakku!! Businesskulla yeragittenganna, copy adikkanuma, sondha sarakku kodukkanumannu thaana therinjukkapporeenga!! Meenukku neendha kathukodukkanumaa? Idhukku Dindukkal varaikkum pOganumgara avasiyamE illai!!! Nalla paattai appreciate seyyum gumbal, kEvalammana Paataiyum kEttu vijil adikkudhu!! TFM Oraayiram Nerukku Nergalai kEttu(kashtappattu) vittadhu!!
  "To become successful in cine industry........." samachaaramellam ippo vEndam TRV ungalukku!! ModhallE unga padaippu eppadi irukku enbadhai neenga therinjukka aasai padareenga!! Iyalbaanadhu! yedhula sucking illai, edhula politics illai!! Neengal nalla successful aaga varavEndum endraal, mudhalil neenga pOyi tfm pulsai pidichi paarthuvittu vandhu isaiyai adhatku yEtraatpol kattru piragu madras pakkam pOngavEndiyathuthaan!!!
  Inraya nilai, politicsaiyum suckingaiyum therindhu kondapin, thEvayaana talentai, "katru" kolla vEndi irukku!!!!!!
  Idhai naan seyya maatEN!! Mudhalil appreciate (adhuvum sample piece kEtta pinbu)seyvEn!! Piragu, THEVAIPPATTAL, matra karuthugal!!!!
  
  yEndrum vetri pera vAzhthukkal!!!
  
  
  
• From: TRV (@ tvenkata.qualcomm.com) on: Mon Sep 29 13:50:24 EDT 1997
  
  Hi all,
  I really thank you all whole-heartedly:
  
  1) For taking the time to listen to my song
  2) For actually thinking about the song and the
  orchestration
  3) For spending time and replying to the song
  either by personal email or through this forum.
  
  About unmai-vilambi's comment:
  Your comments are taken with all respect. A
  lot of people have told me this -- that there is
  a lot of politics out there... but it's difficult
  for me to explain why I'm trying to do all this.
  I believe in destiny and in self-realization and
  actualization. I've tried to look into this
  matter with as much introspection as possible and
  though one can never KNOW what HE IS, one CAN and
  I believe one SHOULD TRY TO KNOW. And among other
  things, I feel that the only way I can actualize
  myself is if I really give this venture a shot.
  I may be successful, very possibly may not, but
  it is important for me to know that I tried...
  and in that I actualize myself. Thanks for your
  concern ... will keep that in mind.
  
  Gopal: Did you get the email I sent you? Your
  vaazhthukkal are accepted with all mariyaadhai!
  Thanks bha!
  
  Sunil, aruLarasan, Ravichandran: Nandri. BTW,
  is aruLarasan == Rajan? I got two emails from
  your address -- one signed Rajan and Leonard and
  one signed aruLarasan. Idhu enna kozhappam?
  
  I've also gotten some honest criticisms about
  the song which I very much appreciate. Some of
  those:
  
  1) The starting piece is pretty normal:
  I was trying to set the initial mood for
  an overcast sky and the subject of the song being
  alone, enjoying the nature. Every piece is not
  meant to be highly exciting, because it makes
  exciting pieces normal.
  
  2) The drum machine programming is crude:
  True. You should understand that I'm not
  a well-equipped musician with a sound studio. I
  have the Yamaha PSR-510 keyboard and four track
  recorder -- that was about all I had for this
  song. I used the drum pads on the keyboard and
  it allows you to have just a couple or so of
  drum sequences to be stored. Also it has just
  six tracks and it runs out of memory after about
  3 minutes of sequencing. So, memory was a
  scarce resource. I sequenced about 3 minutes,
  then recorded it onto my 4-track. Then sequenced
  another 3 minutes -- appended it with the first
  3 minutes. Then added a couple of tracks --
  pretty messy huh?
  
  3) Voice?!!!:
  I'm not the greatest voice around and that's
  pretty obvious. To add to my misery, I added
  echo spatial effect using my AIWA system
  Karaoke!!! No effects processor, whatsoever!
  Definitely makes things worse.
  
  I'm not making excuses. I'm learning and
  have a lot to learn. I appreciate your comments
  and hope you'll all be honest with me. Its
  wrong for me to expect everybody to like my
  music -- everybody doesn't like IR or ARR or
  even Mozart for God's sake! But please do keep
  your honest comments coming and you'll get my
  equally honest responses.
  
  Thanks all!
  
  -TRV
  "There are 3 types of people. Those who can
  count ... and those who can't"
  
  
• From: Dr.Siva (@ ts001d15.tor-cn.concentric.net) on: Sun Oct 19 19:15:09 EDT 1997
  
  Dear TRV:
  
  I could not download the file...in spite of trying repeatedly...from both the sites..I can comment only if I hear..
  
  Meanwhile...I am in the field of music for the last 35 years...worked in Films Division New DElhi with Anil Biswas, Satish Bhatia, Raas Dutta etc etc for over 10 years...I have my digital project studio in Toronto...and have released my first album last year.This year I am releasing three more albums..believe me it is a tough world out there... I know I am ready to score music for films since ten years...and I haven't succeeded yet...but like most others' comment...it is no harm trying..specially when people with least talent and best sucking-up capabilities are out there..in India.
  
  
  Why don't you check out my site...
  http://www.concentric.net/~Art-east/
  and visit the studio page to listen to some songs on realaudio.?
  
  I do music on over 100 tracks...and use as good or even better equipment than ARR!!. I write, Compose, arrange, play, track and sequence,sing, play the audio percussions like tabla etc..all by myself...it takes me close to a year doing an album..!!!!
  
  Good luck!
  
  Dr.Siva (Panchum)
  
  
• From: TRV (@ tvenkata.qualcomm.com) on: Mon Oct 20 17:43:00 EDT 1997
  
  Dr. Siva:
  First of all let me thank you because you
  are such an experienced person in this field and
  I really appreciate the fact that you took your
  time to respond to me.
  
  I visited your site and was able to catch
  only 3 samples from bhajans of yours. Are there
  any other samples?
  
  
• From: Dr. Siva (@ ts006d22.tor-cn.concentric.net) on: Tue Oct 21 11:12:30 EDT 1997
  
  Dear TRV:
  
  Right now only three songs are there... I will be putting the others soon after launching the other three albums.
  The first one is a classical vadyavrindam with carnatak and hindusthani musicians and 20 singers, blending with western jazz and pop...recorded live in Kuwait. It took us 6 months to get it ready with a 45 piece orchestra..live
  
  The second one is a Hindi pop album ...todays fever..! with a song in punjabi..all set to rock pop soul etc..etc. I am making a music video for this by Jan and then release the album after that.
  
  The third is a tamil film music album with IR's songs..with instrumental tracks..
  
  You are right..you must protect your composition..
  Firstly get them copyrighted either by sending to the American Association of Composers or to the SOCAN ( in Canada) or by punching the album in a reputed company ( the costly way!!!)
  
  I have distributed 'Anjali exteremely well in North America and taking it now to Far east UK and Europe and to India!! soon..
  
  Distribution is 10 times harder than composing and recording. Getting into Film music is 10 times harder than promoting your own work.. I have a lot of friends in the Cine Circle...in Bombay, Madras and Delhi..but getting the right break is the hard part..I will leave everything and go if I get that..!!
  
  Good luck and keep in touch!!
  
  
  By the way...send me your sample ..so I can comment..
  
  Dr. Siva
  
  
• From: Dr. Siva (@ ts006d22.tor-cn.concentric.net) on: Tue Oct 21 11:25:02 EDT 1997
  
  Dear TRV:(cont'd)
  
  My advise is not to make comments on compressed audio files . These are only for an idea of the music.. .. and in mono..In fact my samples of the Bhajans are a far cry from the actual DDD CD recorded on 100 tracks and in full Stereo wirh 270 degrees of effects..If you get a CD ,...play it on a good system with good speakers and ..you will know the difference.
  If you want a copy e-mail me for info..
  So...even if others listen to your sample on the net it may not be a correct assessment.. I thought I should make you aware..
  
  Dr. Siva
  
  Good luck.!
  Dr Siva
  
  
• From: Vinod (@ ww-ti65.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Oct 23 23:24:42 EDT 1997
  
  Hello TRV,
  
  Song nalla irrukku... Neengal ungal muyarchiyil nicchayam vetri peruveergal...
  
  Vinod
  
  
  

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