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Most Sensational Album Ever (after all these years of discussion)

Topic started by Gyan (@ 4.159.241.115) on Wed Aug 25 16:15:15 EDT 2004.
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If this topic is repeated before, I meant to ask all veterans in the forum, what they will NOW think has been the most sensational album ever in their lives. Surrounding the release and emotional impact on the fan and many people at the time. For me, Priya,KaviKkuyil, Ilamai Oonjaladigirathu, Payanangal Mudiyvathillai etc.. most of IR' 70s-80s were number 1 or so. But, recent times I rediscovered two albums and the news at that time for these two albums.

My No. 1 is Ninaithaley Innikkum - why? at that time even kids were worried that MSV was toppled by IR forever, but the comeback by MSV has no parallel - this is more earth shattering that Hotel California or Thriller albums. Even, the outrageousness of the compositions, singing of SPB, two would-be revolutioanry superstars (Rajni, Kamal) all bring back fond memories of the times, though I didn't know who MSV or IR was at that time.

No. 2: Punnagai Mannan: I just discovered the melodiousness of most of the songs. At that time, there was uproar that IR was going to take away musician jobs by computerized music and so I said to myself no artificial music for me and so avoided this album for maybe over a decade!!!!

No. 3: Ilamai Oonjaladigarathu & Priya (together were the challenge for Ninaithaley Innikkum): Sensationalism at the highest, unbelievable news these two movies, KJYesudas (peak in Hindi), Rajani controversies, and IR' Tarangini recordings.....

These I believe will are my all time no.1 thru 3s!!!!

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Responses:

• From: Trampoline (@ 130.127.104.35) on: Wed Aug 25 21:52:27 EDT 2004
  
  Roja.
  
  
• From: zz (@ 203.145.174.4) on: Thu Aug 26 07:13:59 EDT 2004
  
  Truely..Roja and probably Gentleman...as it revolutionised songs and song picturisation...The whole concept to song listening, rating...countdown...market value started in this period...
  
  Accept it or not the trend was set at that time and as Anu Malik has said in his recent interview (well this time he talked a little sense), almost everybody followed ARR's trend from there on Blindly...(Exceptions like IR and few more were there but the overall trend changed and nobody could reverse it to its old fashion or bring a entire new trend altogether, till now.
  
  
• From: Note Man (@ 24.11.160.43) on: Thu Aug 26 11:52:45 EDT 2004
  
  zz,
  
  From what I know, Annakilli was the most sensational album at that time. There were a lot of things introduced by this album
  
  1. People actually came to see IR at the 100 days function of the movie
  
  2. People started asking the name of the MD, the MD was, for the first time, no longer in the background, he was as important as the director.
  
  3. Cassette and LP sales sky rocketed due to the trend introduced by this movie. People started buying more music as against passively listening to songs in the theatre.
  
  4. People started making comparisons among MDs like IR and MSV, before their time there was no such trend.
  
  There are older people in this forum who know a lot more about the trends started by this movie, like MD getting top billing along side stars, lyricists like KD,etc.
  
  " The whole concept to song listening, rating...countdown...market value started in this period"
  
  Dude, song listening and market values existed before Roja. In fact, many movies used to run only on IRs name. No other MD before him had this drawing power. And, even now offbeat movies like Azhagi, Sethu, getting audience due to IR. I remember songless movies getting release with the credits saying BGM by IR and people discussing the BGMs of IR in video cassette shops.
  
  Some pre-ARR trends,
  
  Take for E.g., Gharshana, the first album in south india (on in India) made without the use of tabla throughout. Or take the example of punnagai mannan the first movie to use computerised music, composed and conducted that is. These are all the trends introduced by IR.
  
  Also, I don't think people like Manisharma, Vidyasagar, YSR, Devi Sri Prasad.. don't follow ARR's trend. They have their own style of composing, which in fact, is more similar to IRs style.
  
  
• From: Gyan (@ 4.158.117.161) on: Thu Aug 26 12:25:48 EDT 2004
  
  Note Man: IR intro 76, MGR vicotry 77, Rajani sensation 78, But,that particular MSV vs. IR, KB vs. Sridhar NI vs Ilamai Onjadikirathu; "Egneyum Eppodhum (India' best pre-quel to Hotel California and has no comparison) vs. Ennadi Menatchi (India' pre-quel to MJ' Beat It) "; MSV's bewildering Siva Sambo - this was the ultimate battle of wits, ultimate competition anywhere in the world - even today for me. MSV won, but apparently he gave almost his entire energies for that movie to close down the 70s musical phenomenon.
  
  Annakkili was sensational but involved only IR and SJ. It defined post-MGR & post-MSV times to come. It gave us hope that incredible music will continue to come like water.... That now we can idolize a music composer as well........
  
  But, NI the title itself says it. EENI - Engeyum Eppodhum Ninaithaile Innikkum.
  
  Roja, for me was start of a new cycle for music, but back to the basics, from sa ri ga ma pa tha ni sa..... ;---)
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Thu Aug 26 12:27:17 EDT 2004
  
  Note man,
  
  "Also, I don't think people like Manisharma, Vidyasagar, YSR, Devi Sri Prasad.. don't follow ARR's trend. They have their own style of composing, which in fact, is more similar to IRs style."
  
  If their style is similar to IR's syle, how can it be their own style???
  
  Anyways, in my opinion, few of the most sensational albums are:
  1.) Annakili
  2.) Roja
  3.) Minnale
  
  Not quite incidentally, these are the first albums of IR, ARR and HR. They are sensational not only in terms of the music, popularity or casette/cd sales when they were released, but also the way they are being referred to even after so many years.
  
  These albums are sensational because they brought out new Music Directors into the TFM.
  
  In the same vein, they will not be as sensational if the music was not a big hit. Point in case, first movie of YSR anyone??? (I think it is Arvanindan or Alexander, I am not sure...)
  
  
• From: Gyan (@ 4.158.117.161) on: Thu Aug 26 12:29:34 EDT 2004
  
  Note Man, I want to include Annakkilli & KaviKuyil at No.2 togethter; after NI and IO together at No.1, but NI is our "Sound Of Music", don't you think? I would remake NI with the same star cast if possible, if I had the money ;---) with a super orchestra.... this album' rhythms is unbelievable as well - from MSV?
  
  
• From: app_engine (@ 136.1.1.154) on: Thu Aug 26 13:32:49 EDT 2004
  
  Gyan,
  Despite all the `sensation' that NI album had, the film failed to create the same sensation but an utter flop...In many centers, it didn't even run beyond 25 days...
  
  Compare that with annakkiLi or Roja or Payanangal mudivadhillai or minnale, average films that became big hits thanks mainly to music...
  
  You can say NI a consummate album, but sensational? nop...
  
  
• From: Note Man (@ 24.11.160.43) on: Thu Aug 26 13:43:06 EDT 2004
  
  Dude,
  
  "If their style is similar to IR's syle, how can it be their own style???" (one question mark :> )
  
  You really are a dude. Similar is not the same as Same. Difference is, they do not employ similar sound/recording techniques employed by ARR or HJ. And, everyone's composing (not orchestrizing) styles are similar/same, because the fundamentals of music ( as we know it WCM or Carnatic or Hindustani, ICM ) are well developed and people use the same basics for composing. So, there remains the similarity aspect. There will be differences in orchestrizing which make each MD stand out from each other. But at a high level, I can say that ARR and HJ have a different style than IR and others.
  
  Roja / Minnale--unfair comparison
  
  Roja was sensational because of the recording quality and sound techniques and it was the first album to truly challenge IR's authority in TFM.
  Even SAR pudhu vasantham caused quite a stir in those days. Minnale was more of a curiosity for people. Quite unlike Agni Natchitaram (Gharshana in Telugu) or Anjali which caused ripples out of the blue.
  
  Gyan,
  NI, in Saravanan's words it was a landmark album in TFM. Regarding sensationalism, I think only people who experienced the release of NI and the associated euphoria can give a proper account.
  Actually, according to some older people, it seems that MSV was more challenged at the advent of IR and some of his albums post-IR were sensational.
  
  There was one sensational album we are missing from this discussion, one which actually challenged MSV at his own level instead of on the mass appeal that IRs songs had gained. That album is Nizhalgal. This was the album which I believe established IR as a true challenger. What is your opinion?
  
  
• From: app_engine (@ 136.1.1.154) on: Thu Aug 26 13:57:43 EDT 2004
  
  If NI had made such a strong impression (aka sensation), then it should have : 1. at least made the film a hit (failed) 2. created a musical trend that was followed by many (not so much) 3. should have been popular in patti-thotti (never popular in villages) 4. brought about some kind of cultural change (iLamai oonjalAdukiradhu brought music to tea shops and buses) 5. should have longevity (didn't live as long as the prior works of MSV, including the MGR songs) It's a good, great, musical album; can be counted among the all-time-greats. However, as the title of the thread goes, `sensational', it cannot be termed at all!
  
  
• From: app_engine (@ 136.1.1.154) on: Thu Aug 26 14:16:26 EDT 2004
  
  Talking of `sensational' ones, though cannot be called the `most sensational', one album which was a trend setter was SKV...I don't have to emphasize what trend it set:-)
  
  
• From: mb (@ 219.65.107.181) on: Thu Aug 26 14:19:25 EDT 2004
  
  Music in Tamil Cinema has successful people MSV, IR.
  The guys established their authority, scared the competition away by setting high standards, and captivated Tamils with their music.
  But the greatest glory is conquering the unknown. That's highly sensational.
  1. Rangela - A Tamil conquers Bollywood with his Music.
  2. Dilse - An Indian conquers a Brit's heart, Bombay dreams happens, Indian Music goes Global.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.229.165) on: Thu Aug 26 15:16:19 EDT 2004
  
  Note Man,
  
  Nizhalgal---> 'Pudhu Raagam Padaipathalae naanum IRaivanae' :-)
  
  

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