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Can Ialyaraja survive without budget & masala movie makers?

Topic started by ST (@ 64.229.176.101) on Fri Jul 26 10:20:38 EDT 2002.
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I did not here IR scoring music for any popular directors or actors in recent years but he still scoring music. That tends to suggest that he is heavily depending on budget & masala movie makers. What do you all think?.

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Responses:

• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Fri Jul 26 15:14:59 EDT 2002
  
  hmmm....
  
  Bala (Sethu), Thangar Bachan (Azhagi), Vinayan (Kaasi). Three directors who delivered bumper hits with no pre-release hype or big banner backing, all music by IR. Today, they're among the most sought after and 'popular' directors and IR continues doing their new films. The Balu Mahendra-IR combo, meanwhile, has launched a new film..
  
  Oscar Films, one of the biggest banners in thamizh industry, has 3 films on the floors simultaneously - En Mana Vaanil, Manasellam, Ramana. IR works on all three, set in 3 distinctly different themes - rural sentiment, teen romance, social action
  
  Most, read MOST, of the critically acclaimed (few commercially hits as well) movies of the past few years have had IR's music - Kutty, Bharathi, Azhagi, Kaatrukkenna Veli, Hey Raam, ... With 'Kamarajar', Adoor Gopalakrishnan's 'Nizhalkuthu', the list continues..
  
  Call it cronyism, call it whatever, 25 years after he came into the field, he still has movies launched with just his photograph or featuring him at the centre of their publicity. So evidently, within the industry he has no dearth of ardent fans, hangers-on, sycophants, whichever way you choose to look at it..
  
  He still picks and chooses, arguably unwisely, the directors, actors and producers he is comfortable working with. It is on record that he rejected several 'big' movies despite significant commercial prospects
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 202.9.147.160) on: Mon Jul 29 01:29:36 EDT 2002
  
  apdi podu
  
  
• From: Deepak (@ 146.235.2.37) on: Mon Jul 29 13:07:03 EDT 2002
  
  Suresh, In your list of critically acclaimed movies, please include Karuvelam Pookal
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 68.13.243.166) on: Mon Jul 29 14:02:29 EDT 2002
  
  suresh, nice posting:-)
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Mon Jul 29 15:30:49 EDT 2002
  
  ST
  
  Do you think popular directors are not making masala movies? they are making popular masala movies.
  
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.222.22) on: Mon Jul 29 16:23:20 EDT 2002
  
  NCR
  
  even that's the case the do not pick up the masala king IR for their ventures. Why is that?....
  
  
• From: (:-)) (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Tue Jul 30 00:09:35 EDT 2002
  
  "Can Ialyaraja survive without budget & masala movie makers?"
  
  who is this compose called Ialyaraja ? :-)
  
  
• From: (:-)) (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Tue Jul 30 00:10:01 EDT 2002
  
  composer not compose :-)
  
  
• From: a (@ 156.153.254.41) on: Tue Jul 30 01:11:29 EDT 2002
  
  (:-))
  Well he has survived with out budget and masala.
  Example- he was approached by parthiban literally when he had no money to pay him for him movie and asked IR to score music. He clearly said to IT that he would pay after the movie is released and depending upon the sucess of the movie.
  And Ilaiyaraaja happyly did his job.
  This sort of human touch make dthe difference between IR and other so called MD's.
  
  
• From: Are yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Tue Jul 30 06:52:21 EDT 2002
  
  ARR composed Anthimanthaarai for Bharathiraja with out getting sing paise till date. That film got award at national level. Admitted by Bharathi raja himself in some magazine.
  
  Not that IR is the lone karna.
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.178.195) on: Tue Jul 30 12:38:01 EDT 2002
  
  IR only worth in thousands and ARR worth in millions. For IR it only takes 1 day to complete a film and if he offer that to some one for free of charge he is not going to loose anything. Even ARR charge in millions to score music for a film, the producers would easily recover that amount by selling audio rights throughout the world. So in short, IR is selling cheap stuff where people can get many better substitute from many other MD's in the market today. Masala & budget movie makers are the ideal source for his volume business.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Tue Jul 30 13:09:37 EDT 2002
  
  ARR composed Anthimanthaarai for Bharathiraja with out getting sing paise till date.
  
  This can be justified as the movie (Un)fortunately had no songs at all.
  
  3 soap vaanginaa oru soap ilavasam..athu maathiriyaa..:-)))
  
  
• From: Deepak (@ 146.235.2.37) on: Tue Jul 30 13:34:05 EDT 2002
  
  Fliflo... that is not a fair statement!!
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.138) on: Tue Jul 30 13:47:42 EDT 2002
  
  " From: ST (@ 64.229.178.195) on: Tue Jul 30 12:38:01 EDT 2002
  
  IR only worth in thousands and ARR worth in millions. For IR it only takes 1 day to complete a film and if he offer that to some one for free of charge he is not going to loose anything. Even ARR charge in millions to score music for a film, the producers would easily recover that amount by selling audio rights throughout the world. So in short, IR is selling cheap stuff where people can get many better substitute from many other MD's in the market today. Masala & budget movie makers are the ideal source for his volume business."
  
  that's funny. how come HIS music,quality wise, speaks tons of goodness and gives goosebumps and the others' do not??
  
  wow..can't imagine how HIS output'll be when HE starts giving music to non-budget movies and non-masala movies!!!
  
  hmmm...
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.178.195) on: Tue Jul 30 14:48:09 EDT 2002
  
  Well ambleen, if facts sounds funny to you then of course IR's irritating music should sound good ragas to you !!!
  
  
• From: ST knows what he's talking!! (@ 195.93.34.161) on: Tue Jul 30 15:40:08 EDT 2002
  
  
  hmmm...
  thats absolutetly true ST!!
  i wish IR makes music for movies like ali arjuna, thenali, star, parthaley paravasam,rhythm and padayappa etc which are non budget and non masala movies and give us some outstanding music!!!!
  
  
• From: Masala Movie (@ 12.162.224.5) on: Tue Jul 30 16:22:22 EDT 2002
  
  Do they sell common sense somewhere? Yaarvathu ST-ikku konjam vaangi kodungapa.. please..
  
  
• From: Are yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Wed Jul 31 05:48:57 EDT 2002
  
  Flifo:
  Do you know that it has no songs? It has two complete songs and a cassette was released with songs and some BGM themes. It was an art movie and when ARR was in his initial peak as most successful comercial composer, he did this film and you should see the film for Vijay kumar's acting and wonderful BGM. Summa udhar vittukittu irukka koodadhu. Again, IR is not the only pari vallal here..that is what I wanted to say.
  
  Still MR pays a pie nut amount to ARR. For that matter to whomever her works with.
  
  What's the big deal in starving were you are already poor.
  If you are rich and wealthy and still starve for others then, there is some meaning. Hope you understand.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.161.142) on: Wed Jul 31 06:29:32 EDT 2002
  
  Are yaar:
  
  I wasted my precious 2 hours time in watching this movie Anthimantharai. I do not remember seeing any song in the movie (if you have seen it kindly remind me the situation. Atleast tell me few words of the song. May be it's just on the cassette cover.)
  
  "Summa udhar vittukittu irukka koodadhu"
  
  My point was genuine as I saw this movie in 1996 in Udhayam complex, Madras.
  
  Still MR pays a pie nut amount to ARR.
  
  I have no Idea. I donno where you got this info from. If it is purely your guess then your own last statement fits you nicely.
  
  
  
• From: a (@ 156.153.254.42) on: Wed Jul 31 08:24:40 EDT 2002
  
  Are yaar
  Did I write word like "karna" or tell anything related to karna or compared it to karna....
  Not at all....
  I don't where u seen such words....
  
  ST can u tell what is cheap means for u?
  
  >>Even ARR charge in millions to score music for a film, the producers would easily recover that amount by selling audio rights throughout the world. << I will not comment on this....time will say.
  
  Pesonal opinions....
  
  IR's presence makes a difference for the movie completely. Right from direction, editing, BGM and even the dialogue delivary etc.
  
  I have not seen MR movies in cinema halls for long time now. Except Roja, I tried to watch, don't feel like watching dumb MR, BR movies with out IR.
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.220.173) on: Wed Jul 31 09:40:16 EDT 2002
  
  Fliflo:
  
  did you watch the Anthimantharai film without the sound turned on?. There are 2 complete songs in that movie. You can only watch IR's films like that and call it a great piece of music !!!
  
  a (@ 156.153.254.42) :
  
  Cheap means something you produce at a lower cost and sell it with low price tag(IR's charge for a movie Vs ARR). If you can't watch a movie without dump IR's music then that's your personal problem and curing it may be an expensive one. Why don't you stick to cheap IR's stuff for the time being?.
  
  
• From: Kannan (@ 194.201.128.5) on: Wed Jul 31 09:42:08 EDT 2002
  
  sari...... marupadiyum aarambichchacha......
  
  Like suresh.... why can't the rest make a point without having to dish dirt on the other....
  
  Aaandava... for once stop dissing others and debate the subject in hand instead of searching for ideas on how to launch another scathing attack....
  
  Pls consider :)
  
  
  Now back to the subject on hand >>>
  
  I agree with suresh.... although we have to admit that some of IRs recent experiments have gone horribly wrong where, a few years back we would've been more than happy to say that "atleast he's trying".
  
  :)
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Jul 31 10:09:12 EDT 2002
  
  ST:
  
  Thanks for clarifying. After checking the concerned website I understood the reason for my doubt. The website says
  
  "This album was a promotional audio for the movie "Anthimantharai" which had just a few snatches of these songs in the background"
  
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.220.173) on: Wed Jul 31 10:56:49 EDT 2002
  
  OK Fliflo, why did you say that you have wasted 2 hours watching the movie?. Was it a lie?.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 170.35.240.203) on: Wed Jul 31 11:03:52 EDT 2002
  
  and there was someone who was saying "ARR" fans are decent, blah blah..... hmm... i wish i knew where they r now :-)...
  
  Fliflo, Anthimandharai had a song like "Sagiyee" or something, a good number....
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Wed Jul 31 11:19:55 EDT 2002
  
  "OK Fliflo, why did you say that you have wasted 2 hours watching the movie? Was it a lie?"
  
  I donno what makes you think that. IMHO..BR tried to picturise psuedo-realism in very dry sense and not many had the patience to watch till the end. The movie was an utter flop in every sense (I am sure you're going to raise a counter point here).
  Though one or 2 songs were enlisted, one never feels them as only parts of them were amalgamated with the scenes. In the real sense, I would rather assume them to be BGMs than real, megasongs!
  
  
• From: ST (@ 64.229.220.173) on: Wed Jul 31 14:37:06 EDT 2002
  
  Fliflo, now I understand that you can't remember any songs if it is not amalgamated with the story lines or scenes. But what I don't understand is how you remember any of IR's songs for the last 10 years?.
  
  

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