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Does ARR music have a strong islamic flavour???

Topic started by WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on Tue Sep 4 11:33:36 EDT 2001.
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I have a friend whose father feels ARR introduces his religion in his music, especially the way he begins certain songs like Oorvasi from Kadhalan...
Is it true???

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Responses:

• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Sep 4 12:58:37 EDT 2001
  
  It will be interesting to hear people's views.
  
  
• From: hemant (@ 202.9.133.46) on: Tue Sep 4 14:03:48 EDT 2001
  
  Dear friend.,
  I feel that Rahman does bring a bit of religion in his music. Being a Rahman fan from the south myself., I would say that there is an infusion of religion in his songs & it's workin like magic, I mean sounds really good becuz I guess it comes from his heart & soul & is so pure in it's rendition.,well There are a lot of songs where we can hear it like some background score in BOMBAY., some in Dil hi dil mei., etc etc.
  Whatever it does sound different., fresh & very soothing...three cheers to the "Scores from his HEART" now & forever.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.244) on: Tue Sep 4 16:28:32 EDT 2001
  
  Well...when we can have Vedic chants and Christian choirs..why not Islamic ?
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.244) on: Tue Sep 4 16:35:06 EDT 2001
  
  Anyway...this thread itself shouldn't have been worded the way it has been...would make someone think of religious bias....
  
  
• From: marathamizhan (@ 128.186.118.144) on: Tue Sep 4 17:33:08 EDT 2001
  
  hey i guess this topic is totally unnecessary...aerkanavery orey sandai...aen eriyara neruppula ennai?
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Tue Sep 4 17:53:43 EDT 2001
  
  I agree that is true! he does bring islamic flavor!
  
  Since he does also add some "slokas" and hindu oriented stuff into music. We can safely say he is balanced.
  
  I have read reports that he tried to intro islam to his co-workers. I dont belive that it is true. as his close friend srinivas and other have denied it. Even if i like arr, i wudnt be happy! if he was actually guilty of such a crime.Right now I think he is not guilty and lets hope its true!
  
  
• From: NAGARAJAN (@ 193.194.181.79) on: Tue Sep 4 18:42:53 EDT 2001
  
  The truth is ARR is a person who was converted into a Muslim. (whatever may be the reason).
  He has scored a song in 'Pudiya Mugam' (song starts with sambo..) where the scene is showing some people in Hindu saint dress doing some wrong thing.
  I am sure he will never score a song showing Muslims doing bad things
  
  
• From: arr fan (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Tue Sep 4 18:53:47 EDT 2001
  
  
  nagarajan ramakrishanan sir,
  how is arr responsible for this ?
  
  have u heard the song oh lanka srilanka, where the first lines are toally a insult to hindus...
  Can we blame the music director for that, no!..blame the director.
  
  pudiyamugam movie was directed by suresh menon,
  infact arr was unhappy for the picturization of the songs. He denied to do next movie by suresh menon, V.S.Narashiman was the md for his next movie.
  Pleaser dont paint reglious colours! just for the heck of it.
  
  guys! this thread is totall nonsense.
  
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.244) on: Wed Sep 5 01:38:25 EDT 2001
  
  
  WhyNot, WHY NOT?
  What's wrong if he has some positive message? While demeaning other beliefs is certainly deplorable, if some promotes something that he very strongly believes good & it'll affect the lives of others positively, I don't see anything wrong in it. (Whether it is done by ARR or movie director or producer -whoever)
  
  When BR makes Karthik & Radha throw away their religious symbols (even after making use of the richness in religious music in the intro of the song `kAdhal Ovium'), everyone praises him greatly. At least similar treatment for the opposite group also is not out of place, IMHO. After all, it's a free country:-)) In any case, it's better than the mukkal munagals promoted in 80's for silku songs:-(
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Wed Sep 5 04:16:41 EDT 2001
  
  IFM and TFM is truly a picture of religious harmony :
  
  IlaiyaRaja - AR Rahman - Harris Jeyraj
  
  Shankar Mahadevan - Ehsan Noorani - Loy Mendoza
  
  Any more proof required ?
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Wed Sep 5 04:27:32 EDT 2001
  
  >>the way he begins certain songs like Oorvasi from Kadhalan... Is it true??? <<
  
  Actually the way he has used a map of the Muslim prayer call in the Oorvasi song...fundamentalists can even pass a ______...!!!
  So even though ARR is a devout muslim..he has no ulterior motives...my feeling is the phenomenon of ARR occured at the right time - a God send not to tarnish India's reputation....1993....when Ram Janmabhoomi was at its peak and the demolition...it was during such a troubled period, a moslem made the whole of India rock to his tunes..winning a place in their hearts irrespective of caste or creed !
  Do you also know that some fundamentalists raised a big objection to ARR using a Quran verse in "Bombay" in a scene where Manisha runs away from home...I read that the verse is suposed to mean something like "love above all" (could someone pls clarify)?
  The problem is just like we Hindus saw the degeneration of our religious practices with the passage of time and have such stigmas as the caste system...Islam too - the way Prophet Mohammed (p.b.u.h.) had taught it has been misinterpreted and misused...and Western media has added extra spice and colorings...to give Islam a totally different shade !
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Wed Sep 5 04:53:00 EDT 2001
  
  why everyone seems to be so tense? after all there is nothing vicious in this thread.
  
  if arr's music contains islamic flavour, nothing wrong in it!
  
  and if someone asks, it it true, there is nothing wrong in it either. say yes or no. unless, he seems to be biased or shown hatred, there is nothing wrong in asking such questions.
  
  when talking about minorities people imagine things and become reserved and overcautious.
  
  may be this just reflects the state of our country.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Wed Sep 5 05:15:04 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician,
  
  i didnt know that IR, ARR and HJ did music together. It is really an event that needs "HAI" exclamation ie. Harris ARR IR.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Wed Sep 5 05:17:32 EDT 2001
  
  Mahabs...the question here is the way the topic has been described.."introduces his religion in his music".....this kind of implies that ARR is trying to be a propagandist....I think the attempt was more at being novel...can you recall any song before OOrvasi in TFM having a Islamic hook in a "jolly" number ?
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Wed Sep 5 05:19:32 EDT 2001
  
  Kupps :)
  
  No I meant that TFM had IR, ARR and HJ..not that they did music together !
  
  I think the S - E- L mention in the next line misguided you..what was meant all the three in the two sets are from different religious backgrounds.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Wed Sep 5 10:25:36 EDT 2001
  
  Hey hey, ok my friend's father is biased. But I am not. I jus like ARR, his music and I am a die-hard fan. And i jus heard from somone tat he used sufi music for Dil Se. But hey, I'm not complaining. I loved it!
  
  
• From: Maran (@ 203.106.65.60) on: Wed Sep 5 10:41:27 EDT 2001
  
  Oh my god! I can't beleive what I am reading! Guys, let us not bring RELIGION into MUSIC! Music is the one things that is supposed to not have color, race, religion or gander. Music is universal, music is for all. If a particular type of music is good, let us all listen to it...if it's not good, then let the others who feel it's god listen to it.
  
  Music's beauty is in the ears of the listener (as beauty in general is in the eye of beholder)
  
  According to Sting, music in itself is a religion. Please read his speech at http://www.illuminated.co.uk/comment/commencement.html
  
  
  
• From: Maran (@ 203.106.65.60) on: Wed Sep 5 10:43:24 EDT 2001
  
  >> If a particular type of music is good, let us all listen to it...if it's not good, then let the others who feel it's GOOD listen to it.<<<
  
  sorry, TYPO error
  
  
• From: Ennatha Kannaiya (@ 140.80.199.91) on: Wed Sep 5 11:40:04 EDT 2001
  
  Ennatha religious flavour !
  Ennatha AR Rahman !
  Religious flavour iruntha enna illaatti enna?
  AR Rahman music potta enna podaatti enna?
  Velaiya paarungada Dey
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.237) on: Thu Sep 6 05:23:08 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks for that nice link Maran
  
  
• From: Maran (@ 203.106.65.60) on: Thu Sep 6 08:48:59 EDT 2001
  
  No problem cosmician ;)
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Sep 6 09:27:38 EDT 2001
  
  >>Does ARR music have a strong islamic flavour???<<
  
  does it really matter, if he has strong islamic flavour???, as long as he gives some good music, which he is doing now, this islamic, hindu flavour shoul not really matter.
  
  ARR was hindu, but due circumstances he was converted to be a muslim!
  
  I think he favours the northies (Hindi films) than the southies(tamil&Telugu), which is quite sad, he is not the only person (eg, Sridevi, Hema malini, Meenakshi) who used his Nativelanguage to get famous, once achieved he forgets about the mother native language & favours the North.
  
  I think that this really sucks big time!
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137) on: Thu Sep 6 10:02:58 EDT 2001
  
  Guys
  Please for heavensake leave the religious thing and look at music. Religion is so personal thing and I dont think that should stop from one giving a good tunes. Those beings who are so involved in music see God in music unlike the half baked people who mix up things.
  Tabla mastero Allah Rakha(father of Zakir Hussain) has composed songs on Lord Shiva that doesnt mean he is not a devout moslem or vice versa PadmaShri Yesudas is singing so many songs on Hindu God and we all listen to it and also connect spiritually by listening to those songs. so that doesnt make him less Christian. So please put to end to this kind of discussion please.
  Lets not get blinded by such ignorance.
  As the Rigveda says
  "Ekam sat viprah bahudha vadanti"- which means
  "That which is the Sole Truth, the learned call by many names”.
  "Yadum Ore yavarum Kelir"
  So Peace to you all
  Chill out
  Discussion Closed Period.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.131) on: Thu Sep 6 12:44:56 EDT 2001
  
  Aren't U contradicting yourself UV??
  First u say 'leave the religious thing and look at music' then u contradict yourself by giving several examples of exactly how they mix.
  Wat's interesting about this topic is how those who disagree vehemently are also the first ones to jump to conclusions by assuming the negative shades of the matter. (U are so right Mahab.)
  If there's nothing wrong with religion in music, then what's wrong with ARR having islamic flavour? The qn didn't quite state (except to the eyes of the corrupted or ok let's be nicer, the eyes of the pessimistic mind) tat there was anything particularly wrong with having islamic flavour in ARR's music right? Yet all of you who deny this is true go on in the same breath to describe exactly why there's nothing wrong with this. Then why deny it in the first place?
  To those idealistic people like Maran with their heads in the clouds, get down back to reality!
  Music and religion have been historically interwined in all parts of the world. So much so there is not one without the other!
  Have u seen Saraswati without her veenai? How about all the Sivan bhajans that go 'dum dum dum dum dumaru baje'? And the flute which is also called Murali, Murali-krishna who did wondrous tricks with his instrument.
  And if u research the origin of most classical western instruments most of their roots stem from some use in some church in some form or other.
  And there is such a thing as Sufi music.
  And since asking the 'Question' in debate, I have been passed a few links by a friend which I leave you with..
  
  To read about religious infusions in arr music, follow this:
  http://www.the-week.com/21jun03/enter.htm
  
  To read how in arr's interviews where he agrees to using the divine sufi music, follow these:
  http://www.rahmanonline.com/articles/chhaiya.shtml
  http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~kailasan/interviews/rediff_bombay_dreams2.htm
  
  
  

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