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ARR cant stay for long time but he is , how ??

Topic started by Jalak (@ 210.88.56.56) on Fri Jun 15 03:47:43 EDT 2001.
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Drawbacks of a person gives way to others to come in.
Ex : IR drawback is not keeping good relations with others.
With this drawback also He was able to rule about 25 years means it is only the talent.
Now also He can come back and rule if he shows bit
of attention.

Now comming to the drawbacks of ARR ( A wind )

1. Lack of creativity
( already there r talks about his repeated tunes )

2. Late composition.
People will not wait for long time for listerning to new albulms.
They will try other options as He could not give
enough albulms.
There r many possibilities for othere MDS to
enter in the time gap.

Even directors cant wait for too delay in release.
They will wait if they get all hits from him.
If they get 2 / 3 successive flops they will get idea of trying with others.

3. Dependency :
He wants the director to be skilled to extract the good in him.
It is clear that He can give hits only to big directors.

4.Giving preference only to directors.
I cant give clear explanation as I dont know the facts.

There may be others which I may know as I dont know him in person.

Ther is one advantage to him from his second drawback.
He does only some films and any MD can get 4 / 5
films every year.
As the albulms come with delay,It takes time for people to decide his downfall.
If he gets one click again hopes will be there,
For his next few albulms it takes some years.


I am 100 % sure that If ARR could give albulms
fast, He would have been decided by now.

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Responses:

• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Jun 15 14:14:09 EDT 2001
  
  Jalak
  
  U r another newcomer to this forum starting the same old IR-ARR fight. U have pre conceived notions that 1 is greater than other and want to desparately prove ur point in public... the public here r tired of such gimmicks... i respond to u only bcoz ur post was more funny(self contradictory) than anything else i have seen so far.
  
  
  //"With this drawback also He was able to rule about 25 years means it is only the talent"//
  
  Rule for 25 years 1975-1991 is only 16 years. DO u mean to say IR is ruling now?
  
  Now lets see u have listed something as set backs and actually listed his +ves
  
  2. Late composition.
  have u ever heard of the term less quantity of more quality. I think this is 1 big lesson he learnt from IR. He doesnt do "also ran" albums for the sake of #'s
  
  //" Dependency :
  He wants the director to be skilled to extract the good in him. It is clear that He can give hits only to big directors"//
  
  Is'nt it good that only talented people deserve talented stuff. If ARR did music to stupid people like IR did to Mike Mohan and Ramarajan where wud ARR be now.
  
  //"Giving preference only to directors.
  I cant give clear explanation as I dont know the facts. "//
  
  what do u mean! is this a crime! either u r not cine savvy or u r just desparate to critisize ARR.
  
  being techj mided and giving more to behind scenes work than on screen stars is what separated TFM from HFM so plz dodnt critisize a good attribute
  
  
  "As the albulms come with delay,It takes time for people to decide his downfall. "
  
  it is almost as if u have already decided that ARR will have his down fall...
  
  
  //"I am 100 % sure that If ARR could give albulms
  fast, He would have been decided by now. "//
  
  
  do u mean he shld go the IR way...
  
  wait for some more time there is an idiot called "swamiji" doing the rounds he will bless u soon
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Jun 15 16:48:54 EDT 2001
  
  "have u ever heard of the term less quantity of more quality. I think this is 1 big lesson he learnt from IR. He doesnt do "also ran" albums for the sake of #'s "
  
  Does time taken directly proportional to quality ?
  
  "If ARR did music to stupid people like IR did to Mike Mohan and Ramarajan where wud ARR be now."
  
  Can you clarify this a bit more ? Personally, I think Mohan and rAmarAjan movies had very good songs.
  
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Jun 15 17:20:38 EDT 2001
  
  yes! I also agree that Mohan and amarajan movies had songs... my only worry was that effort cud have been directed to some movie that was good. especially i heard that BM's movie "veedu" came out with any music and then the BGM was added. well maybe thats not the best example.. the fact is if IR had spaced himself he wud not have given some ordinary movies that do not reflect his standard.
  
  
  //"Does time taken directly proportional to quality ? "//
  
  as far as putting effort is concerned.. or practicing is concerned dont u think this holds good for all universal fields.
  
  
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.224.65.186) on: Fri Jun 15 18:02:00 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath:
  //"Does time taken directly proportional to quality ? "//
  Converse is not true. IR finishing the albums/BGM quicker than other MD's does not mean that the quality was not good.
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Jun 15 18:18:09 EDT 2001
  
  I again agree with u UVII but as an IR fan wud u with objective analysis say that % wise IR has given more % hits than ARR
  
  I think among his 1000 movies IR has given 350-400 hits. But ARR in 80 movies wud have given 65-70 hits.
  
  # wise IR maybe 7-8 times more than ARR but I just think those r 2 ways IR chose this way and ARR went against the tide by going his way....
  
  sustenance is the key and although IR and ARR seem to be the people to find inner peace within themselves, ARR seems to be more capable of saying NO than IR
  
  
• From: Deepak (@ 146.235.4.8) on: Fri Jun 15 19:14:03 EDT 2001
  
  "If ARR did music to stupid people like IR did to Mike Mohan and Ramarajan where wud ARR be now."
  
  Bharath, I can never never never agree with this. Conversely I feel ARR should take up more such projects which have no other market value other than his music. It would be a very good oppurtinuty to show the public what he can do with his music (to the movie, not cassette sales). It's good that he is taking up projects like Yelelo etc...
  
  Do you think that IR was wrong when he took up projects with Mohan and Ramarajan?? In more than one movie, he as shown what good music alone can do to the movie. In your very quote "mike mohan", I would dare say he got this nick name due to Ilayaraja. Doing such movies would encourage many talented people in the industry.
  
  And moreover, I personally feel, a music director must not sit on the pedestal of a judge and say "this actor is stupid" or "this movie is not worthy enough to score music for" and so on.
  
  "as far as putting effort is concerned.. or practicing is concerned dont u think this holds good for all universal fields. "
  
  It might be true for other fields - but even as a layman I feel music is different. I feel music is a spontaneous phenomenon. And IR has a gift for this spontaneity.
  
  
  
• From: Normal Man (@ 210.84.147.89) on: Fri Jun 15 21:00:44 EDT 2001
  
  I think among his 1000 movies IR has given 350-400 hits. But ARR in 80 movies wud have given 65-70 hits.
  
  Totally absurd allegation and neither you can give numbers nor I can refute it. Bottom line, ARR is the most sought after, most paid, most galamorous for producer sake and so on. No doubts and no refutes. But the bottom line is, even though it does nothing to IR, he is a miles ahead genuis in terms of musical knowledge. Again an another thought which comes to mind is, Beethovan, Bach are remembered even after 400 odd years. Its an attribute to the genuis lot.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 64.172.24.67) on: Fri Jun 15 21:38:32 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath, you should discuss with Deepak. He has expressed himself very well. You are new and I have been here for quite some time. Whatever you bring up have all been discussed before. So I am in no mood to say any more, (also considering that you are also so confident and convinced about your opinions :) ). I suggest that you read through the archives. (eg. 'ARR song making style' and others and many threads on IR ).
  
  
• From: Athi (@ 24.182.219.105) on: Fri Jun 15 22:20:29 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  
  The strength of ARR that you are portraying here (very choosy about movies and directors) can itself be looked at as his weakness (his lack of belief in himself in carrying a movie based on its music unlike IR who had made so many Mike Mohan (your own language)and Ramarajan movies get noticed with his music and so many of them became hits just because of his music). Without a big director, ARR will not feel comfortable scoring music for a movie which is not the right attitude since films are all about newcomers trying to prove themselves.
  
  And your other theory about the time taken proportional to the quality has absolutely no basis with regard to music. It depends on
  whether the person is a genius or not (to
  compose music quickly).
  
  Athi
  
  
• From: RC (@ 64.12.105.177) on: Fri Jun 15 23:18:38 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  
  You nit-picked when Jalak claimed that IR ruled for 25 years. But where did you get the number 1000 (no. of movies scored by IR)? Recently released Usirae (kannada) is IR's 800th movie.
  Get your numbers right man!
  
  
• From: Athi (@ 24.182.219.105) on: Fri Jun 15 23:54:13 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath,
  
  I just was disagreeing with some of what you wrote and trying to explain why I am differing.
  
  I hope you read it that way.
  
  Athi
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.232) on: Sat Jun 16 00:56:56 EDT 2001
  
  IR's hits (good and not so good but hits) will easily cross 1000!
  
  
• From: e (@ 210.214.5.232) on: Sat Jun 16 00:58:01 EDT 2001
  
  Another thing, can anyone list the 80 TFM movies of ARR?
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sat Jun 16 04:42:08 EDT 2001
  
  Lineup for the BAsh :
  
  Jalak, Kiru, Deepak, Athi, Normal Man, RC, Eden
  
  
  The other side :
  
  Bharath
  
  
  Can you do an Indian commercial film style stunt here...1 man beats 7 ?! :)
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 64.172.24.67) on: Sat Jun 16 19:42:17 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician..why do you want to get me into the fray !! nAn thAn othungikkik kondEne..ithu vellAm bore adiththuvittathappA..:)
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Sun Jun 17 04:57:34 EDT 2001
  
  Oru alpa aasai thaan ! :)
  
  
• From: siva@HOTMAIL.COM (@ 203.126.228.21) on: Mon Jun 18 05:02:26 EDT 2001
  
  ARR never be fall down. People fall down who will rival with him.
  
  Great ARR always my great MD forever.
  
  
• From: geetanjali (@ 210.88.56.56) on: Mon Jun 18 05:12:05 EDT 2001
  
  Cool down yaar, IR in 80s r in the same ethu.
  It is the time which will decide any thing.
  
  

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